I doubt the individual will consider themselves a warrior-
The military I would think will class them as an operator persay- not a warrior as we have had thru our history- but
one cant say what the writers- historians-- military researchists- many with no own personal military experience- we cant say what will be their take-
heck my take is the AF is in a world of their own anyways- they fly - do the mission - usually without close contact - go back- shower - eat- have a drink - sleep then go do it again--
heck even have heard of soldiers- damn army guys refuse dentrance to a AF dining hall - told they could eat when they got back to their unit- also heard that same facility was liberated of sodas- snacks- many other nice items not seen on the front lines-
Like I said I just heard that ( could one be prosecuted for taking from their own supply line??) in a AF court I bet so lol

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I went to a Military University, and Army university, not West Point. Not one of the young officers who were my friends ever referred to themselves or their troops as "warriors". They were professional soldiers, and proud of their professionalism. They would be been offended to be called warriors.

The term "Warrior" makes me somehow queasy. To me, it implies an individual fighting individually, undisciplined, picking their own fights, and glorying in the battle and death. Bit like Valhalla. Or Zulu warriors.

Soldiers, on the other hand fight and die in groups (platoons, squads, companies, battalions, and armies). There is no glory in being a soldier, one is doing their duty, disciplined and following orders.

webster says differant
"Etymology: Middle English werreour, from Anglo-French *werreier, guerreier, from warreier, guerreier to wage war, from werre war — more at war
Date: 14th century
: a man engaged or experienced in warfare;

and obviously the military doesnt share the same concept you do on the use of warrior- there are warrior units- warrior programs and the elite once a year best warrior competition-

No glory in being a soldier? debateable- Im sure its a glorious feeling to be able to defend and protect the country you love - with honor

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if you blindly follow orders and waste a bunch of civilians. Maybe it's even more glorious from behind the console of a drone...

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ok so gues sim wrong- being a soldier must suck - poor bastards

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Warrior: A man. One man. One on his own.

Not a team.

Being a soldier is being part of a team.

There is no glory in war. There is pride in doing one's duty. A glorious feeling is not glory.

From Websters: Glory
"very great praise, honor, or distinction bestowed by common consent; renown: to win glory on the field of battle"

Notice "bestowed". Glory is earned. Not felt.

not disagreeing but every soldier is a warrior- and all together are an army- preach all u like but convince me u shall not ---all your yrs of military are appreciated
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There are shades of meanings in words. We agree to disagree on shades of meanings.

so why in so many programs does the army - nat guard etc- use the term warrior with pride? they misusing it? they have for years and will continue to us eit when so deserved
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It was, however, a known fact that many of the senior officers on board the Vincennes knew very little about computerized warfare. The tactical officer for surface warfare, Lt Cmdr Guillory, knew so little that he routinely used his computer screens as a surface for sticky notes instead......snip... Lt Clay Zocher was the boss of Air Alley, which was responsible for air warfare, but he had only stood watch at that post twice before and had never fully learned and mastered the console routines. In fact, when he was finally given the green light to fire upon the incoming aircraft, he pressed the wrong keys 23 times, until a veteran petty officer leaned over and hit the right ones. Nerves were shattered, and the training seemed nonexistent.

So who says the US military never learns from it's mistakes. :-)

There is only ever one enemy, and that is the military. It doesn't matter which side they purport to be on.

They had the weaponry to take it.... but not the men to keep it.

So after buggering around for a month or two... they went home.

There is only ever one enemy, and that is the military. It doesn't matter which side they purport to be on.

find those prices on craigs list ?? might be a scam my friend
think its crazy assumptions (views ) like that that start so many internet rumors and keeps snopes etc busy lol

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for the comparison is sound. In '87 the first cell phone I had cost $2K installed, plus a 2 yr. service contract. The technology was shit compared to what can be had now, and of course, waaaayy more expensive. Consumer electronics in general have followed the same trend. Why would it be a "crazy assumption" to think that electronic components the DOD use have not?

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sound for the general consumer products I agree- but weapons of warfare arent gettin cheaper cause they keep improving-- if he can find me a billion dollar bomber that he can buy for 100k- I'll be a believer - scarp price would be more than that

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A B1 cost about a billion (That's not accurate, I personally have never bought one).

Todays Predator drone cost in the hundreds of thousands, and drops bombs.

Why would anyone want a used B1, when they can get a nice shiny new Predator? Why do you think that the air force want Predators? more bang (literally) for the buck, and fewer personnel killed in action.

