Giving Away The Crown Jewels, And For What?


We just gave away the crown jewels (and about all the NPF moral authority we had remaining) in the Senate's vote to go ahead with the Indian nuclear deal. And what did we get in return? Vague promises of a strategic alliance against a someday threat, i.e. China? Has any member of Congress been to India lately? Have they seen the sorry state of infrastructure there?

In an earlier post today I highlighted a speech Dorgan gave on the repeal of Glass-Steagall and the consequences it would someday have.

Well, I think Drogan is more than prescient here again too:

Senator Byron Dorgan, Democrat of North Dakota, called the deal a “grievous mistake” that would reward rogue behavior. “We have said to India with this agreement: ‘You can misuse American nuclear technology and secretly develop nuclear weapons.’ That’s what they did. ‘You can test these weapons.’ That’s what they did,” Mr. Dorgan said.

This opens a very bad can of worms. Nasty, glowworms, by the way. So now we are aiding and abetting proliferation? Well that's just great! What's next, France going to start trading nuclear technology with the Indians? Oh, wait, sorry, they already are. So tell me now, who are we to say the Russians can't sell that nuclear plant to the Iranians? Really?


Sean Paul Kelley October 2, 2008 - 4:20am
( categories: Asia: South-West )

"...So tell me now, who are we to say the Russians can't sell that nuclear plant to the Iranians? Really?"

But, but, but those Iwanians is really nasty, naughty people. Pwesident Bush told us so. And, he's always right -- hard right.

VizierVic October 2, 2008 - 7:20am

I'm not at all keen on undercutting the core NPT bargain, but on the other hand I'd rather see the de facto trade be formalized, brought into the open, and potentially used as a means of engagement / leverage. India has already been importing nuclear materials from NSG countries over an extended period. This sort of deal would seem to be the only viable means of them expanding their nuclear power on the scale they think they need to. Goodness knows I'm not keen on the idea of them starting more exotic means of conservation - fast breeders give me the creeps.

“Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies.” ~ Sir Ernest Benn

JustPlainDave October 2, 2008 - 10:14am

as the only supplier?

Tina October 2, 2008 - 10:28am

...is whether the US intends to provide assistance with these types of sensitive technologies (i.e., enrichment and reprocessing). The terms of the 123 agreement (at my not terribly detailed reading, anyway) do seem to permit both of these - the question in my mind is what the US intends to follow through with. Me, I kinda wonder whether one wouldn't be able to limit the assistance to less contentious things, such as fuel, etc. My understanding is that they've [the Indians] already signed a fuel deal with France and intend to do the same with Russia.

“Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies.” ~ Sir Ernest Benn

JustPlainDave October 2, 2008 - 4:24pm

India Says US Atomic Pact Sign 'World Needs India'
Published: October 2, 2008
Filed at 10:23 a.m. ET

NEW DELHI (AP) -- India said Thursday that U.S. congressional approval of a civilian nuclear pact was a sign that ''the world needs India as India needs the world.'' Pakistan immediately demanded a similar deal.

I'm betting Pakistan get those F-16 upgrades now

Tina October 2, 2008 - 10:45am

Upgraded F-16s to cut casualties in Fata: US

how much of the aid we give them comes back as military sales?

Tina October 2, 2008 - 10:49am

From the Beeb:

However, Washington has already indicated that Pakistan's track record of nuclear proliferation disqualifies it from such an arrangement.

In 2004, the top Pakistani nuclear scientist AQ Khan admitted to passing on nuclear secrets to Libya, Iran and North Korea. He retracted his confession in 2008.

Newspaper reports have suggested that Pakistan's leaders might now turn to China for help with civilian nuclear technology.

Petronius October 2, 2008 - 12:32pm

October 3rd, 2008
Posted by: Sanjeev Miglani

U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice will be in New Delhi this weekend to celebrate a hard-fought nuclear deal that to its critics strikes at the heart of the global non-proliferation regime by allowing India access to nuclear technology despite its refusal to sign the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons Treaty (NPT) and give up a weapons programme.

