Why They Talked, and What They Want


~by Bill Murphy Jr.,
reprinted with permission by the author of In A Time of War

A great gulf exists between American military and civilian societies. But paradoxically, it's can be hard to tell young veterans of our wars in Iraq and Afghanistan from their peers who haven't served. As I wrote a book about West Point recently, I would visit with vets who had left the Army and were attending some of America's most prestigious universities. I was struck that the veterans were often the ones walking around campus with the longest hair, and the most stylish clothes. Spot a guy with a high-and-tight haircut and a wardrobe looking straight out of the AAFES at Fort Bragg -- odds are he's a wannabe who reads too many Tom Clancy novels and never served a day in the military.

But soldiers and veterans want to be noticed. That's not to say they want to be singled out, but I found over and over as I wrote my book that they want civilians to pay attention to their collective service. Soldiers talked with me for thousands of hours, and even gave me access to their diaries, their letters, the "sent mail" folders of their yahoo and gmail accounts. They know their stories are worth telling. And what's more, they recognize that the rest of us need to know. We need to understand.

I did more than six hundred interviews for In a Time of War. I recorded most of them, and paid people to write transcripts. Here's a sample of what I heard:

Joe DaSilva was assigned to lead a platoon of soldiers in Kuwait just days before the March 2003 invasion of Iraq.

"I pulled everyone in that night, and I told them, look . . . I'm not going to lie. I don't know what awaits us on the other side of that berm. I have no idea but I'll tell you this . . . [I]f I have to give my life for any of you I would do that in a heartbeat . . .

"And I had soldiers after that come up to me and telling me that they don't know why but just hearing that from their lieutenant made them feel better. I knew they weren't B.S.-ing me because months down the road we would talk about how they felt when I took over . . . They were brutal. They were talking about tying [me] up in the back of a humvee . . . Some of the other platoons were joking with them, saying, You guys are going to die! You guys are going to die!"

Drew Sloan was nearly killed when his humvee was hit with a rocket-propelled grenade in Afghanistan. He turned down a medical discharge, endured a year of surgeries, and recovered to go to Iraq. When an IED went off right in front of his humvee, he was surprised by his own reaction. He smiled broadly and reached out to bump fists with a sergeant in the front seat.

"Having a bomb go off close by to you can't help but remind you about your own mortality," he explained later. "And being reminded of that makes you feel really alive."

Eric Huss served an intense Iraq tour, taking over for a lieutenant who had been killed in action. I interviewed Eric and his wife, Julie, in a brew pub in Denver, just after he got off active duty.

"I didn't let him drive for a while when I was in the car," Julie explained. "And his short term memory was non-existent."

"I talked to a lot of different guys," Eric said. "It's about a year before your short term memory comes back."

"I haven't heard that," I replied.

"I've been trying to, like, psychoanalyze it, and here's what some friends and I have come up with. You're doing a job. It's kind of a crappy job. You go through a lot of stress on many different levels. Regardless of the stress you face you still have to get up the next day and do the same missions over and over again, whether it be a different patrol, a different IED, a different guard shift -- whatever the case may be. Regardless of who shot at you the day before, whether you got mortared the day before, you know, etc., etc. And as a defense mechanism in order to help you cope, we figure that over time you start to basically, automatically, kind of forget a lot of what just recently happened to you, so you can kind of cope and live in the present . . . [W]hatever happened to you that day or the day before, you still have to continue on that mission regardless. As a result, you act, react, and then dismiss it and try not to dwell on it. Because otherwise it'd be so hard to get out of bed the next day and do the same damn thing."

War is a horrible thing, and not all of the real-life characters in my book survived Iraq. I interviewed Jen Bryant, the widow of Lieutenant Todd Bryant, about the day she learned his fate.

