The Fed? Don't make me laugh so hard when drinking my coffee


Brad DeLong has been out of Washington too long. This isn't necessarily a bad thing, though honestly I would much rather have Dr. DeLong on the FOMC than all of the members whose last names end with "B". Part of the reason is his statement "The principal organization for successful stabilization policy is the Federal Reserve." Would that this were how Greenspan and Bernanke viewed it. Instead of as a prop for particular fiscal policy goals - upper income tax reductions and wars in Iraq - while thwarting others.

But there are several things to scratch heads over in the post.

The case for fiscal stimulus being better than monetary stimulus is, in fact, fairly strong at this point, precisely because monetary policy ,while it hasn't "shot its bolt" - wad is correct here, since that's what cash comes in, wads - it is already at the point of creating more inflationary pressure through devaluation and through lack of moral hazards than it will do good. At least, that is what oil in the 90-100 dollar a barrel region, with the dollar at historical lows should tell people. A weak dollar is the way that the world economy tells us they don't want our dollars.

Moreover, given the absolute carnage in the housing industry, it is not clear that borrowers will go back to building, but instead may well use lower rates merely for refinancing. This will bail out casino developers in Las Vegas who have defaulted on three quarters of a billion dollar loans, but will be unlikely to put anyone to work. Even with monetary stimulus, it would take more than a year for fed stimulus to work. And then there is that nagging inflation problem, which lower rates would make worse. Even if it worked it is an industry that puts further upwards pressure on materials costs for the amount of economic activity.

Thus Federal Reserve stabilization fails the very measures of timely, effective and targeted. It helps those borrowing money, and as we've seen this is the home building industry.

The other thing that Dr. DeLong seems to have forgotten is that if it came from trees, then Congress can hang ornaments on it. Nothing could have been cleaner than the bill to remove subsidies in compliance with a WTO ruling. It was, eventually, hung with more ornaments than any Christmas tree that has ever been displayed in public. No room for ornaments isn't possible, except if the executive branch uses some kind of discretionary authority to divert money. Again, the present reality puts this in the "fat chance" column.

It's also not clear that tax credits are timely, or at least as timely. Here is something that even Bush's economic team managed to get right, and that is decreasing the amount of withholding. Do this in combination with a tax credit, and instead of getting checks some months from now, the money arrives immediately, and can be accounted for later.

This would create pressure on Congress to pass a cleaner bill: the money has already gone out, and if the bill is not passed by April 15th, then there will be taxpayers owing money, and a President who is not running for anything ever again can push a Congress that is running all the time, to act quickly, and therefore at least minimize the time to lard up the bill that is sent.

It means that there will be junk on it, that the President will have to sign, rather than veto, but that is happening anyway with any stimulus bill. Moreover, because stimulus bills with tax credits are tax bills, and have that procedural quality to them, there is tremendous temptation to lard them up. If this is the only tax bill happening this year, then tax breaks will gravitate towards it.

It would be nice to point out that many people who are truly at the bottom will not see a tax credit, simply because they pay FICA and not Income Taxes, and do not qualify for the EITC.

Thus if the package were truly "anti-regressive" it might well deem that any tax credits can produce a negative tax burden, and therefore give a refund regardless of whether the taxpayer qualifies for it. And even better might be for the IRS to track down taxpayers who don't file, since many of these people either owe taxes or don't earn much, in order that these people actually get the check. If anti-regressive is the name of the game, then the Executive is within its powers to order the IRS to do a kind of reverse enforcement.

I'm not sure why DeLong says that Krugman gets it wrong here, Krugman said that Obama's plan was the most restrained and conservative. And it is, and that is precisely why DeLong likes it the best of the three plans: it is the most restrained and it would arrive at around the time that DeLong would be convinced by data that stimulus is needed. It's not clear that Krugman and DeLong are actually at odds over the facts: DeLong doesn't believe that stimulus is necessary now, though he could be persuaded later, he doesn't like fiscal stimulus, which means the most minimal of plans would be best in his viewpoint, and he's concerned that Congress would load up a more complex bill with more pork. Krugman is more liberal than DeLong, and it is not surprising that DeLong prefers the least liberal of the stimulus packages. That does not mean, a priori that he's wrong.

