Sooner or Later Your Living Standards Will Fall


Yes, dear reader, that means you. No, don't shake your head and say, "I'm insulated." You are not. Here's the story of how I was forced by circumstances beyond my control and equally by my own stupid mistakes to cut my standard of living in half.

When I left Morgan Stanley I was living pretty well, traveling frequently, making good money and living in a bachelor's dream pad. I drove a Mercedes (oh, what a mistake that was!), ate out whenever I wanted, pretty much where ever I wanted to and wore Armani suits and French-cuff shirts. Plus, I had enough income to support the credit cards I was charging ever more of my consumption on. And I hadn't an inkling of the mess that was soon to befall me.

More of my story after the jump

Then came the market crash and my income was literally halved in about six months time. The old timers used to say, "when a bear market hits you'll take a big paycut, so save now while the getting is good." I should have listened. Instead I went about making all the stupid mistakes everyone in this country is about to, or is currently doing: I withdrew all my 401(k) money, maxed out the credit cards, and other various financial tricks (you see, trading revenue dried up, and I wasn't about to churn my client's accounts) until I had nothing left. This process lasted about a year. By then the markets had bottomed and while I had managed to hold on to, or even increase in some cases my clients money the good old days of the 90s were gone forever and I inhabited a vastly changed financial marketplace--one that was being gamed at the 'top' and for those at the 'top' in increasingly disturbing ways. But I tried my best to survive.

Alas, debt continued to pile up. But there was no way I could afford the standard of living I had grown accustomed to. To top it off, I was married now. Something had to give--and it did. I no longer ate out much; I moved into a small apartment far from the nice area I used to live; my car was repossessed; and then I had health problems, three nasty back procedures, among other issues. Being 'technically' self-employed at the time--but still working under the rules of an umbrella of an increasingly vicious compliance department--I could barely maintain a lousy health insurance policy and soon I spiraled deeper into debt, much like one the country is spiraling into now. And yet, somehow I still managed to spend more than I earned. Even after I cut my living expenses by a third.

So, more downsizing ensued. Out went every subscription to all my magazines. My wife had to get a job. I downsized my telecom bill, maintaining only the flimsiest of family plans. HBO? Gone. Showtime? Gone. At one point I considered going to plain-old dial up I was so hard up for cash. Family stresses increased to a breaking point and soon my marriage began to fail.

The death-knell was ringing, but I couldn't hear it.

Furthermore, my credit rating and credit had deteriorated so quickly and so badly that I considered bankruptcy. But you see, I was in an awful bind. I had a license to trade securities and if I declared bankruptcy I would lose the license. (And I do understand this rule, after all, if someone can't manage their own financial house, how can they manage that of others?) I struggled to stay ahead for almost a year, but kept slipping even further behind. Finally the financial services company I worked for after leaving Morgan Stanley got wind of my debt issues and, well, for lack of a better word, pushed me out of the business. (Keeping all my clients, in the meantime.) So, the only real career I ever knew was gone in a poof of what Chicago-school economists call 'creative destruction.'

So, all I had to fall back on at this point was The Agonist and a friend at a radio station who helped me find some fair paying work and a family that was willing (and had some resources) to step in when it looked like I was going to fall off the proverbial cliff. But still it got worse. My wife left. She'd had enough. I was alone. I met the bottom as best I could. But getting to the bottom was the most miserable two years I have ever endured. Had I known then what I know now I would have done things very differently.

But let us continue the story.

I went off to Turkey to work--you all remember that adventure, right? Soon forced to return for family reasons I then moved to Austin and found, by some stroke of luck, an amazing job. But this time I didn't repeat the same mistakes. I had a decent salary supplemented by decent commission checks. I was determined to avoid repeating the same mistakes, as I could see the financial tsunami we are all witnessing coming on.

So I saved. I drove a 20 year old beat up Acura (which runs just fine, thank you very much) that I inherited from an aunt who had died the year before. (Yes, I was that hard up at one point.) And I saved some more. I started paying down my debts as quickly as I could. And I saved more again, keeping as much as I earned as possible in the bank. I rarely went out, cooked for myself and allowed myself only three luxuries: broadband, cable and books. (As an aside, I urge each of you to add up the amount you spend each year on broadband, cell-phones and cable, it really is a staggering sum.)

