$306,000,000,000 For Citigroup Bailout


Yes, you read that number right: $306,000,000,000 for the Citigroup bailout. Is there any question lingering in anyone's mind that if it is too big to fail, it is too big to exist? I sure hope not.

Who's to blame for this? I'll tell you, as it's a short list. Alan Greenspan, Phil Graham, Sandy Weil and Robert Rubin. (Numerian says I should put Timothy Geithner on the list too. Who am I to argue?)

What an absolute clusterfuck. $306 billion is half the amount of the TARP. At what point do our overseas creditors recognize the risk they face by continuing to lend us money? And how long do we keep our triple A rating?

Any idea what that kind of money could do for our infrastructure? Our schools? National healthcare? You can kiss that goodbye.


Sean Paul Kelley November 24, 2008 - 2:30am
( categories: Economics: USA | The Markets )

larry summers too

selise November 24, 2008 - 3:58am

re: preventing cdss regualation, the enron loop hole and repeal of glass-steagall. i have lots of examples, here are a couple:

November 2, 1999 - Robert Scheer, writing about what would become the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act in the LA Times:

Only last week, as the bill was being pushed through a congressional conference committee, Treasury Secretary Lawrence H. Summers rushed back from a trip to China to huddle with lobbyists representing Citigroup, Goldman Sachs, Merrill Lynch and other financial giants. The meeting was closed to the media and public, but one participant told the New York Times that Summers lectured the lobbyists on how to spin this bill so it appears to be in the public interest. "He said it would be very unfortunate if any financial institution were to suggest that they do not see the broad public purpose of this legislation," the lobbyist reported.

June 21, 2000 - A joint hearing of the Senate Committee on Agriculture, Nutrition, and Forestry (chaired by Lugar) and the Senate Committee on Banking, Housing, and Urban Affairs (chaired by Gramm) was held on the S.2697 , The Commodity Futures Modernization Act of 2000.

From Summers' opening statement (in support of the CFMA):

I believe it is a matter of great importance to the future of our financial system and to the future of our economy to move ahead with legislation that provides legal certainty for swaps and OTC derivatives transactions. And I believe that such legislation is now within our grasp, with the unanimous agreement of the President's Working Group and the very substantial consensus that has formed in the central area of legal certainty for OTC derivatives among members of these committees, members of the House of Representatives and the various constituencies.

I believe that if anything, the events of the last year, as we have seen dramatic increases in competition in the financial services area across countries, only go to emphasize the importance of the United States moving to provide legal certainty.

So it is our very great hope that it will be possible to move this year on legislation that, in a suitable way, goes to create legal certainty for OTC derivatives while, at the same time, reducing systemic risk, protecting retail customers, and maintaining U.S. competitiveness.

And it is our belief that the central provisions contained in this bill with respect to OTC derivatives make great progress in achieving these goals and are provisions that we can support as they follow very largely the recommendations of the President's Working Group.

selise November 24, 2008 - 4:49pm

A man who understood little about banking (though something about insurance), and whose only real skill was buying up other financial institutions, firing thousands of employees, and creating an ever-larger behemoth that became more and more unmanageable. Of course, he became a billionaire in the process and left when the market was running on high-octane debt binges.

You should put Timothy Geithner on that list, a man who refused to let Lehman Bros. convert to a bank, but then changed his mind when his old pals at Goldman Sachs asked for the same privilege.

Numerian November 24, 2008 - 5:06am

“Is not our first thought to go on the road? The road is our source, our vault of treasures, our wealth. Only on the road does the ‘traveller’ feel like himself, at home.”
Ryszard Kapuscinski

Sean Paul Kelley November 24, 2008 - 5:23am

rollout, can we please retire the "change we can believe in" mantra suffusing the Obama mystique? If anything, the Summers/Geithner/Rubin connection only reinforces the notion that there isn't a ha'penny's difference between Repub and Demo policy vis-a-vis "the Street" and the financial community in general. The revolving door is spinning wildly as one group of swindlers leave and another prepares to assume power.
Rubin is to the financial community what Richard Perle represented to the foreign policy apparatus under Bush: "Prince of Darkness". Absolutely criminal, and the hosing of the public continues unabated.



“les Etats-unis, c’est le seul pays à être passé de la préhistoire à la décadence sans jamais connaitre la civilisation…”...Georges Clemenceau

barrisj redux November 24, 2008 - 5:46pm

Team of Rubins

As progressives, we can view President-Elect Obama's emerging economic team in one of two ways. Either he has disappointed us by picking a group of Clinton retreads--the very people who brought us the deregulation that produced the financial collapse; the fiscal conservatives who in the 1990s put budget balance ahead of rebuilding public institutions. Or we can conclude that he has very shrewdly named a team of technically competent centrists so that he can govern as a progressive in pragmatist's clothing--as he moves the political center to the left.
...
Which brings me back to Obama's economic team. Leaks suggest that it will include Tim Geithner as Treasury Secretary; Lawrence Summers as a senior White House adviser, perhaps head of the National Economic Council; Peter Orszag as director of OMB; and Jason Furman, Austan Goolsbee and Jack Lew in other senior economic positions. All are relative centrists. And with the exception of Goolbee, the one thing that all have in common is that every one is a protégé of former Treasury Secretary and current Citigroup executive Robert Rubin. Even Hillary Clinton, as president, might have found a fresher group.
What kind of magic does this man Rubin have? He was one of the key Democratic architects of the extreme financial deregulation that brought the economy to this pass. At Citi, he was one of the grand strategists of the speculation in securitized loans and off-balance-sheet gimmicks that has brought Citi to the edge of bankruptcy. Yet he continues to fall upwards. Surely Barack Obama must have noticed that Rubin is a false prophet. So why is his entire senior economic group a Team of Rubinistas?
(more...)

