More Chaos In Thailand


Thailand is once again coming unglued. I've been trying to follow the reports, especially the cancellation of the ASEAN Summit Tina highlighted. But an Agonist reader and fellow blogger lives in Thailand and writes from the ground.

For background see these older Agonist stories from when I was in Bangkok, here and here.

Here's the New York Times' take on Thailand. And here's the LATimes. I was hoping it would be Paul Watson covering it, but apparently not. He's usually got the best, most nuanced coverage. LAT's coverage is still better than that of the NYT, if you ask me.

Sadly, this quote is probably how things will end, when they do:

"This will hurt the country, but they have to fight to the end no matter what is lost," said Varaporn Rachoso, 50, a flower vendor in the northeastern city of Udon Thani. "Unless the police and army take off their uniforms and join the protest, there will be more blood."

It's an unfortunate conceit of modernity that there is always a solution to conflict, that violence should be avoided at all costs. But just like sibling fights, sometimes it's just best to let them fight it and come to a settlement of their own, otherwise siblings spend their lives hating each other.

Update: More from our friend in Thailand, and worth a read. It's bad there. Very.


Sean Paul Kelley April 13, 2009 - 3:40am
( categories: Asia: South-East )

that would be a first.

and violence should be avoided at all costs.
(didn't you lose someone close, to some stupid violence, or am I thinking of someone else?) modernity is progress, don't forget, and progress is hope.
I hope you have a safe day, bro.
here's a Turkish phrase I learned for you:
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dk April 13, 2009 - 8:21am

I am not, never was, and probably never will be a pacifist. Nor am I opposed to the judicious use of political violence. I think I've always made that very clear in my posts here at The Agonist. Certainly, violence should be avoided. But you know what: sometimes it simply cannot be, progress or not, which is an idea I've sadly grown very disillusioned with. We have lots of technological progress in our lives, but we seem to lack a lot of moral and ethical progress. Such is human nature.

Yes, I lost a very dear friend in a senseless crime. But on the level of state action, well, nations have interests, not friends.

“Is not our first thought to go on the road? The road is our source, our vault of treasures, our wealth. Only on the road does the ‘traveller’ feel like himself, at home.”
Ryszard Kapuscinski

Sean Paul Kelley April 13, 2009 - 9:08am

... ethical level is not breached by the parties in conflict. That's what was so marvelous about all theses bloodless coups in Eastern Europe and why some of the old hand communist still enjoy some basic respect. Unlike the Chinese communist party they didn't pull the trigger when they could have.

That is why I believe ethical progress can be achieved although it is so much harder and so much slower than the technological progress.

To paraphrase your metaphor: If one sibling kills the other in a fight they won't talk later in life either (just ask Cain). Conflict resolution should never be violent but if one party breaches the ultimate ethical dam the other will have to fight.

quax April 13, 2009 - 7:21pm

“Is not our first thought to go on the road? The road is our source, our vault of treasures, our wealth. Only on the road does the ‘traveller’ feel like himself, at home.”
Ryszard Kapuscinski

Sean Paul Kelley April 14, 2009 - 3:12am

... unique forum like the Agonist that always draws me back in despite all the other demands on my time. None of the other blogs that I peruse ever tempt me to comment - let alone start a diary. Here at the Agonist there is such an exquisite mix of individuals - commenting never feels like a waste of time.

This small space in the blogoshpere allows a wider spectrum of political opinions to be argued in an honest manner than any other I am aware of. This may not count as ethical progress per se - but it sure counts for something.

quax April 14, 2009 - 3:02pm

and our values of open-mindedness and good faith that make this place special.

“Is not our first thought to go on the road? The road is our source, our vault of treasures, our wealth. Only on the road does the ‘traveller’ feel like himself, at home.”
Ryszard Kapuscinski

Sean Paul Kelley April 15, 2009 - 4:31am

...the updates on my blog as long as there's anything worth commenting. My English friend and his Thai wife live in Nong Bua Lamphu (Issan, up north). His wife says this won't end until Abhisit is out. The relevance of her statement is; Issan is the center of Thaksins support. The people have never given up their love of Thaksin and are adamant that the present government is not legitimate. In fact Abhisit boycotted one election and lost the other one. His is the PM by a negotiated appointment. Thai culture/politics are very complex with many corners. Snap decisions can almost never be made because of relationships, ageism, position, family, education, and social standing. And then there's the one's behind the bamboo curtain, unseen, unheard, but pulling strings.
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Celsius 233 April 13, 2009 - 9:33pm

it is people rejecting the globalist model of corporate assholes whose only motive is exploitation for profit. The very same thing should be happening here save the exception of food still arriving at the supermarket, it would be.

Lasthorseman April 13, 2009 - 10:58pm

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