The Omni-Present "Other"


In an article questioning how solid the evidence of Iranian complicity on the deaths of American soldiers in Iraq we find this wonderful photo:

Pretend for a moment you're Jane Q. Public. What does this photo say to you?

Of course you're first drawn to the blood. The blood is ever present in the photo, which implies a kind of cult-like religious celebration. What's the subtext here? That we're better than them? Perhaps it's that we're more secular? Or maybe it's that we're more rational and therefore more developed and evolved not just politically but morally.

Then take a listen to the sermons of John Hagee, who is the pastor of the largest church in San Antonio. Sure, the blood is gone. We did away with self-flagellation a couple of hundred years ago, but still. Or have we found other ways to celebrate blood?

Are we that different?


Sean Paul Kelley February 4, 2007 - 3:17pm

Pretend for a moment you're Jane Q. Public. What does this photo say to you?

Over the top nuts!

Hagee: We believe all men are born with a sinful nature and that the work of the Cross was to redeem man from the power of sin. We believe that this salvation is available to all who will receive it.

Over the top fucking nuts! Hagee advocates hates and belief in some mythic book. He somehow forgets that allegedly with 'the sacrifice of Christ' "the church" was no longer an old Testament but now has a new Covenant with G*d.

ecophem February 4, 2007 - 6:39pm

There are many groups in the West who practice blood rituals. Some of these we know about, and they pass under our radar. The Muslim ritual above is shocking to Westerners because the ritual is massively public, involves weapons and includes all males, even infants.

It is certainly less likely to be fatal than the rituals that some Christians practice when they have themselves crucified on a cross in emulation of Jesus of Nazareth. It is less barbaric than having a Moyl cut off a foreskin, who in some sects then blesses and staunches the wound by application of his mouth. Recently, there was a furor in NY over a Moyl who transmitted a nasty strain of oral herpes to a number of infants that he circumcised. Some of the boys died as a result because newborns have little defense against herpes. Public Health and law enforcement became involved because the Moyl refused to stop practicing. In addition to the depraved indifference to life, in some cultures this would be seen as sexual child molestation.

There are many Christian sects that carry out extreme penances of one type or another. Self-flagellation has not been done away with a couple of hundred years ago, it is unfortunately alive and all too well. The numbers are not small, they are just hidden in our society and usually not publicized. People strap cacti to their bodies and run across the dessert. Others literally use horsehair shirts. Opus dei members sometimes use a cilice, a cutting chain strapped to the thigh. This bloody ritual is sometimes practiced year round, except for certain holy days. Which should be more shocking, a blood rite done once a year involving minor, though bloody, cuts to the head, or the chronic destruction of a section of the bodies largest organ system?

Propagandists can always take a ritual that one group practices, and use it to shock thereby degrading, dehumanizing and brutalizing another culture. We must remember that some people are shocked by the ritual symbolic cannibalism of Christian Communion.

The degree of antipathy to rituals, excluding the murderous, is often at its highest when the religious beliefs are not very far separated. Jews, Muslims and Christians are very closely related in their religious practices and belief systems. After all, each claims to be a child of Abraham. It never fails to surprise how much hatred and vehemence is caused by an ever so slightly different ritual. And how gleefully the children of Abraham go about violating one of their god's most important commandments, as they slaughter each other for such differences.

m February 4, 2007 - 6:47pm

have you forgotten a very important ritual, the Christian sacrament? Wine represents the blood of Christ and the wafer is his body. First one has to make sure they are pure by not soiling themselves with food before taking communion.

The Roman Catholic and the Anglican, High Church of England churches, take communion another step, by having confession before being contrite enough to participate in the communion service. Monks have been beating themselves for decades. Nothing new about people that flagellate themselves. Laying prostrate on the floor with arms spread out to the side is still practiced.

North American children often cut themselves and join fingers with a good friend. That act pledges their friendship to each other.

canuck February 4, 2007 - 8:06pm

I believe it was Oscar Wilde who said "of all the perversions, perhaps the most bizarre is celibacy".

Escher Sketch February 4, 2007 - 8:12pm

their attitudes to it, and those of the men in their culture,and it may be ritualized as unclean, if we want to get down to real basics.


"at some point I'm hopeful I'll figure out something to put here"

nymole February 5, 2007 - 1:04am

menstruation as fundamentally unclean. Strange if you ask me. It's natural. Cycle of life. We really can be weird, we humans, yeah?

"There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all argument, and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance. This principle is, contempt prior to examination."

Sean Paul Kelley February 5, 2007 - 1:35am

Ayurveda, (the ancient Indian medical system)views the menstrual cycle as a special benefit that Nature has provided for women to purify their bodies (it detoxifies the blood) and minds on a monthly basis. Healthy menstruation regularizes a woman's many flows and rhythms. The culture (I forget which one - the Australian Aboriginal?) that temporarily send a menstruating woman to a private hut, had it right. Rest and relaxation far from the maddening crowd - what a luxury!

adrena February 5, 2007 - 10:16am

The concept of uncleanliness during menstruation is not limited to America and the West.

m February 5, 2007 - 10:22am

because it can be embarrassing, painful, relief or disappointment-bringing.....


"at some point I'm hopeful I'll figure out something to put here"

nymole February 5, 2007 - 2:23pm

No, I believe that I covered it when I said

"We must remember that some people are shocked by the ritual symbolic cannibalism of Christian Communion."

m February 5, 2007 - 10:07am

Opus dei members sometimes use a cilice, a cutting chain strapped to the thigh. This bloody ritual is sometimes practiced year round, except for certain holy days.

ecophem February 4, 2007 - 9:42pm

Obus Dei. The article mentions there is speculation that US Justice, Scalia, has connections with this group. Quote from the link, "Scalia's son is an Opus Dei priest."

canuck February 5, 2007 - 12:54am

I was messin' with m. Just saw 'DaVinci Code' last week.

I ran across this a bit ago looking for something else. The Opus Dei Awareness Network: http://www.odan.org/index.htm

ecophem February 5, 2007 - 3:26am

The use of the cilice is, and has been, relatively well known.

A sizable proportion of Opus Dei members, under the guidance of a spiritual director, voluntarily take up the practice of corporal mortification, wearing the cilice for two hours most days and using the discipline. (Both items are produced in monasteries.) Father William Stetson, who runs the Catholic Information Center, in Washington, D.C., and who joined Opus Dei in the mid-nineteen-fifties, when he was at Harvard Law School, says that he learned the larger meaning of corporal mortification the first week he joined. “I understood that what was being demanded of me was an ascetical practice,” he says. “Not just the cilice and the disciplines but an austerity of life, living in the middle of the world.” Stetson and others frequently point out that corporal mortification, which may seem a throwback to medieval mysticism, was not uncommon even among recent exemplars of spiritual piety. Mother Teresa of Calcutta wore a cilice and used the discipline, telling her Sisters, ‘‘If I am sick, I take five strokes. I must feel its need in order to share in the Passion of Christ and the sufferings of our poor.
Peter Boyer, New Yorker”

m February 5, 2007 - 10:17am

is not limited to the US and that's exactly what this is

Jesus wasn't a Christian.

Don February 5, 2007 - 9:43am

Friend or Foe? Identifying Iranian operatives among Shiite pilgrims is difficult for the United States Probably no different than finding Christian operatives among 'the followers.' And, is there in any significance to the fundamentalist capital of Colorado Springs in relation to the location of NORAD? Hmm?

Terry Gross interviewed Hagee on her show last fall, prior to the elections.

ecophem February 5, 2007 - 12:39pm

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