I lived lean, very spartan. After all, I don't need much. We all don't need much. A roof over our heads, a way to get to work (maybe for some a car, others the metro, and for others a bike), reasonably priced food, water and a little entertainment (much of which, surprisingly, can be found for free, take libraries for example, or 'concerts in the park' or the local free theatre).

The lesson I learned was realizing that needs are different than wants. Sure I want to feel the elegance of being enclosed in a silk Armani suit again. Sure I want to be able to eat sushi once or twice a week. Sure, I'd love to drive a BMW or some such. Sure, I want a lot. But I don't need it. I have what I need. And thank the gods that my ego isn't caught up in all that crap anymore. Things don't define me. What's in my heart, in my head, in my soul is what defines me. I am the sum of my experiences and in that sense, I am a very rich man.

Another quick aside, or confession of sorts. I'd always aspired to political office. But I always told myself I would do it only when I was mature enough to do so--to do so for the right reasons. What's funny is that I think I am mature enough now for it, but the irony is, it's not what I want anymore. Besides, I've made far too many mistakes to ever get elected anyway.

Anyhow perhaps I should get back to the point of this story, the moral as it were.

At some point most Americans will be forced to downsize. It is inevitable and you won't have any choice. This process will take an enormous toll on people's health, families and savings (if they are so lucky to have any). Take my personal experience and multiply it several hundred thousand, or even a million times and that's what the next ten years are going to look like. Certainly lots of plain old destruction, and less than creative, if you ask me. Never in all my time blogging about and predicting the coming financial crisis did I ever imagine it would be this bad. I knew something bad was coming, but this? Nope, never imagined it. I guess that's the optimist in me.

And while I am not in the business of offering financial advice anymore perhaps you might learn something from my experience(s). For I am one of the lucky ones. I'm a (relatively) young white, well-educated male who learns quickly and can sell just about anything. (There is still a great deal of racism in this country, Obama notwithstanding.) That makes it easy to hire me in just about any industry. But many, far too many people are not nearly so fortunate as I. Many people weren't as lucky as I am in getting a good education. Many people aren't as lucky as I was in being born a man in a man's world. (I wish it were different, but it is what it is and I would change it in a heartbeat if I could.) Many people aren't as lucky as me when it comes to luck. You see, the world isn't fair. And I've been just plain dumb lucky a lot. That's not something to build a future on. Waiting around for luck also isn't a good strategy, either.

But common sense, something I often lack in volumes, can overcome luck. And in that vein may I be so bold as to make a suggestion: downsize now while you have a choice and prepare your family, because nothing is as important as they are. Choose to do so now, because when you don't have a choice it's disastrous.

Besides, the Fed isn't going to bail you out. Trust me, I know.


Sean Paul Kelley September 18, 2008 - 6:29am

Last Tuesday the Dutch Queen held her State of the Union (Prinsjesdag, ie Princes Day), in which she stated the Netherlands will hold their purchasing power in 2009 (pensions are privatized, currently at 158% coverage rate), and government will govern towards a budget surplus of 1.2% of GDP.
My point is: the pain that is felt by Americans today, has not reached the other side of the pond (yet).

docyoast September 18, 2008 - 3:49am

But your story is the tale of someone hitting proverbial "rock bottom" and having to recover using new skills and foregoing all pleasures. At the most you might say you were addicted to the American dream, but aren't we all? We all press our purchases to the limit of our current income, and we all dress in the priestly robes of our profession. Things like HBO and Showtime on cable are small luxuries (though they do add up), so who can fault you for wanting a little enjoyment in life? You had arrived and you wanted to show it, and that is utterly American, as Thorstein Veblen pointed out over 100 years ago during the Gilded Age in his Theory of the Leisure Class - a book everyone should read and very slowly because it is packed with insights.

But you are not an alcoholic, and you do not have a disease, and your problems therefore are mostly from external circumstances beyond your control, relating to the collapse of the American dream. Yet the pain to you is precisely that of the fallen addict. Is that the lesson here? Is America like one giant addict, unable to wean itself from a "lifestyle" entirely inappropriate to its circumstances? Is our empire, largely invisible to Americans themselves, choking the life out of the country?

