Women In Vietnamese Society


Ladies At WorkOne aspect of society I always keep an eye out for is the role and place of women where ever I may be traveling at the time. As I noted about Singapore, women there seem to have the best lot in all of East Asia, even Japan and South Korea. As for Vietnam, well here is what I wrote in my journal back on the 12th of November:

I wonder what the status of women is here in Vietnam? I see many working, but I haven't seen any but one running a restaurant. Normally the restaurants, or the front part of it is where the food is prepared and served. The back half is where the family lives. The women, I assume because I don't see them, are cooking while the men take the orders and the money. The women, usually young women, late teens, early twenties, serve the food and the disappear. Obviously this is a porr anecdote to generalize from so I will wait and see what it's like in Saigon before pontificating any more.

What I've seen in Saigon has done little to alter my first impressions. All the restaurants are the same. So are the hotels, except for the one I am staying in, as one young lady seems to be the manager. As a general rule, the women do menial, shit work. Sometimes I'll see an older women running a kiosk or bodega, but that's only because her husband is sitting in the shade drinking beer with his buddies.

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When I visited a government office for visa reasons what I saw was pretty much the same. The women, all young, do the menial work and the men sit around, collect the money, boss them around and pretty much seem useless. There are no women police, as I've seen in South Korea and Singapore. And there are tons and tons of them that fills the bars at night, 'bar girls' is what they are called. But that's just a euphemism. (Please Adrena, don't turn the comment thread in this post into another anti-prostitution screed. Let's just keep it to the role of women in Asian society, k?) They don't have any formalized representation in what passes for Vietnam's parliament, either. The only woman I know who's managed some national respect and success is the architect of the Crazy House in Da Lat. She has an interesting story. Her name is Hang Nga and her father was president of Vietnam in the early 80s. That goes a long way towards explaining the opportunities she's had. But still, she's an accomplished architect and she's earned the respect of her countrymen. It's a start, I suppose.

All in all, I fear the lot of women here in Vietnam is not very good. Job opportunities don't seem to be particularly fulfilling, nor do they pay very well. There are tons of pregnant women here in Vietnam and loads and loads of infants and young children everywhere. In that sense it is a healthy society, but I prefer to see women in places of real influence. Singapore, in my opinion, is the model for East Asian women to aspire too. Let's hope the future is better for the women here. They certainly deserve better.


Sean Paul Kelley November 23, 2008 - 11:41pm

I really appreciate this entry. It is common for travelers to notice racism in their travels, and to be uncomfortable with the privileged position whites occupy. It is unusual for male travelers to notice sexism and to make commentary on it. Kudos to Sean Paul. This is one of the reasons the Agonist is fun to read. There are other blogs I read that I appreciate the insight they give me politically, but they have "patriarchal issues" (TPM comes to mind). Fortunately the Agonist is free of this affliction.
This is something that I always notice when I travel. What are the women doing? It is a good indicator of what is going on in the culture.

farmgirl November 24, 2008 - 10:34am

Is that the women are as driven as the men.
The stereotype of meek, mild & subserviant asian woman?
A myth. A least here in CA.

Vietnamese person with type "B" personality? Appears extinct.

Synoia November 24, 2008 - 12:49pm

In poor countries, where each dollar, dong, won, peso counts, how can there be the patient Type B types?
Albert

Albertde November 24, 2008 - 4:04pm

From what I've heard, Saigon isn't the place for Type B's to hang out, what with it being the commercial capital and all.

You'll probably find more Type B's up in Hanoi, where the art and humanity types hang out. In general the pace of life is going to be more relaxed up north.

dot_txt November 24, 2008 - 6:21pm

how much I appreciate this post. Thank you! It's always comforting to know there are men who care about the plight of women.

On a lighter note - maybe you've heard this joke. I think it's funny.

A nun was teaching some young girls at a Catholic school. One day she asked her class "What do you want to be when you grow up?"

Ellen replied.” I want to be a doctor" to which the Nun said, "That's just wonderful, I am so proud of you"

Jane replied "I want to be a Pilot" and the teacher said, "Oh, I am so proud of you, too"

Suzie said "I want to be a prostitute" to which the Nun fainted.

As they were reviving her laying on the floor, she motioned for Suzie to come by her...”Now just WHAT did you say you wanted to be, Suzie?".....

"I want to be a prostitute."

And the nun said "Oh Thank God...I thought you said a Protestant"


Tolerating prostitution is tolerating abuse and torture of women and children.

adrena November 24, 2008 - 8:33pm

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