"I was in my classroom waiting for all my students to come back up from lunch, and the assistant principal came in and said to me there's somebody in the office. We need you in the office. My whole chest caught . . . And so I walk in the office and for a split second I was relieved because I didn't see any officers. And I thought it's okay. And I just looked around for someone to tell me what was going on. And one of my students was in there, and she's like, ‘Oh, they're in there,' pointing to the principal's office in back . . . I saw my principal standing there, and I just looked to my right, and there's four or five officers standing, wearing their class As. And one of them was one of the generals at Fort Riley.

"I just hit my knees and I started saying, No, no, no. Don't tell me. Don't tell me. And I remember General Kearney, like, kneeling down beside me. And he took my hand. He just kept holding my hand. And I screamed. I kept saying, No! No! No!"

About one and a half million Americans have served in Iraq or Afghanistan. They want us to notice them. It's disturbing, to say the least, to come home from a war only to find that nobody notices anymore. The opposite of love isn't hate; it's apathy.

We owe these veterans quite a bit. But before all else, we owe them the duty to pay attention. And to listen.

©2008 Bill Murphy Jr.

Bill Murphy Jr. is the author of In a Time of War: The Proud & Perilous Journey of West Point's Class of 2002. He worked as Bob Woodward's research assistant on the bestselling State of Denial. A lawyer and former Army Reserve officer, he lives in Washington, DC. Please check out his website atwww.inatimeofwar.com and http://billmurphyjr.wordpress.com/.


Sean Paul Kelley October 23, 2008 - 11:00pm
( categories: Book Reviews )

the sacrifices and hardships endured by Mafia enforcers and narcotraficante kidnappers in the course of performing their duties. We owe these hardworking young men quite a bit.

chalo October 23, 2008 - 11:18pm

so I won't drag it out. I'll just say that plenty of people go to war and do terrible things of their own accord. Plenty of people go to war and do absolutely amazing things at tremendous personal risk for the benefit of others. Most people go to war and never do either.

BuddhaSixFour October 23, 2008 - 11:31pm

eom

chalo October 24, 2008 - 2:08am

...father of two young children, a Militia [National Guard for the non-Canuckle heads] officer currently training the Afghan National Police to police without fear or favour and a mafia enforcer - how could I have missed the glaring commonalities?

On one hand, a guy that went because he accepted the Queen's shilling long, long before 9/11 and it was his duty - and if he didn't go, one of his fellows would have to go twice. On the other, someone who when threatened with legal consequences for his actions rats out his fellows to lessen his sentence.

On the one hand, a guy that thought that by going he can help train the Afghan security forces become a little more professional, maybe survive a little longer and be a force for national stability, rather than corruption (heck, then they might actually have some other options in the thorny, complex issue of counter-narcotics). On the other, someone who traffics in narcotics.

The similarities don't exactly overwhelm me.

Seems to me we can follow your lead in forcing everything into your tight little box - this seems to be morally satisfying, but appears to generate pretty much zero insight into the people being looked at. It certainly tells the reader something about you, the observer, but not very much about the folks that are being observed. Or, we can recognize that people go to war for a whole bunch of reasons - some good and even laudable and some pretty damned bad, and we can recognize that some people comport themselves well in war and some reveal the most repugnant moral failings.

My friend? I think he went to war for some pretty good reasons and I trust him implicitly to follow my and my country's values while he is doing so.

“The absence of any US-Iran bilateral channel...may have the perverse effect of reinforcing Iranian interest in progressing in the nuclear realm so that the US will be forced to take it seriously and engage it directly." ~ Richard Haass

JustPlainDave October 24, 2008 - 6:48am

determines whether the bullet is performing a 'service' or a crime.

I read somewhere that soldiers in Iraq went driving around Iraq at 2am blasting hip hop - jeez I thought that's what the GANGBANGERS in Chicago do...but then again the function is really the same - intimidate the weak - and revel in your asskickiness.

Gangsters have a code just like our glorious people's army...the one that definitely won't turn on us if ordered...we hope.

KingElvis October 24, 2008 - 10:46am

"We owe these veterans quite a bit. But before all else, we owe them the duty to pay attention. And to listen."