http://tinyurl.com/6ppuen

Kuttner seems to feel/hope that if circumstances warrant it, Obama will step away from the Rubinites and go his own way. One wonders...but, if Obama does indeed work out the insidious connections between the major actors and the (self-inflicted)plight the US financial sector finds itself, he must act accordingly, or he will just set the table for more of the same down the line.



“les Etats-unis, c’est le seul pays à être passé de la préhistoire à la décadence sans jamais connaitre la civilisation…”...Georges Clemenceau

barrisj redux November 24, 2008 - 9:14pm

just pushing the reset button isn't going to work this time. Reloading the same operating system isn't going to work either. They are going to have to take the whole system apart, examine every piece and start over. Since the primary problem, which no one is will to admit, is that extreme economic power is as destabilizing as extreme political power, maybe they won't be able to avoid the issue.

When the crust gets too hard, its constrictive tendencies exceed its protective value and it gets shed.

brodix November 24, 2008 - 8:27am

There's 20 billion in cash, and 306 billion in loan guarantees. Of course, what's a few billion between friends.

NateTG November 24, 2008 - 8:47am

I'm so furious.

Krugman has a link:
here



Yes, I can come up with a post-election signature, just... not... yet...

nymole November 24, 2008 - 10:33am

A bailout of this size to Citi would be a big middle finger to the Big 3. A full out give away and a step closer to a nationalized bank system versus a LOAN to a manufacturers that produce a product rather than trade 0's and 1's in the ether. You've got to be kidding me.

I'd like to see how many Citi private jets, solid gold telephones, and platinum toilets are given up with a price tag like $300B+. I'd at least like to see a grilling of Citi CEO's and CFO's like that thrusted on the Big 3 execs.

Silent Autumn November 24, 2008 - 2:08pm

Agreed. And I bet that if they called them in, the top 5 guys at each of the top 5 or 6 WS firms could each fly in on private jets. Separately. In THEIR OWN jets.

Zman1527 November 24, 2008 - 5:06pm

$300 billion isn't all that much, about 2.5% I think....

mrmx November 24, 2008 - 2:11pm

From the NYT article on CITI, "The Reckoning"

As chairman of Citigroup’s executive committee, Mr. Rubin was the bank’s resident sage, advising top executives and serving on the board while, he insisted repeatedly, steering clear of daily management issues.
“By the time I finished at Treasury, I decided I never wanted operating responsibility again,” he said in an interview in April. Asked then whether he had made any mistakes during his tenure at Citigroup, he offered a tentative response.
“I’ve thought a lot about that,” he said. “I honestly don’t know. In hindsight, there are a lot of things we’d do differently. But in the context of the facts as I knew them and my role, I’m inclined to think probably not.”

http://tinyurl.com/5cn9se

Now, another notable figure who was once asked about "mistakes made" also produced roughly the same answer:

But one question for which Bush was evidently not prepared invited him to name his biggest mistake since 9/11.
"I wish you'd have given me this written question ahead of time so I could plan for it," Bush joked before taking a long pause.
"I'm sure something will pop into my head here in the midst of this press conference, with all the pressure of trying to come up with answer, but it hadn't yet."

What is it about the all-powerful that they simply are unable to cop to cockups?



“les Etats-unis, c’est le seul pays à être passé de la préhistoire à la décadence sans jamais connaitre la civilisation…”...Georges Clemenceau

barrisj redux November 24, 2008 - 5:15pm

Keep the big guys solvent while allowing the economy to crash.

They pick up the pieces--all the small banks and people that played by the rules, worked hard, saved--get screwed (lose their assets).

In the end, I think it'll backfire though--when the government inherits the liability and goes broke as well.

The level of fraud goes beyond comprehension.

It'd be like selling shares of a well. Each share sells for $1,000. The well is valued at $10,000. But when the well comes in and people try to collect their share of revenue, they discover 100 shares have been sold.

All the money people think they have is an illusion.

The veil is being ripped from their eyes.

Soon people will grab what they can. When they do, the world economy freezes in its tracks.

I did inhale.

Don November 24, 2008 - 6:47pm

at their own feet.

brodix November 24, 2008 - 7:18pm

Ask instead what economy will exist on the other side to pay for it.

Stirling Newberry November 24, 2008 - 7:54pm

when the fed is talking 7.7 trillion without any accounting whatsoever.

That's a paltry $25,800 for every man, woman and child in the United States.

I did inhale.

Don November 24, 2008 - 10:07pm

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