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Dear Stirling,

Help us end the occupation in Iraq.

Click here to find a "Take a Stand Day" event near you on Tuesday!

Did you hear President Bush last week talking about Iraq? Instead of listening to the vast majority of the American people on Iraq, President Bush is talking about how wrong it was to leave Vietnam.

Well, just a reminder to this President: U.S. troops stayed in Vietnam, in the middle of a civil war, for more than ten long and painful years. More than 50,000 of our young people died, countless wounded mentally and physically. Suicides and homelessness still follow too many of our Vietnam veterans. How many more would have died if George W. Bush had been President in the 1970's? How many more of our troops and innocent Iraqis will die if we don't finally end this war?

Who tossed out this piece of fundraising spam? Why none other than Barbara "I'm sticking with Joe" Boxer. If we need an example of the hypocrisy of our governing classes, it is this. I was in the room when Boxer backed Joe Lieberman in a tight race against Ned Lamont. Lieberman pretended to be anti-war, but he instead spoke in "parse speak." He intended to back the war, and any escalation of the war, even as he tried to say he wanted to end the war. Meaning he wanted to end it with a smashing military victory, or not at all.

Boxer backed him, on the record, and in front of an audience of people who did not want to hear it. That's how this war happened, with millions of people just like Barbara Boxer backing the war when it was convenient - and a vote for Joe was a vote for escalation, as we knew then and have seen proven in blood now. Boxer has lost all credibility to ask for funds agains the war, because when the chips were really down, she backed the war.

If you wanted to end the War Senator Boxer, then dumping Joe was the part that you could have played. If you and a few dozen other party apparatchnicks had helped bury him in the primary, then we would not have the situation we are in now. You voted for the war already, it is too late to be against it after you were for it.


Stirling Newberry August 28, 2007 - 2:39am
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Barbara Boxer voted no in 2002 Senate on support for War.

By your logic, it was too late for her to be for it because she was first against it in the Senate vote.

If you want to attack her for Lieberman that's fine.


1."George Washington did not cross the Delaware for Capitalism," -Shmuley Boteach.
2.The Dems haven't punished the GOP enough, so you're going to reward the Republicans?

nymole August 28, 2007 - 10:21am
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You are where you stand

when it matters.

Boxer was with Joe when it mattered. We all know where Joe was going.

And no, your argument doesn't follow since the war is still going on, anyone can slurp at the trough - as Boxer did to support Joe - at any time. It would only have been too late to be for the war if the war had not happened...

Stirling Newberry August 28, 2007 - 12:00pm
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just a side issue so one more time

If the vote for or against authorizing the war was not a case of "you are when you stand when it matters", then

-Hillary wouldn't be doing the "if only I had known then what I do now" dance, and

-Kerry wouldn't have been seen to have his head up his ass with his convoluted," even if I knew then what I knew now I would have have voted to support the commander in chief".

I am not contesting the Boxer/Lieberman issue, Would there still have been a war in 2002 in the unlikely event that a Senate majority had voted as Boxer did? Probably. It does not, however make her 2002 vote void.

That is all.

Cheers,


1."George Washington did not cross the Delaware for Capitalism," -Shmuley Boteach.
2.The Dems haven't punished the GOP enough, so you're going to reward the Republicans?

nymole August 28, 2007 - 7:51pm
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The fundraisers are out now

I've already gotten a couple of Dem fundraising calls. I made it clear that the candidate who endorses the following at a minimum will get my financial support:

  • Single-payer healthcare
  • Immediate drawdown of the troops in Iraq
  • Repeal of the Patriot Act
  • Increase in the corporate tax and the over-one-million-dollar individual tax brackets
  • A balanced budget
  • Abolition of defense pork such as MDA

Of course, no one does (with the possible exception of Kucinich), so the call usually ends there. We can use the fundraising spam to push the important issues to the top of the pile.

Petronius August 28, 2007 - 12:52pm
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the Constitution

they get no money from me until they remember that document. seriously. i am sick and tired of watching them twiddle their collective thumbs every new and horrifying time another part of it is shredded.

as for boxer: no, i don't forget that moment. FDL had a nice pic or vid of it, when it happened, iirc. she really lost it. she wanted to show her lurv for Joe so much, despite all the DFHs surrounding her, and she let them know it. it made her look not so superduper.

there are very few in the beltway who truly deserve either the title of "hero" or "representative of the people," which these days are practically the same thing and equally unknown.

chicago dyke August 28, 2007 - 4:09pm
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