Are the new American pioneers those who have fled to Mexico or China or someplace less developed, to live in a world that is not yet plagued by material luxuries? Of course there is no such place - everyone wants to live like Americans used to - and Singaporeans have succeeded in their own way, of course. Nonetheless, someone is going to have to show Americans a different way of living, a middle way perhaps between extracting excessive amounts of the world's production, and living within limits everyone else has been forced to accept.

Maybe you are one of those pioneers, and there could be a really interesting book drawn from your past and current experiences.

Numerian September 18, 2008 - 5:37am

at things, i.e pioneers. Definitely something to ponder.

“Is not our first thought to go on the road? The road is our source, our vault of treasures, our wealth. Only on the road does the ‘traveller’ feel like himself, at home.”
Ryszard Kapuscinski

Sean Paul Kelley September 18, 2008 - 6:15am

I don't mean to break the romantic atmosphere here, but I think S-P is simply an(other) American guy (a guy with certain talents we all love, obviously) currently living and working in Singapore :) He probably needed some time away to recharge and think things over.
Other than that, I said it many times, I don't believe that where you live matters that much, unless you live in a very poor country or a totalitarian society. Sure, different places have different distractions, drugs and whatnot, so that things may seem very different or better in the short term. But in the end, the only thing that makes the difference is who you are.
I may be wrong! :)

creativelcro September 18, 2008 - 8:40pm

a regular guy, not much different than any one else, other than a little extra helping of luck here and there.

And you are also correct in that where you live doesn't matter much. After all, wherever you are, well, there you are. One cannot escape oneself no matter how hard we may try.

“Is not our first thought to go on the road? The road is our source, our vault of treasures, our wealth. Only on the road does the ‘traveller’ feel like himself, at home.”
Ryszard Kapuscinski

Sean Paul Kelley September 18, 2008 - 9:30pm

...and go down the same track S-P has just extricated himself from.

Bless Sean-Paul for his very instructive honesty.

I don't have the nerve/honesty that S-P shows in laying down cards like that ... I will later maybe. But you are on the right track Numerian. Only that track need not take you to a foreign country.
And it is actually a well worn track right in our own back yards...
look at the some of these people who scouted out the less materialistic and anti-materialistic life Americans could have been living.
Jim Merkel
Scott Nearing

And of course there was that libertarian H. D Thoreau. There are also lots of books that do not involve withdrawing from the technology or completely unplugging from the economy to get off the treadmills of conventional commerce. But being a frugal Hummer salesman may be a sign of madness...not all occupations we have among us today stack up well as "right livelihood".

Freedom is not more important than fairness, just easier to sell and a lot easier to fake.

greensmile September 19, 2008 - 7:13am

Thank you S-P for the courage to share the learned lessons of life as you have thus lived it. Remember, that it's not what you HAVE or WANT but what you ARE that is important. What you ARE has impressed me these past few years of visiting this site as I do every time I fire up this 'puter. Peace.

ChrisH September 18, 2008 - 8:38am

I have a different story. I am the first in my family to move out of farming and the building trades to graduate from college (made possible only by the money that flowed, briefly, post-60's to bring non-ruling class kids to the table). Thanks to my working class roots and a bit of traveling and living in third world countries I came to perceive the consumptive American Dream as hollow, immoral and unsustainable.
I briefly worked a real job, saved virtually all the money and made a down payment on a farm in the midwest. I paid the farm off over a couple of decades with revenues from milking a small (60) herd of cows and raised a handful of kids.
We used to watch the rest of the US grow richer and richer in material things, everyone had new cars, satellite TV, then cable, cell phones, beautiful new clothes, snowmobiles, 4-wheelers, and maxed out credit. We paid off the farm, carried virtually no debt, and lived off the waste of a consumer society.
We did not have TV at all as we made the decision to insulate our kids from the consumerism it fostered (not to mention we all had way too much work to do on the farm to waste time with sit-coms).
We shopped at yard sales and lived like scavengers off of the discards of a consumer society gone mad.
At times we had moments of remorse feeling like we had missed some luxurious boat ride that everyone else was on while we stood on shore in our Carhartt coveralls.
My kids did not have the consumer wealth other kids did but they had a pair of draft ponies (Haflingers) they broke to drive and rake hay with. They had border collie puppies from good bloodlines that they trained to work the stock. They had a pond and a creek to mess around in. They had any pet they were willing to take care of, baby raccoons, abandoned killdeers, peacocks, baby woodchuck, guineas, pigeons, turtles, frogs, salamanders, baby lambs, kid goats, chicks of varied breeds, geese, ducks, cats galore, etc.
My kids are adults in a much poorer world than I came of age in. I don't think they will be able to live so affluently off of the discards as we did. I thought this would come sooner than it did but do not relish its appearance. This will be a difficult transition for people. We learned very slowly and made lots of mistakes.
The wealthy will struggle to keep their party going, even if they have to exclude most of us from the largess. This will not be pretty.