We do, and it infuriates me that they are used as little more than political props. I don't want to see flag-draped coffins, but when a soldier gives his life i find it beyond disrespectful to sneak his body back into the country in hopes that no one will notice. Nor should his body be used as a statistic to prove a point that needs no statistical evidence, i.e. that our current occupations of choice are ill-conceived and horribly damaging to our nation and the world as a whole.

They're people who've experienced things that we can only hope the majority of us won't ever have to face. But we owe it to them and ourselves to face our veterans.

Lex October 23, 2008 - 11:22pm

One of the most intense experiences I've ever had was sitting in the back of a C-130 on a flight out of Baghdad International to Kuwait sitting across from two of those caskets. The funny thing was that I didn't react at the time. Sometime a few hours later, it hit me and I had to sit down for several minutes. I had forgotten about it until reading your post. I'm a little choked up remembering.

The thing is, I can see how it seems like politics to "hide" these things. There are political gains on one-side for hiding them, and there would be political gains on the other side for exposing them. In the end though, the military does what it does because it is so intensely personal. It is far too raw at that moment to share, so it is not.

If that has ancillary political benefits, so be it. That benefit is purely coincidental, I assure you.

BuddhaSixFour October 23, 2008 - 11:49pm

Military Analysis
Smedley Butler on Interventionism
-- Excerpt from a speech delivered in 1933, by Major General Smedley Butler, USMC.

War is just a racket. A racket is best described, I believe, as something that is not what it seems to the majority of people. Only a small inside group knows what it is about. It is conducted for the benefit of the very few at the expense of the masses.

I believe in adequate defense at the coastline and nothing else. If a nation comes over here to fight, then we'll fight. The trouble with America is that when the dollar only earns 6 percent over here, then it gets restless and goes overseas to get 100 percent. Then the flag follows the dollar and the soldiers follow the flag.

I wouldn't go to war again as I have done to protect some lousy investment of the bankers. There are only two things we should fight for. One is the defense of our homes and the other is the Bill of Rights. War for any other reason is simply a racket.

There isn't a trick in the racketeering bag that the military gang is blind to. It has its "finger men" to point out enemies, its "muscle men" to destroy enemies, its "brain men" to plan war preparations, and a "Big Boss" Super-Nationalistic-Capitalism.

It may seem odd for me, a military man to adopt such a comparison. Truthfulness compels me to. I spent thirty- three years and four months in active military service as a member of this country's most agile military force, the Marine Corps. I served in all commissioned ranks from Second Lieutenant to Major-General. And during that period, I spent most of my time being a high class muscle- man for Big Business, for Wall Street and for the Bankers. In short, I was a racketeer, a gangster for capitalism.

I suspected I was just part of a racket at the time. Now I am sure of it. Like all the members of the military profession, I never had a thought of my own until I left the service. My mental faculties remained in suspended animation while I obeyed the orders of higher-ups. This is typical with everyone in the military service.

I helped make Mexico, especially Tampico, safe for American oil interests in 1914. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank boys to collect revenues in. I helped in the raping of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefits of Wall Street. The record of racketeering is long. I helped purify Nicaragua for the international banking house of Brown Brothers in 1909-1912 (where have I heard that name before?). I brought light to the Dominican Republic for American sugar interests in 1916. In China I helped to see to it that Standard Oil went its way unmolested.

During those years, I had, as the boys in the back room would say, a swell racket. Looking back on it, I feel that I could have given Al Capone a few hints. The best he could do was to operate his racket in three districts. I operated on three continents.

Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives. John Stuart Mill

Don Quijote October 24, 2008 - 8:35am

... is the same Brown as you'll find in KBR.

ww October 24, 2008 - 8:56am

Then you've got to wang on 'm unless they get strong enough to come wang on you, which you can depend on. It is all about staying at the top of the heap. That is the law of human civilization and it is no less or no more than the purpose of the US military. Call it "tradition"

"You have no respect for excessive authority or obsolete traditions. You're dangerous and depraved, and you ought to be taken outside and shot!" - Joseph Heller

Joaquin October 24, 2008 - 11:01am

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