Now can we discuss price curves of "ordnance delivery systems" technology?

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would not be my first guess as to the escalating price tags. That argument doesn't hold water. Electronic technology in general has been improving as have the associated manufacturing techniques. Better for cheaper. Whoever has the contract for "weapons of warfare" is going to make an obscene amount of money, and at taxpayer expense.

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so after the M1 then the M1A1 and A2 should of been cheaper - hmmmm dont see it Texas is fixin to buy China

We are discussing the price of planes. In a plane 50% or greater of the cost is avionics (electronics), and there is a significant difference between predators ad b52/b1s/b2s because of the remove of people from the aircraft.

A different technology. Just like TVs, CRTs to Plasma, to LCDs to LEDs.

M1, M1A, A2, AK47, Browning 303, don't see much new tchnology.

thought sure you'd know that the m1 was 1st abrams tank- the m1a1 next tthen the m1a2- wouldnt say they are just mechanical at all- - Texas is fixin to buy China

M14(civilian model M1A), M16A1,M16A2, and AK47 and finally AK74. Oh, and that would be an Enfield 303 (British) ;)

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he was answering my post about an m1 and not the garrand- pay attention I disagree with Kay Jewelers. I would bet on any given Friday or Saturday night more kisses begin with Miller Lites than Kay.

...armoured vehicles. A huge component of the cost (I'm virtually certain the largest component unless Chobham is a lot more expensive than I think it is) is the electronics (C3I, sensors, etc.).

I tend to think that the largest part of the cost differential between a Predator/Reaper and a B1 (once one accounts for carrying the meat bags) is that the airframes are so vastly different. One's a jet that drops ordnance of all sizes until the cows come home - the other's [Reaper] a greatly glorified Cessna that can drop the grand total of 2 Mk82 series weapons. Take all the avionics from a Reaper, including ground control stations, and I'll bet the bill gets a lot more comparable to a teen series fighter than one might initially believe.

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here.

...operating the machine and yet another human telling the operator to pull the trigger. Are those people not responsible for the deaths resulting from their actions? I feel sorry for the poor schlumps flying drones from Nevada killing women and children. In many ways they're more morally repugnant than the guy on the ground, face to face, pulling the trigger.
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However, the military has robots that are autonomous; i.e., no operator, the next step is to kill autonomously; its only a matter of time.

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...it follows, it will only be a matter of time before the machine malfunctions and goes against the operator...there's always an operator; by definition there is always an operator.

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Automatic Mode

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...I thought a strike would be good as well and said so on another site; went over like the proverbial lead balloon...

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It was your suggestion here that got me thinking about it. We need it, its the only way anything will happen.

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...that I suggested a national strike. But truly, it's the only thing that will work. "They" will ignore everything else. Realize; it will be dangerous, "they" have no sense of compassion, only a sense of duty. They'll likely bust heads to stop it.

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gettin ya head busted when health care is at risk - that a good idea??

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...no pain, no gain. My guess is, you're young. I would further venture that if there is no progress on healthcare (and it's at the tipping point) you'd regret not striking. This really should be on another thread.

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I will post it here without a date to get feedback then I have a plan to get it to go viral.

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actually as a vietnam era vet- and later (retired actually I have health care so good luck lol

I disagree with Kay Jewelers. I would bet on any given Friday or Saturday night more kisses begin with Miller Lites than Kay.

...now who the hell is Kay Jewelers?

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jewelry store...when you start quoting ads, that means you watch too much of that TV thing.

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actually saw the saying poste delsewhere n liked it- doubt id fall in the couch potatoe category at all
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fixed: professional volunteer military caste

The dominant story of the last couple decades for most western militaries has been the transition to the all-volunteer force.

“The absence of any US-Iran bilateral channel...may have the perverse effect of reinforcing Iranian interest in progressing in the nuclear realm so that the US will be forced to take it seriously and engage it directly." ~ Richard Haass

as people volunteer for any job.
Not volunteer as in unpaid.

We volunteered to pick up trash. We worked for free.
We volunteered to help the church. We worked for free.

We volunteered to join the Army (we were not conscripted). We applied for a job.

No equivalence here for "volunteered".

The aspect of voluntary labour having to do with free will is a lot less controversial than the aspect having to do with compensation (i.e., compensation is a slipperier slope). There are an awful lot of jobs that're easier to get, and that counts for something.

I work in the voluntary sector - for me the notion that volunteer == professional isn't a contradiction.

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if all the imperial goons were unpaid?