farmgirl September 18, 2008 - 8:42am

much smarter than the average bear farmgirl and wiser than any on Wall Street. :)

Tina September 18, 2008 - 4:55pm

"My kids are adults in a much poorer world than I came of age in. I don't think they will be able to live so affluently off of the discards as we did. I thought this would come sooner than it did but do not relish its appearance."

I have lived at the periphery of a Freegan community. I've fetched my own fresh bread, still warm, from dumpsters. I've helped myself to frozen Tiramisu that was still sealed and frozen when I pulled it out of the trash. I've drunk Starbucks coffee that was bailed as whole beans from a dumpster knee-deep with them. I could go on and on about the free loot that group of folks used every day to make the most of their time and their dignity.

But such good fortune is what spills over from others who are awash in luxury (whether bought, borrowed or stolen). When others can't afford to be so careless and profligate, there isn't as much to spill over. By the time there are a whole lot of less imaginative but poor and idle people who begin to see scavenging and dumpster diving as a good idea, the choice pickings are all gone, like the streambed placer gold of a new strike.

I guess the bright side is this: The kinds of people who are adaptable and resourceful enough to live well on other's castoffs when the times are good, can adapt again and find the underutilized resources of their new circumstances when times change.

chalo September 18, 2008 - 6:19pm

This is an amazing life story - truly humbling.

quax September 19, 2008 - 9:21pm

I've been checking the agonist more frequently the last few days to see how the current events would be construed. honestly, much of the economics is beyond me, but i wade through it to try to grasp the essential trends. but this post rang very clearly, as i've been recently interested in what constitutes well-being. interestingly, economists have their opinions (see daniel kahneman's book on hedonic happiness). he seems to have reduced it to pleasure and positive emotions experienced daily. i find this a troubling view--one that could easily lead to seeking your happiness through the consumption of extrinsic goods like money and social recognition. (Most psychologists assume the mind and body where rational processes regulate temperament based drives, buy even this sets up a dichotomy that is ultimately conflictual. In my opinion the most promise is in an integrated model in which reason is influenced by one's worldview, or schema; it is this intuitive structure that must be transformed, because it is what determines the "color" of thought--ok enough psychology).

what is interesting about the downsizing is how it forces one to live sparingly and seek value elsewhere. this has to happen. we can't continue consuming a quarter of the worlds resources, while the poorest among us starve (that is if our debt continues to be supported). it seems that if it doesn't happen voluntarily it will be forced upon us as Sean-Paul says.

while this will be ultimately healthy for the planet, it will certainly not be enjoyable to watch people struggling materially, emotionally, and spiritually as they sort through the human experience to finally realize that value comes from being pro-social and allocentric--not selfish and egocentric. This is the example that someone like Gandhi--who died technically worth a few dollars--left humanity; how could someone utterly penniless be such a profound example of well-being, and such a supreme example of humanity's ideal?
well like SP says, we all have a choice. and it looks like we can make it now, or have it made for us. but, humanity has always had good examples to look to in times of confusion who have shown that it is possible to live a coherent life in well-being in the service of others. but are people ready to give up the dream and start looking inside?

young pilgrim September 18, 2008 - 9:23am

L.I. (Klaus Wennemann): "Boot ist nicht zu halten."

dsquared September 18, 2008 - 9:23am

I was wondering when we'd hear about what happened over the last few years. I had no idea tings had gone so low for a while. Imagine people in your situation, but with 2 or 3 kids as well! Total disaster.
Regarding downsizing. I agree, one does not need "much". Of course, some people in Africa would consider what we call "not much" like total splurging. The big trap is the one in which you feel you have to have anything that your neighbors have, or more.

creativelcro September 18, 2008 - 10:13am

The norm in the US is that people have about a two month cushion. (Yes, that's two months.) After that people have to dip into their illiquid resources - like real estate (if they own any) or the retirement plan. I'm sure you see where that goes at a time like this.