China and Pakistan are not amused although both stepped aside as they watched an unstoppable Bush administration push the deal through the International Atomic Energy Agency and then the Nuclear Suppliers Group in one of its few foreign policy successes.

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A commentary in the state-controlled Beijing Review says Pakistan has reason to worry about the deal and recalls a statement put out by the Pakistan Army last month that warned of negative implications for strategic stability in South Asia. It would have been better if the United States had considered a package approach for both India and Pakistan, which conducted its first nuclear weapon tests two weeks after India, the magazine said, quoting the Pakistan Army statement.

China’s own stand, it said, was that all countries are entitled to make peaceful use of nuclear energy and that bodies like the NSG must address the aspirations of all parties. But it described the India-U.S. deal as a turning point which in the long run would have have a profound impact on international non-proliferation efforts.

“Countries on the nuclear threshold might be tempted by the potential rewards of the Indian approach and pursue their nuclear weapon programs with renewed vigor,” it said. “This new perspective might also affect negotiations over the North Korean and Iranian nuclear issues. ”

Within hours of the U.S. Congress clearing the deal by an overwhelming vote, Pakistan’s prime minister was demanding a similar agreement for his country

“Pakistan will also now make efforts for a civil nuclear (deal) and they will have to accommodate us,” Yousaf Raza Gilani said.

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Tina October 3, 2008 - 10:14pm

Saibal Dasgupta | Beijing | October 17

Times of India - Pakistan President Asif Ali Zardari has failed to obtain a clear commitment from Chinese leaders on his proposal for broadening the nucle
ar relationship between the two countries, informed sources said. ( Watch )

Zardari is believed to have spent the past two days during his first presidential visit to Beijing persuading Chinese leaders to sign a Sino-Pakistan nuclear deal on the lines of the India-US deal, among other things.

But Beijing has indicated it will seriously consider Zardari's request after examining the changing situation concerning India-US nuclear relationship and Iran's nuclear ambitions.

Zardari is believed to have told Chinese leaders that a Sino-Pakistan deal on nuclear energy would help Beijing counter the effects of the India-US deal. But Chinese leaders are reluctant to go ahead with the idea as they regard Pakistan to be politically unstable, sources said.

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“The absence of any US-Iran bilateral channel...may have the perverse effect of reinforcing Iranian interest in progressing in the nuclear realm so that the US will be forced to take it seriously and engage it directly." ~ Richard Haass

JustPlainDave October 17, 2008 - 8:32pm

Howard Lafranchi | Washington D.C. | October 24

CSM - China's agreement to help Pakistan build two nuclear power plants is prompting warnings that the new US-India civilian nuclear deal is already pushing other countries to pursue their own nuclear relationships.

The concern among South Asia experts and nonproliferation advocates is that the American deal allowing India to pursue an expanded civilian nuclear program with limited safeguards is prompting other countries in a volatile region to seek a similar deal – something the US had said would not happen.

"You can't help but hear about China supplying Pakistan with nuclear power plants and see it as a reaction to the US-India deal," says Michael Krepon, a South Asia nuclear proliferation expert at the Henry L. Stimson Center in Washington. "Pakistan is desperate for energy, as is India, but there are lower-cost and shorter-timeline options for producing it, so there is something else going on here and in the Middle East."

That "something else" – whether a result of Iran pursuing a nuclear program it claims is peaceful or Saudi Arabia talking nuclear power with the US – is a regional scramble to counterbalance the nuclear plans of often untrusted neighbors. In the case of Pakistan, it's the pursuit of a counterweight to offset the expanding US-India strategic partnership – particularly in the nuclear realm – through a similar, though less ambitious, partnership with China.

Announcement of China's intentions to add two nuclear plants to the Chinese-built one Pakistan already has came during a visit by Pakistan's new president, Asif Ali Zardari, to Beijing last week.

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“The absence of any US-Iran bilateral channel...may have the perverse effect of reinforcing Iranian interest in progressing in the nuclear realm so that the US will be forced to take it seriously and engage it directly." ~ Richard Haass

JustPlainDave October 24, 2008 - 4:05pm

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