However, I believe that the current exchange rate to the dollar and the price of oil, as well as the structural narrowness of monetary stimulus, do strongly suggest that monetary policy is in a bind. That is, Bernanke lowering rates does as much damage as it does good, precisely because at this moment there is a maw of bad debt out there that will happily suck down any additional liquidity, and produce no stimulus, merely a field of golden parachutes. Thus if stimulus is to be applied, then fiscal policy is a better vehicle than monetary policy.

It seems that DeLong judges Obama's plan differently. All of these plans are acts of campaigning. Obama's plan is last, and it is the most conservative. That's why DeLong, who is not convinced of any need for stimulus yet, likes this plan the most: it arrives later and leaves more to the Fed, and less to Congress. It is also why Krugman, who was convinced of the need for more stimulus earliest, does not like Obama's plan, it arrives later and does less.

On the one hand, DeLong is right that the Fed should have been engaged in policy stabilization, but on the other hand, the time for that is long past; as soon as the Fed failed to act in a timely manner to the housing bubble, the dollar glut and the resources run up, it was inevitable that Monetary policy would reach a stagflationary bind: not much growth, but far too much inflation.

The larger question though is whether stimulus to "get us out of" this economic slowdown is, in fact desirable. That's not clear, it isn't at all clear that the US economy is shifting to an export stance, and that we simply need time to do that. Instead,it seems as if the economy is in the last clutching straws of a housing-health care-homeland security mania, and that buying more time for people who are trying to exit the bubble and run to the Cayman islands isn't really something that policy should be aimed at doing.

Instead of "stimulus" then, a better course would be to have a bill which is specifically "relief". To Republicans relief means tax relief, however, there are many kinds. Relief could be specifically, reducing withholding, with the tax credit to come later, extended UI benefits, increase in food stamps, increasing federal matches of various programs by say 5% - that would mean 1.05 of federal matching funds rather than $1 for specific programs - some debt relief, for example student loans, and suspension of interest on a variety of Federal loan programs.

Another step that Congress could take right now that would do some amount of good, would be to limit interest rates on credit cards and other consumer loans, and temporarily reduce the minimum payment on xredit cards, which was raised not long ago. This would put more money into people's pockets by the expedient of lowering their credit card bills. And people who have credit card bill problems, almost by definition, are people with a marginal propensity to spend. This would have the further advantage of neither being a spending bill, nor being a tax bill. Practically it won't happen, but then, practically a clean tax bill won't happen either.

If we are talking competencies, there are two problems: inflation/devaluation and recession. The fiscal authority, Congress in the US, has just about zero competence to deal with inflation at the present time. That has not always been the case, but it is the case right now.

Thus when faced with two problems that require different policies, the Fed should be sent to deal with inflation/devaluation by keeping rates higher, and that means that Congress needs to engage in stablization. It might be preferable to both remove the overworked piece nature of the Fed, and make Congress more responsible, but that isn't in the cards for the present time.

It should be underlined that recessions are not unmitigated unnecessary evils. They are evils, admittedly. However, a recession the way that the economy tells its participants that they are making bad trade-offs, and that some of the capital is mis-employed. They are the necessary price to pay for the inflationary boom period.

Governments might avoid most recessions if they were willing to both avoid inflationary booms and strong rebounds. But the evidence is that ordinary people make most of their real gains in income during the boom and the rebound, which would mean that ending recessions would also mean a further reduction in the ability of labor to make gains in wages and living standards.

In the last recession, failure to think what would happen afterwards was an essential part of how a borrow and squander binge was passed, and has remained in force despite being about the worst policy on the table - I believe Dr. DeLong's own apt phrase was that Bush's economic policy was from "Delta Quadrant" - a Star Trek reference.

The reason to focus on relief, rather than on stimulus, is that this coming recession can either be severe enough to produce a consensus for change in the economy, or slide through without killing inflationary and devaluationary pressures, assuring another, broader and deeper, recession later when those same pressures must be dealt with by even higher interest rates.

While, in the long run we are all dead, it is best not to take actions which make the long run arrive any shorter than is necessary.