NateTG September 18, 2008 - 11:01am

That's paycheck to paycheck living, basically.

creativelcro September 18, 2008 - 12:07pm

What do you think "negative savings rate" means?

NateTG September 18, 2008 - 12:42pm

Living like other people is not a purely self-generated stupidity. I don't buy as much as most people (example -- I don't even have a designated long-distance carrier because it's cheaper to use a pre-paid phone card). And I have spent long, boring evenings with relatives exhorting me, "You ought to buy. . . ", complete with fulsome descriptions of how great their possessions are. The joys of consumerism are a common topic of small talk. When you are trying to persuade other people to give you a job, give you a raise, endorse the causes you advocate, or vote for the candidate you support, an Armani suit or its equivalent increases your credibility for a lot of people. We're social animals. Doing the things that the others in the society do is part of creating and enjoying the social bond. There is a cost to not doing so.

Obviously, I wish everyone would live less materialistic lifestyles, so I wouldn't seem like such an outrider, but I think this is another instance of setting up society in one way and berating individuals for not doing things in another way. And S-P, I don't mean this was a berating post -- thanks for writing it. We're on the verge of hearing how the current crisis came about because we were all too greedy on an individual level. Since it was everybody's fault, the people at the top who looted the system aren't really responsible. They earned their golden parachutes.

Reason not the need.
-- King Lear

nihil obstet September 18, 2008 - 11:34am

Whlie truly being on one's uppers to the extent of having to endure a bad toothache because one is unable to afford a dentist, many will simply have to rethink what they consider to be indispensible.

Brown-bagging lunches, learning to cook one's meals, to darn one's socks, discovering entertainment that costs nothing, doing away with elective travel, dropping cellphone and cable (and perhaps retreating to dial-up net access or free WiFi) are more likely to cause an individual to rediscover a sense of self than threaten existence.

In my world-view, the mess we've been in since the Reagan years is simply a manifestation of our willingness to accept a lie as truth. By not seeing things as they really are, or denying the existence of things and people we don't like, we've created our own toxic environment. The dot-com speculation was a lie (we wanted to believe, in spite of the truths told by P/E ratios and other financial data). We got into wars because we accepted the lie that we were saving the world or making it safe for democracy. We believed that the leadership had our best interests in mind. The latest financial disaster is due largely because a lie was being told about derivatives and securitization and free trade.

Anthropogenic climate change? Naw, can't be--fill 'er up.

Everyone can afford to own a mansion, with a little creative financing.

We saw some making money from "creative" investment schemes and happily decided to overlook the fact that the basis for it was fallacious.

No one really calls our leadership on their mendacity--and they seek to suppress those who would tell the truth.

Wall Street will cease to be dysfunctional when it can be counted on to tell the truth. That, after all, is supposed to be the purpose of accounting, is it not? Instead, accounting has been turned into a means of weaving convenient whoppers about the true state of a firm's accounts. Credit-rating agencies become unable to sift the truth from lies and compound the matter, causing a house of cards to appear as a stone fortress.

Truth eventually will out. Too bad for those who choose to accept the poison of lies as sustenance.

"What's that smell in this room? Didn't you notice it, Brick? Didn't you notice the powerful and obnoxious odor of mendacity in this room?" - Tennessee Williams, "Cat on a Hot Tin Roof"

Petronius September 18, 2008 - 1:46pm

An article worth reading in this month’s Walrus Magazine The Business of Saving the Earth

Last paragraph of the article, “I am coming to understand that my place in the garden is only as secure as the serpent’s.” My comment after reading all eight pages, "Wisdom takes a long time to develop, mistakes are part of the process."

canuck September 18, 2008 - 1:30pm

...placed almost 10 years later, and in a more sales-related field (I left sales for Technical Support by 1990).

