'A Different Understanding With the President'


First in a four part profile.

By Barton Gellman and Jo Becker | Sunday, June 24, 2007


Washington Post - Just past the Oval Office, in the private dining room overlooking the South Lawn, Vice President Cheney joined President Bush at a round parquet table they shared once a week. Cheney brought a four-page text, written in strict secrecy by his lawyer. He carried it back out with him after lunch.

In less than an hour, the document traversed a West Wing circuit that gave its words the power of command. It changed hands four times, according to witnesses, with emphatic instructions to bypass staff review. When it returned to the Oval Office, in a blue portfolio embossed with the presidential seal, Bush pulled a felt-tip pen from his pocket and signed without sitting down. Almost no one else had seen the text.

Cheney's proposal had become a military order from the commander in chief. Foreign terrorism suspects held by the United States were stripped of access to any court -- civilian or military, domestic or foreign. They could be confined indefinitely without charges and would be tried, if at all, in closed "military commissions."


ww June 24, 2007 - 9:40am

...Carnegie, with the guy that was the convening authority for the military commissions can be found here. A good deal of interesting stuff can be found, much of it quite critical.

"Integrity does not mean rigidity, let alone singlemindedness; and conscience, every so often, involves an inner struggle within oneself. ~ John Lukacs

JustPlainDave June 24, 2007 - 10:47am

I've become a podcast addict. :P

My nano has maybe two albums worth of music in it, but several hours comprised of interviews, reports, and audiobooks. (Ironically, I make my living in the music biz. lol)

ww June 24, 2007 - 12:04pm

...like 141 as yet unlistened to podcasts. It's work to keep up, I tell ya. That said, the content's pretty good. Very interesting to listen to wonks at play at Carnegie, CFR, etc.

A couple interesting sources that I've run across:

World Affairs Council of Northern California

University Channel (a pretty good clearinghouse that has more content and a bit time depth where it duplicates itunes channels)

"Integrity does not mean rigidity, let alone singlemindedness; and conscience, every so often, involves an inner struggle within oneself. ~ John Lukacs

JustPlainDave June 25, 2007 - 9:31am

but did have to get up a couple of times and attend to other things. It's now clear to me that POW status belongs to countries that signed the Geneva Conventions and that members of state's armies do get POW status and why it is Al Quaeda is not entitled to that status. Al Quaeda are not parts of states and as such could not possibly sign agreements. But perhaps what I missed was that terrorists are just criminals that kill people. So why aren't members of Al Quaeda tried in American criminal courts and forget about the military tribunals who really have no jurisdiction over them?

People who do not wear uniforms and are not members of state's armies are treated as illegal combatants and therefore are not granted POW status. From what I gathered from listening, military tribunals would have no jurisdiction for illegals either.

Sorry if the General talked about that aspect of Al Quaeda. As I recall members of Ireland's IRA (bombers) were tried in England's criminal courts. And members of Al Quaeda in England are being prosecuted in their criminal courts. Members of the IRA could be classified as either being terrorists or as illegal combatants.

The other thing that intrigued me was the General mentioned that Afghanistan is a signatory to the Conventions, but yet the United States withholds POW status to members of the Taliban army (which is the official army of Afghanistan). There are some very blurry legal lines in the United States.

canuck July 16, 2007 - 5:19pm

No guts to throw President Cheney out of office,and into jail, at the least take his money away.

"Following Vice President Dick Cheney's assertion that his office is not a part of the executive branch of the US government, Democratic Caucus Chairman Rep. Rahm Emanuel (D-IL) plans to introduce an amendment to the the Financial Services and General Government Appropriations bill to cut funding for Cheney's office."

If there is a betting parlor in Vegas taking bets that Congress will actually cut the V.P. Office of funding, the odds would probably be 1000 to 1 that Congress would actually defund. I hate to bet a dollar on a sure loss that Congress will stand up and do it's job.
All joking aside, this is the one way that Congress can begin repudiation of the Bush grab for unlimited power that is taking the U.S. down a disastrous path of no return from bankruptcy and corrupt dictatorship.

Cheney would in all probability threaten that if his office is defunded to abolish Congress with a Presidential Order.

"The president's job is to think not only about today, but tomorrow"
george bush delivers deep insights in a speach given on
April 19, 2007
Tipp City High School
Tipp City, Ohio

Peter C June 24, 2007 - 11:04am

Does anyone else think its an interesting coincidence that Cheney's office stopped cooperating with the EO in 2003, around the time the Plame investigation got underway?

"If I should ever die, God forbid, let this be my epitaph:
The only proof he needed for the existence of God was music."
-Kurt Vonnegut, A Man Without A Country

jumpinin June 27, 2007 - 1:10pm

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