Stirling Newberry January 17, 2008 - 7:49pm
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1) Some things should be in a stimulus bill, something shouldn't. KISS is a means to derive political support from the populace when prez tries to stop the ornamenting. Other things should go in other bills. Streamlined, things go faster.

2) None of the bills considered so far can be anything but relief at this point. So the only way to judge would be relief. The long lag times in creating and using funds is a valid demerit against Clinton's plan, less so against Edwards.

3) Of some of the aims that you have mentioned, especially the withholding part, well, Obama *does* this part the best, in multiple ways. One, an immediate SS tax rebate, an elderly subsidy, and the nonitemized housing deduction.

None of these plans are perfect. Clinton has that abominable rate freeze element, nobody does food stamps, and everybody does half-measures. It is simply not worth the sore typing fingers to protest how Obama's stimulus program is demostrably further right. Just because he favors using the tax code does not mean he's Reagan Redux. Just because it is conservative in one sense, does not mean conservative in the ideological sense.

shah8 January 17, 2008 - 8:57pm

1. KISS hasn't worked on transportation, ag, tax or stimulus bills in the last decade. There is no reason to believe it would start now. Specifically because small doses of across the board money are not enough to bail out the people who know they are in trouble. Targetting and uniformity of impact are inverse by definition. Political systems are meant to produce interest against interest.

2. None of the bills offered so far are genuine relief bills. Genuine relief would roll back the Bush revenue reductions and use this money for a much broader base set of fiscal props aimed at reducing regressivity. About the only good thing that can be said about the current batch of stimulus bills is that at least we are no longer talking about another blank check for Iraq. Which I suppose is a blessing.

3. Obama's plan does the least the latest. Which might not, in itself, be a bad thing. After all, in theory, no matter how generous your estimate of the multiplier effect is, 45, 90 or 100 billion dollars of stimulus will not stop a 13 trillion dollar economy from contracting. Fiscal levers of the scale that we are talking about will not stop the economy from going into recession if it is of a mind to do so.

Obama's plan is demonstrably further to the right. This doesn't in itself, mean that Obama is wrong. It is indeed conservative in the ideological sense because it does the least to provide a safety net to the people who are most adversely impacted by the down turn.

But this is where the difference between campaigning and governing becomes important. As a campaign proposal, which is how Krugman judged it, it is the most conservative. That is in the world of "if I were president" and in that abstract world it is a liability in the Democratic primaries to be the most conservative. As a "what should I propose in this congress with this president" it might well be better than proposing something broader which invites the Republicans to lard the bill with more of their demands. As one Senator out of 100, making a single modest demand might be best.

Which brings the hard point: had Obama wanted to introduce this measure as his practical measure, he could have done so, and then stated what he would have done as the executive by urging Bush to do X, Y and Z. This is an indicator, among many, that Obama's conservatism is not merely a campaign stance, but his fundamental governing belief. This is admittedly a Kabuki dance judgment, but I don't see Obama making tangible number and a date in the same sentence promises to progressives, while he is making specific overtures to the right.

I look at who the candidate has around him, and in the end, I don't see the progressive leading lights in Obama's inner core, but instead only in his campaign staff. This is a strong indicator that the progressives will be dumped by the door step when the gates to the White House open.

"Obama's stimulus program is demostrably further right. Just because he favors using the tax code does not mean he's Reagan Redux."

Strawman. So far your limited comments on this have been a virtual catalog of logical fallacies from behind anonymous cover. I am tired of both your attempts at character assassination, and the immensely fact free manner you have of promoting your favored candidate.

Stirling Newberry January 18, 2008 - 12:20am

Shah8 said over here:

I'm going with the white dude as a result, even though Edwards is not as progressive personally as either Clinton or Obama, and Edwards is the least substantial of the canidates, but I like his policy plank and he supports his policy plank in his speeches and debates.

And I don't think that's the first time. Personally, I'm an Edwards supporter too, but I've had it up to here with being called "Obamabot" for not being sufficiently anti-Obama. I have reasons for supporting him over Clinton (basically, I believe it would end a very, very long and ugly chapter in American history), and uninformed attacks do nothing to further the goal of the Agonist.