It's hard sometimes to recognise needs versus wants...and yeah, high-speed internet can be seen as a want, depending on your usage. It doesn't help that our culture (especially in the past 8-10 years) has been pushed steadily deeper into consumerism and the 'ownership society', where a man's measure is in what he has, not what/who he is, or what he's doing/done.

I let myself get sucked into that--I've always been something of a gadget-man, wanting the latest personal productivity tools (Palm/Treo, then iPhone, bluetooth, laptop, home wireless network, you get the picture). Trying, paycheck to paycheck, to allocate funds to paying bills, then seeing what's left over for food and gas, really adds to the household's stress level. It helped kill my first marriage, and certainly isn't helping things in my second.

All we can do is our best, and only age and experience can really help in seeing & avoiding the spiraling death-traps laying in wait for us, that would suck us dry once again.

-5.75,-4.05
"God gives men a brain and a penis, and only enough blood to run one at a time." -- Robin Williams

justadood September 18, 2008 - 1:49pm

Regarding connectivity... S-P has said a few times how great Singapore is because there is WiFi everywhere... Or because it has faster and cheaper broadband... Let's ignore for a second all the issues about why it is that way... Is there any serious reason why we need more connectivity than what we already have? Even for my job, where I need remote connectivity when I work at home and a reasonable amount of connectivity when I'm around, what I have is enough. For all my remote computation I use DSL and vnc, basically. I have an oldish Treo 650 for cell phone, which does all I need it for, and more. I paid $50 for it, since I bought it earlier this year. Sure, if I had to do fast visualization using a remote machine I'd need something faster than DSL and vnc... Also, I would not minding getting an Iphone, they look cute. I can certainly afford it. But why? To watch videos while I'm on the bus? To find my position via GPS while I'm walking? Really, the limitations of my Treo are just inconveniences, nothing essential. Same for lots of other gadgets or for public WiFi. And I love gadgets and having internet access everywhere!

creativelcro September 18, 2008 - 2:33pm

what the expense is if you can't afford it? Sane people and countries don't buy or put on credit what their budget can't support. The day always arrives when loans need paying. That shouldn't tax the average person's intelligence.

canuck September 18, 2008 - 2:56pm

This thread motivated me to join the conversation after reading here for a couple of years. Sean-Paul, I read your words and applaud your willingness to rethink your life approach even in the face of the pain you had to endure. Many people have to do likewise, and I sadly fear that very few of us have the internal and external resources to weather the coming storm and come out the other side only slightly less well-off than we are. It'll be an interesting ride in more ways than one.

The technological turn here interests me for a couple of reasons. First, because I tend more and more to buy "knowledge" rather than "sensation." By which I mean that I buy old books that teach me how to design, build and fix the things I use. I have lately begun a acquire some vintage human-powered tools: crosscut saws and mauls for cutting and splitting firewood, new boring bits that will work in my brace, and a very nice hand-cranked drill press that I got for a price that had me giggling like a schoolgirl all the way home. I have an advantage. I know a bit of blacksmithing, some foundry work, I can run a half-decent weld with a stick welder, and I'm not afraid to field-strip an old engine. I have a chainsaw and a hydraulic splitter and boy, my back sure feels better after a cord of wood when I use them, but I also know a bit about sawfiling and setting kerf and tuning rakers. Gradually I'm trying to run more of my workshop on tofu and beans than on electrons and dinosaurs. I'm trying to make space for a treadle-powered lathe on which I can work both wood and metal.

As I say, I know that makes me a very fortunate person. I also live in a part of Canada where a good garden isn't impossible -- and my wife is such a good gardener she could grow smiles on a tax-man's face. We eat well from our land.

The second reason I find this interesting is that I went to a lecture last night by Marc Jaccard, an evironmental economist at Simon Fraser University. Among the things he spoke to was the matter of technology and how our predilection for disposable technologies -- such as computers and cellphones -- needs to be rethought in the light of environmental impact. I was shocked by his assertion that the average cellphone is a one-year item, either through loss or breakage or simply because there's a "better" one on the market. I have a cellphone...I've not even turned it on for three years, no contract, simply I keep forgetting to recycle it. In that regard, Dr. Jaccard mentioned that one of the business models that is garnering a fair amount of attention from environmental economists would require manufacturers to be responsible for the ultimate disposal of their products.

