An earlier Diary on DKos mentioned that C-SPAN-2 will repeat the program at 8 pm tonight. I'm assuming that itis EDT but can't confirm. Sorry I can't post a link. The referenced Diary has scrolled away.

an iraqi government is beginning to take shape and this is the chazurai on front page?

"noise is what makes our observations imperfect."

-fisher black

Truth is the basis of journalism or retractions and the following of devoted readers and listeners would not be in evidence. Lying or misrepresenting the facts has reprocussions. Bill Clinton faced an impeachment for lying. Henry Cisneros resigned for lying, but still has my respect. If you voice an opinion contrary to you own well being or against your nature, either you're lying or being paid to express that perspective. We call that behaviour prostitution. Reflecting, I do believe every individual deserves personal privacy in their lives and affairs, but by placing your life history open to review and seeking to interact with others in a public forum rescinds the restrictions of personal privacy. I live with the iron in the fire and face the consequences frequently, sometimes painfully. Truth is so much easier to deal with in the long run than keeping track of which lie you told and who you told it to, I cannot personally see being in that situation. When access to the White House in ant way is involved, full scrutiny should come into play. When I'm stopped for a traffic check, the radio comes back with my life history, including things that shouldn't be listed, even charges which were droppede for which I never had a court appearance. (it occurred recently). This is a mahjor scandal in my opinion and seeking to play it down in any way is a bad course of action. I think there are more details in the case of Valerie Plume which will come to light with further investigation. Revealing the names of covert agents is treason, no doubt about it. Treason is a serious crime and carries the death penalty. I don't think a blow job in the Oval Office or buying a house for your mistress compare. I don't think credentials are required to be called a journalist, just a tendency to tell the truth as you see it.

and I still think the Hendrik Hertzberg's comment was best, i.e. Nothinggate

http://agonist.org/comments/2005/2/17/1093/26842/83#83

What you have here is the story of a power struggle of one group of navel gazers finally getting attention from another group of navel gazers that the first group often liked to blame for navel gazing instead of covering issues of import. So now we have more balance in the navel gazing seminars. And this is all sub-context, yet! The originating story is about coverage from an office, the White House press office, that has always been acknowledged as simply a P.R. mouthpiece for the president and his administration for decades. Winning nothing from nothing, except maybe more polarization over nothing that matters.

Tis the ultimate in The media is the message.

I don't know about anyone else, but I have always been interested in media gossip/news only because it helps me decode what I use for real info.

OK, I give. I think the campaign managed to accomplish one thing, you helped the NPC refine some credibility issues with its membership, as per the Editor & Publisher link you provided:

Almost immediately after the panel was scheduled, opposition to Gannon's appearance at the highly respected journalism center started. Critics from both mainstream and online news outlets contended that he should not appear before the club on a journalism panel, since his credentials in that field were weak and he had also apparently worked as a male escort. They claimed his appearance only boosted his credibility and hurt the club's.

My guess the message they got was: stay away from the blogging thing entirely in the future; as bloggers are not our members.

the panel discussion and it was thought provoking to me to the extent that the issue is what constitutes a journalist is very interesting.  Some of the discussion about the humble origins of journalism and the contrast with other professions was especially so. I think the Constitution may play a role in this. There is no Constitutional protection, luckily, on the nearly absolute freedom to practice medicine or law so there are legal standards imposed upon those who so desire to engage in these endeavors.

The freedom of the press and religion are strictly safeguarded and so just about anyone can work in these fields without the government imposing absolute standards. Of course, there are some standards but they are not nearly as strict.  This is especially true with journos.

In traditional journalism, the news sources themselves imposed the standards on their employees. And even though the are many routes other than journalism school to positions with major news sources, when you're in you've got the cred. With blogging, the rules go out the window because bloggers are not beholden to a newspaper or other media outlet to allow them to air their views.

