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Tell me about it! Was it good? A harbinger of progress in the Middle East? Or just more of the same old same old, rhetoric without actions?
Open thread.
Yes to all three questions sums it up pretty good :)
Obama speaks out of both sides of his mouth and his back end at the same time; he's very talented.
At this point, I think it's a "made for TV show" and I noticed that Obama's ratings are slipping; many of us noted Obama can't be everything to everyone.
I think his marks are 1/3 (love), 1/3 (don't know), and 1/3 (hate) now.
Somehow Rasmussen believes that about 50% of us approve of his politics:
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history
To go back to SP's questions:
Was it good?
Yes, this guy knows how to deliver a speech. Show me an Obama speech that isn't at least good.
A harbinger of progress in the Middle East?
Yes, I sincerely hope so. Recent signs have been encouraging.
Or just more of the same old same old, rhetoric without actions?
Yes, at this point it is only rhetoric without actions.
if it was rhetoric without action, so how could it be good? To me, the speech was racist since Obama had no intention of making the world better a better place for the oppressed:
President Obama: “The United States can be a partner in solving the problem, but ultimately the parties involved are going to have to make a decision that the prosperity and security of their people is best served by negotiations and compromise. And we can’t force them to make those difficult decisions. What we can do is to provide them a framework and a forum and the support for such an outcome to be achieved.”
DemocracyNow, June 5, 2009
So yes, Obama covered up the fact that the US continues to give Israel weapons for enforcing aparteid so the US is essentially a full partner; yes, the policy of aparteid is still on track; so, yes: same old story.
plop, plop, fizz, fizz, oh what a relief it is!
...believes itself to be making the world a better place for the oppressed and I'm more than willing to give a less explicitly confrontational approach a shot, particularly given the propensity for wanting to walk away when the costs come in over what was forecast. Concentrate on cashing the cheques you've already written.
As to racism, I don't think most people do a particularly good job of recognizing it when they see it. I see byte after byte go by of prognostication about Iraq or Afghanistan and much of it basically denies the Iraqis or Afghans an active role in any of this. They get painted as obliging cyphers, capering about to support whatever view the author wants. That's racism - not a particularly virulent, overt or even intentional form of it in most cases, but all the more pernicious for its aggressive passivity. This at least recognizes that it's not anyone else's call to make.
“The absence of any US-Iran bilateral channel...may have the perverse effect of reinforcing Iranian interest in progressing in the nuclear realm so that the US will be forced to take it seriously and engage it directly." ~ Richard Haass
The bombings continue, the torture continues, the domestic spying continues, the kidnappings continue, the illegal detentions continue, I'll believe in "Change" when things change.
has spent billions on bailing out failing companies and the US now has Government Motors (GM)
about anything, anywhere at any time in history. It's sad to listen to folks who can only complain. No imagination, and an inability to see possibility or to hope.
It was one of the great moments in history. No doubt about it. It was the perfect transition.
“I have made it clear to the Iraqi people that we pursue no bases, and no claim on their territory or resources. Iraq's sovereignty is its own. And that's why I ordered the removal of our combat brigades by next August. That is why we will honor our agreement with Iraq's democratically elected government to remove combat troops from Iraqi cities by July, and to remove all of our troops from Iraq by 2012,” - president Obama, June 5, 2009.
If that is not a change in tone I do not know what is. Everything else is limbaughesque drivel.
I am watching the saving of the banking industry, an economic recovery, the transition out of a war in Iraq, and health care reform being taken on with brilliance and grace, steady resolve, and an amazing articulateness I haven't seen since Bobby Kennedy and Martin Luther King Jr.
A Nobel Peace prize is two years away, mark my word.
Rick Salutin | Globe & Mail | June 5
Barack Obama's speech in Cairo yesterday made me nostalgic. The feeling came on as he foresaw a time “when the Holy Land of three great faiths is the place of peace that God intended it to be.” In my undergrad years, I studied at Brandeis University, near Boston, a secular school but built by American Jews as their contribution to U.S. higher education. Its architectural centrepiece was a set of three chapels around a pool where, as the school catalogue said, “three faiths go their separate ways ... together.”
The three were Catholic, Protestant and Jewish. Muslim wasn't yet on the chart, but that's not the point. The notion of religion was inclusive and humanitarian - that's the point - rather than exclusive and theological. At the synagogue school I'd attended in Toronto, by far the most popular course among us kids had been “comparative religion.” It made us feel worldly and cosmopolitan. At services, the prayer we spoke most solemnly began, Grant us peace (based on a loose translation from the Hebrew). Later, when I took grad courses at a Protestant seminary, earnest students would say things such as, “The church has gotta get where the action is, man.” It was a bit sappy, like the chapels, but the impulses were ethical and universal.