Gordon January 18, 2008 - 12:41am

I'm just sick of people in the liberalsphere trashing Obama for what I think are ephemeral reasons. Maybe I don't trust Obama, but that doesn't mean he isn't deserving of more respect than this. Sen. Clinton is way deeper in my dog house for her *actions* and not her words. I think actions, history of action, and actual stated intentions matter more than how they are *framed*. And might I add? I *hate* Lakoff with the passion of a thousand nuns.

You can trash me all you like. I'm a terrible advocate for what I think, but I *do* know what I think, and I *am* good at prediction of what will happen, at least to my own satisfaction. I am reasonably certain that I have a good idea of what's going on in the world, and nerdy enough to yak about it in various salons. I enjoy reading you, Sterling, and think you have plenty of interesting things to say, but even though I knew I was drumming on your thin skin, you have *got* to develope a thicker one!

As far as the substance of your comments went...

1) Look, just asked the guy you dismissed as being too detached from Washington about the Budget Reconciliation Act of 1993. He was around when Bill Clinton was using his mandates and all of his connections and the triangulation strategy to push it through, as is, despite the fact that it wasn't really what Congress wanted, either Democrats or Republicans. KISS was a major part of that struggle, and Clinton's mandate to deal with the economy helped alot. Maybe 1993 was more than a decade ago, but um...we've spent the better part of a decade under a malvolent moron president and an immoral legislative branch. Before that was impeachment and Clinton's lame duck stage.

2) We are agreed

3) And we are pretty hostile on this point. Obama is not the least the latest. Obama has the largest stimulus plan by the bucks. The majority of that stimulus plan would take only as long as it took to write the checks. The rest would come by May and June. Clinton and Edwards empowers serves as they come programs (ei, heating) that would have come out over the space of a few months, and for the heating oil subsidies, might only be partially used. Moreover, Obama is offering an actual philosophical change, in terms of reducing the regressivity of the SS system. That is not a small action thematically.

4) Obama isn't demostrably further to the right of the other plans. You and Ian have *never* truly shown it to be demostrably further right of the other plans. Where is there more money spent on the wealthy? Or giving rights away to the wealthier? Or empowering fewer people? I don't think you can say that *any* of the plans truly have differences in those basic elements aside from the rate freeze aspect of Clinton, which benefits the lender more than the homeowner. All of these plans just go about this processes diferently, and you have the burden of *showing* how those difference *matter*. You have *never* done that besides assertion! I keep saying what I've said above, that Obama's plan gets the most money to the working poor and middle class the soonest, and said why, and I think I was pretty clear on that, as well as Brad DeLong.

5) At the latter part of your response, I'm not sure what you are really saying, but it seems to be that you are making the equivalence of timidity with ideological conservatism. Which is just plain wierd, no matter how you slice that.

As far as your comments about not making statements to progressives, but making them for conservative, well, that we are agreed on, which is why I'm for Edwards. However, we have got to stop being so crazy about being right on a canidate. It is likely that the preferred choice of a large number of people will not be the nominee, and we have to be a heckuvalot cooler heads about trying to use the primary season as a series of self-teachable moments. Hyperbole does NOT help.

lastly, that wasn't a strawman, and I didn't make a catalog of logical fallacies, and if I *did* do so, then Brad Delong, who made a very similar set of criticism of Krugman's column, also made a catalog of logical fallacies.

I am not anonymous, and you can probably easily google my actual name, given my long-term association with my handle. I also do not wish to assasinate your character, I *like* your character, and do not wish to impeach what you say. Just because I said I think you're wrong doesn't mean I think you're wrong most of the time! I would be mad if it was someone I didn't know who made that assertion, but I'm well aware of how vicious you can be when you've got your back up, so I just let that go.

shah8 January 18, 2008 - 1:47am

but it looks a good deal like the Imus endorsement of Kerry from this view point.

No one has accused Obama of being Reagan Redux. No one. Yet you threw that accusation at me.

You've made repeated ex-cathedra statements about Obama's positions that aren't backed up by the facts.

"but I'm well aware of how vicious you can be when you've got your back up, so I just let that go."