As was pointed out, access to places like the White House press room are limited, and some rational basis needs to exist to determine who gets in and who doesn't.  I think Ana Marie Cox' comment about hundreds of naked bloggers showing up seeking admission was on point in framing the question.  Obviously, Jeff Gannon was a plant.  What about the others?  The panel shied away from the question about where the future lies on these issues.  It's an interesting discussion and the reason they didn't want to address it is probably because no one has a clue.

Beyond that, the panelists were extremely bad at subject/verb agreement.          

The rerun is mentioned and it is EDT.

every goddamn day of the year , flambee. I don't see the point of making more noise on something you consider noise anyway ...

Having friends in the industrial music industry, I can tell you someone's noise is someone's else symphony.

the great thing about The Agonist is that it is community driven. If you don't like something you get to a.) chime in b.) post something else in the newsqueue that might get elevated to the FP, or c.) post something else in the diaries that just might get elevated to the FP.

It's kind of cool that way.

I dunno how great it is. There is also the problem of ear plugs...I prefer the visual metaphor: myopia, excessive focus on one topic, no perspective. :-)

... that the contamination and co-opting of American news sources calls into question the very facts and issues one thinks one is talking about - making it a "meta-issue".

Visual images are great; the elephant in the living room is a good one - or the way something like 9/11 acts like a bright light shined into one's eyes at night, leaving a blind spot in the center of one's vision (although in that metaphor one is in fact conscious of having a blind spot) - potent and valuable metaphors.

Personally, I'd think that fake reporters and fake news would be of paramount and crucial concern to a news collation and analysis site (how many more clever phonies haven't been caught yet? how much of what you think you know is false? has one, for example, multi-sourced from credible sources that may not even be aware that they themselves have been fed false data? how do government departments tasked to perform info ops against friendly media justify their existence if in fact they don't do anything, and why is there so little speculation here about their activities despite the virtual certainty that their work has been cited here?) because unchecked it would make the very existence of this site a farce - but that could just be me.

I know you and I disagree vehemently on this one. But, it's one of 19 posts. I worked my tail off to provide The Agonist with the Chinese Currency bill news, and also the MEK news. Have you commented there?

I didn't think so.

The NPC thing is not myopia. It's one of many, many posts on the site right now. There is nothing excessive about it.

my apologies for my typing errors.

he call this story,

"six lefties in search of a scandal"

trying to wish one away.

April 4, 2005

WHITE HOUSE LETTER

How Run-Down Is the Briefing Room? Let's Start With the Mice

By ELISABETH BUMILLER

Stephen Crowley/The New York Times

Clockwise from top left: a quiet briefing room; worn chairs; cubicles

where the correspondents plug in; lights that signal an active press

office.

President Bush concluded a recent news conference in a White House press briefing room so sweltering that his secret transmitter, if it ever existed, would have been setting off sparks.

"Listen, whoever thought about modernizing this room deserves a lot of credit," Mr. Bush said. "Like, there's very little oxygen in here anymore. And so, for the sake of a healthy press corps and a healthy president, I'm going to end the press conference."

And with that, he vanished, leaving behind overheated reporters to fan themselves in their squalor.

The White House press room has never been as spiffy as it appears on television, but lately its two floors have approached rattrap standards....

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/04/04/politics/04letter.html

escort in early 90's.  in dc no less.  they used to call me

'adams organ'

and they all loved me too, baker, mosbacher, dick cheney...

thornburgh used to call me at three in the morning drunk on ripple and beg me to come clamp his nipples while mocking his comb over...  

he was funny that way...

any different from this?