Among the ways that could play out: a hefty deposit on any new cellphone, to the tune of $2,000.00. This would encourage the user to return the phone for proper disposal, but the second-order effect would be to dramatically limit the number of people who really feel they must have 24/7 communications. I watched one of our city councillors sitting in the row in front of me during the lecture, spending the entire two hours sending and receiving email on his Crackberry. He was "present" for all to see him demonstrating his green awareness, but the mind appeared to be elsewhere.

Skiv Rasmussen September 18, 2008 - 3:18pm

seem relevant right now and a fair number will probably fall by the wayside, but technology (especially communications tech) always has a way of surprising society. Your question ("do we really need more connectivity?") is akin to that infamous quote by Bill Gates about not needing a hard drive greater than 650MB. Think about the internet before it became so huge--back when you had to connect through services like Prodigy. Sure, it was cool and could be useful depending on your line of work... but social networking sites? File sharing? Distributed computing? Google maps? Wikipedia? Who foresaw all this back then? Some visionaries got close, but the level of connectedness we live with today, via the internet, is astounding. I know that my life would be much poorer without it, as I get most of my book and music recommendations online.

Decades from now, our kids (or grandkids) will likely look back to today and wonder how people lived without global high-speed wireless telepresence and virtual reality or symbolic overlays... or something like that. :) Who knows?

Bolo September 18, 2008 - 8:44pm

Those who know how to live frugally are rich.


"While not a Playboy reader, she invites a male acquaintance in for a quiet discussion of Chagall, Nietzsche, jazz, sex." - not a Hugh Hefner quote

adrena September 18, 2008 - 4:46pm

for keeping the Agonist going through all that.

Psylo September 18, 2008 - 5:06pm

I am truly astonished that all that was happening...and you kept up The Agonist. Must be Divine Order.

I cannot express enough what a real lifeline it was for me to discover The Agonist at the time of the heartbreak and crushing pain of the invasion and to have so many great minds at my disposal for the perusing...a gift beyond price. I still use much of what i've learned, and my main understanding of so much has come from right here...

the Flamefest, Warthog, Evenmore, Marek, all the regulars from all over the world who were here...it was grand.

We've changed, but so much the better for it.

Deepest thanks.

Re: Downsizing: My mantra is, Shore up all your relationships. You'll need them.

1700: "Abolish slavery!"
1800: Woman's Suffrage!"
2000:"World Peace!"

bernadene September 18, 2008 - 5:42pm

far better than I could. Limited to this issue, of course.....


“I despise ideologues masquerading as objective journalists.” - Bill O'Reilly, March 30, 2007

Mark September 18, 2008 - 9:26pm

http://webofdebt.wordpress.com/monetary-proposal/

I'm actually a trust fund baby, as I get about $70 a quarter from the estate of a great grandfather who was prez of Wells Fargo back in the late 19th century. Other than that, I'm pushing 50 and still riding horses for a living.

School was trade school for desk work and I couldn't imagine spending my life at a desk.

brodix September 18, 2008 - 6:14pm

Emergency Program of Monetary Reform for the United States

There is no earthly reason why the Bank of Canada couldn’t lend its own government very, low, interest loans if commercial banks were made once again to hold reserves on deposits with no interest going to the private banks, held by the Bank of Canada, which relieves the tax payers from paying high interest on debt. The money could be used to support infrastructure across the nation.

canuck September 19, 2008 - 12:23am

SP,

Thanks so much for laying it out there. I too, like many at this moment, have been going through a reflective period of deep self (re)examination. While I haven't contributed here in some time, I still check in daily. Thanks to you and everyone else here who "keep it real" while nurturing this thing along.

Best,

Stuart

stuart noble September 19, 2008 - 2:16am
stuart noble September 19, 2008 - 2:58am

junkie, I really loved the end of it. Thanks!

“Is not our first thought to go on the road? The road is our source, our vault of treasures, our wealth. Only on the road does the ‘traveller’ feel like himself, at home.”
Ryszard Kapuscinski

Sean Paul Kelley September 19, 2008 - 3:19am

Thank you for remaining such a gracious blog host during such a difficult time. The Agonist is a very special place. To foster this unique blog while you were falling on such hard times is truly remarkable.

quax September 19, 2008 - 9:50pm

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