Citigroup: Next Shoe To Drop?


This crisis is beginning to resemble Imelda Marcos' shoe closet, so many of the damn things keep dropping. The next one, might it be Citigroup?

As Citigroup’s stock sank during the day, falling 68 cents to close at $3.87, the Federal Reserve was carefully monitoring how much money corporations and other customers were withdrawing from the bank, people involved in the discussions said.

The Fed was trying to ascertain whether the tumult in the stock market could escalate into something worse.

So far, these people said, most customers and clients remained committed to Citigroup.

'So far' being the operative phrase here. I wonder if this is going to be another one of those crazy weekends? Or maybe next weekend? I have no idea, but if Citigroup unravels, well, it'll be devastating. Not only is it a huge commercial bank with holdings and branches the world over, it's a big broker dealer and an insurance company. Just the kind of corporate monstrosity Glass-Steagall was designed to prevent ever arising. And Phil Gramm, the architect of Glass-Steagall's repeal remains unrepentant. I wonder if he'll be unrepentant when UBS collapses?


Sean Paul Kelley November 22, 2008 - 2:24am

The stock market is saying in effect that Citigroup is insolvent. No one knows exactly what this means other than its assets are valued at less than its liabilities. This no doubt refers to mortgage securities, home mortgages owned, and related derivatives. But it probably also implies commercial real estate, high yielding loans, consumer credit cards, and maybe auto loans too.

Notwithstanding all this, Citigroup owns a number of businesses that generate billions of dollars of annual revenue, starting with consumer checking and savings accounts, and asset management. Citigroup can become a ward of the state like AIG, probably for five or more years because at the moment no one has the wherewithal to buy even the healthy parts of these companies.

I suspect this outcome is already reflected in the stock price and in market sentiment. I don't know how shocking it would be therefore if Citigroup were to be taken under the big umbrella of the Treasury. Or to put this another way, the ability of such developments to shock the market seems to be waning.

The ultimate shock, probably due to reach us in the middle of next year, is that the U.S. Government will eventually be seen to lack the resources to rescue anybody else without damaging severely its own credit rating and the position of the dollar.

Numerian November 22, 2008 - 4:01am

"U.S. Government will eventually be seen to lack the resources to rescue anybody else "

And then the Government will renage on the Social Security & Medicare commitments.

The social security "trust fund" is all spent, and medicare is an unfunded liability.

Synoia November 22, 2008 - 11:27am

http://www.cnbc.com/id/27835645

80% drop in equity markets?

Hendry says I look out and see dead people...

I did inhale.

Don November 22, 2008 - 8:54am

Its amazing to see someone being brutally honest on CNBC.

Joaquin November 22, 2008 - 12:29pm

An 80% drop from the peak of 14000 puts the Dow at 2800. Yikes! That would mean a near 50% decline in 2008 and another near 50% decline to come in 2009. This guy really seemed to know what he was talking about though.

jonbrown November 22, 2008 - 3:44pm

...and particularly on the London Stock Exchange's FT 30, which lost 73% of its value during the crash...over the following year, stock prices rose by 150%...inflation continued to rise, to 25% in 1975, giving way to the era of stagflation...whilst the United States didn't see the same level in real terms until August 1993...

And the US car industry & looks very familiar to those of us who watched the UK car industry at that time...

...The Western nations' central banks decided to sharply cut interest rates to encourage growth, deciding that inflation was a secondary concern...

Reading this wikipedia article, the parallels today are very interesting..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1973_oil_crisis

Synoia November 23, 2008 - 12:14am

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