Rule Of Law?


Digby's most recent and excellent post reminds me of this exchange in "A Man For All Seasons" (one of the greatest movies ever--if not the best):

More: There is no law against that.

Roper: There is! God's law!

More: Then God can arrest him.

Roper: Sophistication upon sophistication.

More: No, sheer simplicity. The law, Roper, the law. I know what's legal not what's right. And I'll stick to what's legal.

More after the jump

Roper: Then you set man's law above God's!

More: No, far below; but let me draw your attention to a fact - I'm not God. The currents and eddies of right and wrong, which you find such plain sailing, I can't navigate. I'm no voyager. But in the thickets of the law, oh, there I'm a forrester. I doubt if there's a man alive who could follow me there, thank God....

Alice: While you talk, he's gone!

More: And go he should, if he was the Devil himself, until he broke the law!

Roper: So now you'd give the Devil benefit of law!

More: Yes. What would you do? Cut a great road through the law to get after the Devil?

Roper: I'd cut down every law in England to do that!

More: Oh? And when the last law was down, and the Devil turned round on you - where would you hide, Roper, the laws all being flat? This country's planted thick with laws from coast to coast - man's laws, not God's - and if you cut them down - and you're just the man to do it - d'you really think you could stand upright in the winds that would blow then? Yes, I'd give the Devil benefit of law, for my own safety's sake.

Are we still a nation of laws or have we become a people who worship power?


Sean-Paul Kelley October 14, 2005 - 1:21pm

When these men of a contemptuous nature are long gone, dead a buried, not one word of the law will be erased.

The big dog is about to get off of the porch.

History will not be kind to the current administration or its apologists.

Don October 14, 2005 - 2:53pm

Infatuation with power seems to be cyclical. And I genuinely believe we are close to the end of our current national misjudgement.

Doug Richardson October 14, 2005 - 10:53pm

I remember reading that play in old apartheid era South Africa and thinking of the thickets of law that heartily deserved cutting down and were immoral for me to obey.

My choice then was obey the ethically neutral, refuse to uphold the bad, and ignore (unless a cop was actually looking at the time) evil laws.

However, the more I find out about what was actually happening in those times, the less satisfied I am with what and how I personally reacted.

I'm older now, I know a lot more about how things work now, and I think Thomas More would have been a typical white english South African whose inaction  condoned and encouraged so much evil.

ie. I don't think Thomas More was a Saint of ethical behaviour, he was merely yet another Sheep, the like of which is so beloved of those who seek power.

The playwright sets up Roper as the alternative to More. But the space of alternatives is far larger. Ghandi is a prime example of an activist alternative.

John Carter October 17, 2005 - 3:26pm

... at a global American company.  Two of our managers are ex marines colonels and clearly Republican.  The husband of one of my colleagues is a marine captain stationed close to Faludja (she has a 1 year old daughter).

Our admin/business analyst from Oklahoma I always filled under the category of blindly following Republican ever since she proudly announced the arrival of one of her grand-sons in an email as: "Here's another one for the marine corps!"

The other night at an informal get-together after we had our yearly internal team meeting she surprised me by turning to me and inquiring how Germany managed after WW2 to be that well liked in the world because America clearly was not.  She also felt free to make a disparaging remark about Bush.  Mind you, this was not an overtly private conversation, several of my colleagues including the deployed marine's wife participated in it.

This re-emphasized two things for me: Never underestimate red-state Americans.  Never give up the hope in your fellow citizens.  After all most people are not suicidal and want to be liked.  Once they realize how America's foreign policy is clearly at odds with that it will matter.

At this point I believe the tide is truly turning.

quax October 14, 2005 - 4:11pm

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