The New Yorker

Talk of The Town

INK

TAB WAR

by Ben McGrath

Issue of 2005-04-11

Posted 2005-04-04

...The Post had been baiting the News for a week, ever since the News printed the wrong winning number in its popular Scratch n' Match game, then blamed an independent contractor on Long Island. Post editors ordered an all-points assault, marshalling at least twenty reporters and columnists in the cause of exposing their counterparts as "scamsters," "goobers," and "pinheads." The time-honored tradition of bestowing derogatory nicknames on rival executives (see Fred "Duckslayer" Drasner) was restored: the Cookie Monster, for the News' editor-in-chief, Michael Cooke; the Dunce, for its editorial director, Martin Dunn. Andrea Peyser, whose byline is mysteriously accompanied by the words "Columnist of the Year," filed two righteous missives, and Keith J. Kelly, the media columnist, mocked the publisher, Mort Zuckerman, for being out of town, sailing in the Galápagos Islands, as the ship was sinking back home. Even the cartoonist Sean Delonas weighed in,....

http://www.newyorker.com/talk/content/articles/050411ta_talk_mcgrath

Of course, MICE is the FBI acronym for why people betray their country.

Money, ideology, compromise, ego.

Quite a mouthful.

this, cough, story not even pimple on rove's butt...

Here's another one:

Of the two papers, which are you inferring is left, and which right?

EOM.

No, it can't be. Either way. Speculation is just that.  But I agree that it would be good to devote more time to just hunting contradictions and examining them for design.

Even so, our skeptical pose itself illustrates an awareness.  At risk of being viewed as conspiracy wacko's and marginalizing one's own cred, a certain pragmatism has to be employed.  This isn't compromise, it keeping ones head on straight.  

Hardly a damn thing I take at face value.  But knowing your info is incomplete and reconstructing the ruse are two different things, and miles apart in the resources, time and the energy it takes to outline.  

There are one helluva lot of very intelligent people looking for exactly what you infer; the proverbial smoking gun that exposes a faulty and contrived perception.  More now than ever before in the history of the world, I would guess.  Still, few schemes are revealed. When they are, %90 don't care, and %9 resent it, to mangle a familiar truism.  

Read about Judith Miller at the UN, for a case in point.

Or, if that doesn't satisfy, one can feast on this case of extreme avoidance.

Pick your favorite color and sketch something for us Escher. I'd love to read it, and I'm sure it would be good too.

deflection<run> :)

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i greatly appreciate the work you do here.  and i heartily agree with some of what you say to arta.  the currency bill among many many others posted by yourself and others is simply amazing work.  aside from the fascinating bunch of people and their provocative ideas, is why i come here!  this site is awesome and perhaps i do not point it out enough although i do try to make comments to that effect when i am blown away by some of the stories and threads laid out and that bring me up to date contextually and communicate a breadth and depth of information i would have never been able to pull together.

my issue as you guys have intimitaed is really an editiorial one.  is my belief that it would be better to continue with the important stuff and allocate stories such as this one to the media criticism section and allow those who have an interest go there...  clearly where we disagree relates to what is 'important.'

i recognize that the more intricate and profound a blog becomes the more complex and difficult the evolution or self-defining is and this it is a process that occurs over time.  

i am simply adding one opinion to that course...  

The New York Post is a Murdoch paper and the Daily News is considered the "Democrats" paper,

and on all of this I have simply bascially agreed with with what I inferred from Nick's comments here:

http://agonist.org/comments/2005/3/28/135915/053/18#18

And furthermore in that vein, I think if one was going to push the NPC for a serious panel on blogging, one would not ask for it with a coalition of any and all liberal/progressive bloggers to further push the left v. right media monster, but instead do it with a small coalition of serious bloggers with ideas about some kind of standards within their own "club". Otherwise, it's really just pot kettle black.

And BTW, I did hold off on commentlng publicly on the initial threads.

the probelm is: this is what we were faced with and we chose to fight. Again, we're just beating a dead horse here and neither of us will change our minds about it, but sometimes I feel compelled to stand up and take action. And I and almost 100 other bloggers agreed. That means something in my book. It was a fight worth making.

I will take them to heart. The editorial decision aren't easy to make and I tell you, I have a lot more sympathy these days for real live MSM editors than I did before. Doing the news is like herding cats. Thanks for the good words and your participation!