Yes, I imagine after making anonymous attack you'd like to let it go. Most people would like to end a fight after a low blow.

"lastly, that wasn't a strawman, and I didn't make a catalog of logical fallacies, and if I *did* do so, then Brad Delong, who made a very similar set of criticism of Krugman's column, also made a catalog of logical fallacies."

Brad DeLong didn't present the Reagan Redux strawman. You did.

Brad DeLong didn't start this out with a fact free attack. He criticized Dr. Krugman's position, but laid out his reason: namely, he's not persuaded that the data calls for stimulus yet, and he regards Obama's plan as being the most expedient and doing the most good for the least money. You have not, at all, engaged in anything close to such an explicit statement of your position on this topic.

Stirling Newberry January 18, 2008 - 10:07am

the bad loan nightmare, even though it bails out bad actors?

maybe an agency to buy mortgages at a discount, or mortgage backed securities, forcing banks to voluntarily take a moderate loss now, maybe coupled with limits on bonuses or salaries to officers to qualify for the program

and some program to offer borrowers of "covered" mortgages some better deal

coupled with a regulatory system, maybe centered on rating agencies, to prevent the need for huge bailout again

if all the bad actors get punished, the whole place collapses, and everyone suffers

jwp January 17, 2008 - 11:04pm

Economic expansion after the dot-com bubble was largely fueled by extremely easy money. Sub-prime lending was just a small part of it. I suspect that credit card debt is the bulk.

When the economy contracts, people lose jobs and have no way to pay installment debt. The repercussions from that would be staggering.

Would a stimulus package hold off a deep recession? I doubt it.

Petronius January 17, 2008 - 11:28pm

The problem with any bailouts is that there is no free lunch. And nobody wants to get stuck with this bill. Somebody will have to pay, especially if the govt buys any of these toxic loans (which are worth nothing), and it will be those who did not gamble or make stupid financial decisions who have to pay. And that will not sit well.

Moreover, bailouts remove whatever moral hazard there is in making risky greed-based decisions. There has to be risk to the people making the decisions, or else the risk must be borne entirely by the remainder of us (while the rewards entirely go to Angelo Mozilo). Big Business claims that it can regulate itself. Businesses can, believe it or not, but only when moral hazard operates (i.e., when they risked going out of business for making bad decisions). But with DC ready to bail them out, and no willingness to punish those who lie to shareholders, there is no incentive for long-term sustainable practice. I still get flyers and calls from Countrywide to refinance to an ARM! Even now! You would think it wasn't their money at stake.

Yes, the collapse of many banks will hurt. For a while. But it is the natural result of poor business practice and is sorely needed, or else the problems will compound and become more complex. And America will be a smarter, more cautious place for having been through it.

Mr. Flibble January 17, 2008 - 11:52pm

Bailouts don't bother me if they come with the proper medicine. If we were discussing a stimilus plan hand-in-hand with new regulation and rules to prevent future abuse I would be onboard. There is no greater time to impose good rules and new structure on people than when they are begging at your doorstep. You want a bailout? Fine, we'll save your ass but from now on you have to agree to do X, Y, and Z to keep this from happening again. Don't want those new rules and regulations? Then we're not opening our wallet for your greedy mistakes.

Since I don't see that being done, I'm not really onboard with any stimulus being offered. Without regulation or a fundamental change to the system (for the better), it is moral hazard plain as day IMHO.

Goddamn, is there any part of American politics and finance that is not broken? What the hell happened to my country?

zot23 January 18, 2008 - 2:23pm

Didn't they nearly go bankrupt, and are now owned by Bank Of America? BOA infused some cash last summer, then bought the rest at I think 5% of what they traded at last January in a cash-free stock swap...

The corporation as an entity has been spanked by the market... but given the problem with executive compensation, I bet it was followed up with a plethora of golden parachutes.

I'm a bit curious what the private equity firms are planning... a lot of them are sitting on billions in cash. They're probably waiting for the first non-bank to collapse, then buy it for a song. Maybe a home construction company?

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bex January 18, 2008 - 2:38pm

CEO was given a huge golden parachute. He'd do it again, I'm sure. Worked out well for him.

Ian Welsh January 18, 2008 - 2:56pm

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