Dow Gets Hammered


I've been so preoccupied with the news here in Bangkok that I've not been paying attention to the markets back home. What a day. Dow down 7.7%? S&P 500 down 8.9% and the NASDAQ down 8.9% also? Declining stocks overwhelmed those advancing by a 7.6 to 1 ratio? The Dow is now at 8,149? To top it all off, the New York Times reports that the recession began last December? So, we're a full year into it? None of this surprises me. What does surprise me is how so many market savy-seers I've relied on in the past to help me better understand where the markets are going are now consistently wrong and/or just as confused, although they won't admit it. But one can tell by what they write from week to week. No real sense of panic has set in yet among the major market participants, and I'm talking about the stock market here, not the credit markets because they are still distressed and panicky. A good example is Jeffrey Saut at Raymond James, whose strategy of buying 'stuff stocks' over the last several years made a lot of money. But now? His strategy notes have become almost schizophrenic. Take Monday's note:

Speaking to “the market advances or refuses to go down following the receipt of bad news,” two stocks that have been in a death spiral for months “coughed up” some pretty horrific news recently, but their share prices actually went up. Not only did they rally, Citigroup (C/$8.29) has gained 172% since a week ago Friday while General Motors (GM/$5.24) tacked on 136%. Moreover, since the October 10, 2008 “capitulation alert,” the economic news has been dour yet stocks have not meaningfully traveled lower.

Now, one could say I was being unfair to Saut, as how could he know what would happen today, especially as he penned this note over the weekend. But that's really the point isn't it? The volatility has been intense and although the market has been appeared to be in a test-retest phase, I don't think that's whats going on. I think the market has lower to go. Why? Manufacturing is a good proxy.

More after the jump.

I've long complained how America doesn't make anything anymore. I've written several times over the last five or six years how America's manufacturing base has been eviscerated under the Bush Administration. And it seems to be accelerating:

Part of the drop may have reflected profit-taking after last week’s surge in stock prices, but it also came in response to new data showing that manufacturing activity dropped to its lowest point in 26 years.

That data is only going to get worse as the situation in Detroit moves from farce stage to out and out calamity. Other than the automakers, Boeing, and the weapons-makers, what else do we manufacture? Some heavy equipment and semiconductors but that doesn't employ a lot of folks.

I just don't see a scenario for a big market rally, as Saut does. Last week was a nice little rise, but we coughed it all up today. When markets rise in the face of bad news, that's the time to look for a nice rally. But when they fall on bad news, it's time to look the other way. I'm afraid we're looking at another down-leg here, as market participants start to factor in the earning devastation that will arise out of the credit crunch.


Sean Paul Kelley December 1, 2008 - 11:48pm
( categories: The Markets )

Various sentiment, stochastic and momentum indicators continue to reflect a deeply oversold market, of a rare historic nature that is similar to conditions found after the 1987 crash or other extreme declines. These conditions will ultimately have to be worked through to reestablish some equilibrium in the market, and time is beginning to work against the bears here. For example, if we head for new lows we could get a sudden quick plunge followed by another violent rally, or we could get a modest new low followed by yet another struggling rally. What is far less likely to happen is yet another deep drop that just stays there - not impossible, but not statistically the best bet.

So how do we work off the oversold conditions? We claw back to Dow 9000 or so, or alternatively we spend two months or more going back and forth in a very broad range, like we are doing now. Once the pressure cooker of selling has been deflated, you can then build up another head of steam to reach new lows and stay there later in 2009.

Numerian December 2, 2008 - 12:44am

The market is predicting that the economy will contract in the Soviet States of America 15% in 2009. That would equal to the collapse of Soviet Union. Obama would become the Gorbatshov of SSA. That would happen if the bailout implodes completely and causes only yet another 10 trillion dollar trouble.

-- I would like to send a bottle of whisky to a ranch in Texas

Singular December 2, 2008 - 7:38pm

"a deeply oversold market" and finally "head of steam to reach new lows and stay there later in 2009"

Can you explain? to my simple mind these seem contradictory. Thanks

Synoia December 2, 2008 - 2:31am

A deeply oversold market needs time to work off its excesses and recover somewhat. In a long term bear market what happens after a plunge like this autumn's is that the market rallies, in what is known in retrospect as a bear market rally. After this rally is complete, the market resumes its bearish ways and goes to yet new lows. In other words, the bear market rally allows the bears to build up a head of steam and attack the previous low, breach that support, and set new and more permanent lows. It's like walking one hundred steps down a steep mountain slope, walking back up a bit to rest on a ledge, and then walking down one hundred steps more.

Numerian December 2, 2008 - 6:54am

I've long complained how America doesn't make anything anymore.

Inflation, devaluation and trade surplus, which will pay US debt. The process will take ... a couple of years ...

Because the current US recession doesn't seem to be effective enough, I expect a double recession in the US: there will be a recovery and then another recession like in 1980's.

--Storm brings only richness with it

Singular December 2, 2008 - 4:18pm

Some things in the economy have started to improve, but it is difficult to say when the recovery (growth) starts. I mean that the speed of falling down has slowed.

The bear market has been deep enough but not long enough. German DAX went down 75% in this century ... Take a look some of those graphs on the internet to see how the stock market might act. The core idea is that German DAX came back.

But I repeat that I think that it is not an error to buy S&P500 at these levels, if you don't do market timing (this still is a bear market).

And there are again plenty of those who say "This is a New Economy!". They seem to have A New Economy every fifth year.

-- Storm brings only richness with it

Singular December 2, 2008 - 4:31pm

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