(more at link)
Analysis by Adam Morrow and Khaled Moussa Al-Omrani
CAIRO, Jun 5 (IPS) - Egyptian officials are lining up to praise U.S. President Barack Obama's address to the Islamic world delivered in Cairo Thursday. But local campaigners for political reform say the speech was disappointingly light on the issues of democracy and human rights.
"Obama spoke very briefly and in very general terms on these two subjects," opposition journalist and reform campaigner Abdel-Halim Kandil told IPS. "Despite the hype, Obama's speech was little more than an exercise in public relations."
Obama arrived in the Egyptian capital amid much fanfare Jun. 4, where he delivered a seminal address aimed at Arab and Islamic audiences. The U.S. President came to Egypt via Saudi Arabia, Washington's other main Arab ally in the region, where he spent a day meeting with Saudi Arabian leaders and officials.
Ahead of his speech, Obama also met with Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak. Although talks were held behind closed doors, the two heads of state reportedly focused on regional issues, including the conflicts in Iraq and Central Asia, impending elections in Lebanon, and the volatile Israel- Palestine conflict.
Obama's much-awaited address, in which he called for "a new beginning between the United States and Muslims around the world," covered a range of issues. These included the dangers of violent extremism; prospects for peace between Israel and the Palestinians; nuclear weapons proliferation; democracy; civil liberties; and economic development.
On democracy, Obama declared his belief that "all people yearn for certain things: the ability to speak your mind and have a say in how you are governed; confidence in the rule of law and the equal administration of justice; government that is transparent and doesn't steal from the people; the freedom to live as you choose.
"Those are not just American ideas, they are human rights, and that is why we will support them everywhere," he said. "Governments that protect these rights are ultimately more stable, successful and secure. And we will welcome all elected, peaceful governments - provided they govern with respect for all their people."
Officials of Mubarak's ruling National Democratic Party (NDP) hastened to praise the "historic" address.
"Obama's speech reignited hope for new U.S. policymaking," wrote Osama Saraya, editor-in-chief of state daily Al-Ahram. Mohammed Sayyed Tantawi, head of Cairo's prestigious Al-Azhar school of Islamic learning (who is appointed by the President), declared that the address "succeeded in touching the hearts and minds of Muslims."
But local reform campaigners and human rights activists were considerably less impressed.
Bahaieddin Hasan, head of the Cairo Centre for Human Rights Studies, described the address as "superficial" and devoid of details. "There didn't appear to be any concern for either democratic reform or human rights," he was quoted as saying in the Friday edition of independent daily Al-Dustour. "This came as a major disappointment."
Hisham Kassem, a leading Cairo-based rights activist, agreed. "The Obama administration appears to have put human rights and political reform at the bottom of the agenda," he told IPS. "It's noteworthy that only 367 words of the speech out of a total of almost 6,000 were devoted to democracy and human rights. This tiny proportion appears to be an indication of Obama's priorities."
Kassem said that after a full five months in the presidency, Obama "still hasn't appointed an assistant secretary of state for human rights, while he has also done away with the Bush-era position of special envoy for human rights and political reform."
Kandil said that Obama's choice of Egypt - ruled by Mubarak under a draconian state of emergency for 28 years - sends the wrong message. Saudi Arabia that Obama visited earlier lacks even pretence of democracy.
"Obama's visit was a show of support for both the dictatorial Egyptian regime and the criminal policies of Israel regarding the Palestinians," he said. "It represents an acknowledgement of Egypt's role in serving U.S. and Israeli policy objectives, while totally overlooking the regime's dismal record on human rights and political reform.
"The government, in crisis due to skyrocketing inflation and enormous popular disaffection, is hoping that Obama's visit will somehow bolster its legitimacy and lengthen its dwindling lifespan," said Kandil.
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An embarrassment. This review repulsed me. Absolutely no vision or concept of what can be accomplished in the world. Sad.
Obama's "vision problem" is that he conjures up visions that we all want yet, at the end of the day, he has his own private gallery.
And I believe that with the respect he displayed toward the Muslim world, he saved more lives from terrorism than Bush-Cheney ever did.
America did to them and that American made weapons continue to harass them; Obama's lipstick means nothing.
The inability to recognize evil or the inability to recognize good? I fear it is the latter.
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