Hook Line Sinker


Two years ago Laurence Kotlikoff was pushing scare tactics about the death of Social Security. Once the great raid on Social Security died, he changed snake oil and is now telling people that they can sell their houses for big profits, and save lots less. and the New York Times is drooling to give him free advertising.

I have to shake my head here, is there no limit to the pretzelling that right wing economists will go through to shaft the middle class? Basically his calculator says that you should pass nothing on to your children and stick them with any big bills, because his calculations are woefully inadequate given actuarial trends and medical inflation.


Stirling Newberry January 27, 2007 - 2:36am

" Mr. Kotlikoff is trying to sell his software, called ESPlanner, to large employers as well as to the financial services industry. He has made no major sales so far. It is also available to individuals [..] for $150. "

creativelcro January 27, 2007 - 12:13pm

Among many, in the "Guessing Games" graph: Right after retirement, around age 67, there is an item that says: "Set aside $100,000 for medical emergencies". So, if you set that aside you cannot touch it, right? Yet, the graph does not show a 100K drop (yet, it shows the 100K gain when one sells the house). Obviously, if you use up such amount, the line would hit the X axis 10 years earlier (85). Basically, you set it aside but assume you'll never need it. Pretty dumb....

creativelcro January 27, 2007 - 1:53pm

Here is the Forum link (not much activity):
http://esplanner.com/phpBB2/

creativelcro January 27, 2007 - 2:23pm

Admittedly the program has had a few bugs, what piece of software doesn't (you should look at the Windows bug log sometime)? But the TTR once bugs are found by customers is typically on the order of a few days (modulo the update cycle, then we fix them, but don't release the fix as quickly), far better than most software vendors.

I would think that LOW activity in the Support Forum (the link given above is to the Support Forum for ESPlanner) would indicate few bugs, not many, or a piece of software with sufficient documentation to actually let users figure it out, but I certainly wouldn't come to the conclusion that the software is "buggy" from the contents of the Support Forum.

If you're going to make a blanket statement like "buggy software", please state your case. If you're right, we'll be more than glad to fix the problem (assuming you're a customer).

Best,

Dick Munroe

munroe@csworks.com March 18, 2007 - 7:25am

Assuming you agreed with the assessment of something as "a problem" - why would you only be glad to fix that problem if a customer stated it?

Escher Sketch March 18, 2007 - 2:28pm

Well, Duhhh...

Of course we fix problems when WE find them, if we had found them first the customers wouldn't have found them at all. The point I was trying to make (and which was clearly ignored) was that customer service is extraordinary compared to any company I've ever worked with (save the one I founded) and that customer issues (including refunds) are handled promptly and efficiently.

Best,

Dick Munroe

munroe@csworks.com November 30, 2007 - 4:00am

The distinction I was commenting on was your own - " we'll be more than glad to fix the problem (assuming you're a customer)". A problem's still a problem no matter who states it - and input from non-customers can get you new customers.


"The best-informed man is not necessarily the wisest. Indeed there is a danger that precisely in the multiplicity of his knowledge he will lose sight of what is essential."

- Dietrich Bonhoeffer

Escher Sketch November 30, 2007 - 3:32pm

Is there no limit to the pretzelling that right wing economists will go through to shaft the middle class

no.

this has been another edition of "simple answers to simple questions."

chicago dyke January 27, 2007 - 3:29pm

Normally I think Stirling's blog is a good place to learn stuff, but he's throwing around the 'right-wing' accusation too fast and loose here. Looks like Kotlikoff's conclusions disagree with Stirling's beliefs about finance, so Stirling goes off the handle. Maybe Stirling has the same tendancy as the financial planning community when it comes to new ideas.
Look, Kotlikoff's method is to apply Monte Carlo simulations to the U.S. income tax rules. His software sifts through many possible scenarios and finds the optimal solution (maximal, stable consumption levels throughout somebody's lifetime). Surely Stirling can understand this.
It could be that Kotlikoff's model has some deficiencies, such as being "inadequate given actuarial trends and medical inflation" as Stirling telegraphically tells us. I'd like to see a follow-up from Stirling with his real criticisms, not just ad hominems and sour grapes.

quigleydoor January 29, 2007 - 2:32pm

ESPlanner does something that no other financial planning tool does. It doesn't make you guess what you'll need for retirement. Unlike financial planners who generally start by making a guess as to what you'll need, ESPlanner takes your current behavior (savings, investments, whatever) and your future behavior (travel, medical expenses, gifts to children, charitable contributions, bequests, funeral expenses, etc.) and tells you what your standard of living will be. Don't like the answer? Change your behavior until you get results you like. Want to save more early on, go ahead. Want to save for a rainy day, do it. ESPlanner doesn't control your behavior, just tells you the consequences of it.

You can even dink with all of the economic assumptions used by ESPlanner, unlike most planners (software and human). You don't believe Social Security will be there? Then 0 it out and see what happens, Medicare B premiums will double 10 years out, do it, inflation goes sky high, the code can handle it.

The upcoming update deals with Medicare B expenses and the projected burden for retirees is substantial (starting at about 4k at retirement now, using relatively optimistic real growth rates, winding up with about 16k/year at death).

Admittedly I'm not unbiased. I'm one of the principal designers for the code, but the last thing on Larry's mind is to tell you that you're not saving enough. You may or may not be, that is for you and ESPlanner to work out. As I said earlier, ESPlanner tells you what you'll likely wind up with making well documented and manipulable economic assumptions and given your behavior.

Besides, trying it is free. Buy it, use it for a couple of weeks to do some modelling, see if the results make sense and if they don't or you don't like the work required to do the data collection, return it and get a refund.

But blowing it off because it doesn't say what you're used to hearing (or already believe) is irrational.

Best,

Dick Munroe

p.s. The opinions expressed above are my own and don't reflect the opinions of any other person or organization.

munroe@csworks.com February 18, 2007 - 4:24pm

Larry gave a presentation at BU on financial planning back in January. For those interested in hearing what Larry REALLY says about retirement, savings, etc., I suggest taking a look. It is available at:

http://www.esplanner.com/Lectures/2007-01-20.swf

The presentation is about an hour long, but well worth the time (and bandwidth).

Best,

Dick Munroe

munroe@csworks.com March 18, 2007 - 7:09am

"p.s. The opinions expressed above are my own and don't reflect the opinions of any other person or organization."

Maybe so, but they sure reflect on you and suggest at least your quality of customer service. duh. I'll pass, thx.

ww November 30, 2007 - 4:33pm

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