AIG Death Watch


I know that's a grim title but that's pretty much where we are this morning. Will AIG pull it off? CNBC just said if AIG can't pull it off today they will probably have to file for bankruptcy protection.

It looks grim, so, I'm interested in Stirling's, Ian's and Numerian's comments on this in the post. And all of your comments will be very appreciated.

If it looks like AIG will indeed fail, what will happen to the markets?

Some headlines:

Money-Market Rates Double Amid Global Credit

Bond Risk at Record on AIG's $441 Billion Counterparty Concern

Stocks in Europe, Asia Fall on AIG Debt Rating Cuts; UBS Drops

Numerian comments in a previous thread, after the jump:

At some point the market catches on. American International's shares already trade a few pennies north of $5 - just where Fannie Mae was before they collapsed. Once they cross below that line, there are all sorts of investment firms, mutual funds, hedge funds, which can't hold them in their portfolio because $5/share is their lower limit. Hence the rapid move down into pennies a share, where the market says effectively "you are bankrupt".

If this is what the market says, then if there are healthy subsidiaries with billions in customer deposits and an ability to pay claims to these customers as needed, there must be something else (like the parent company in this case) with losses that dwarf that of the subsidiaries. That's why you get all this fanciful talk of separating out the good bank from the bad bank, but this only works if the Fed or Treasury takes on the liabilities of the bad bank. And here we are talking about trillions of liabilities on paper in the collateralized debt swap and debt obligation market, something at least Timothy Geithner at the NY Fed is very familiar with and probably wants kept completely separate from the Fed balance sheet.

But in this case he seems happy to let the good bank and bad bank get all mixed up at AIG to buy time for some miracle loan to be created by the banking industry's survivors. If and when the loan does show up, even if it is tomorrow, it now seems that it will be used to allow AIG to be wound down in an orderly manner through the bankruptcy courts, while the derivatives market sorts through all the swaps and options on mortgage backed securities, and all the insurance guarantees made by AIG. Maybe the $75 billion will even be used to absorb all the losses caused by these derivatives, though you might remember just a month ago industry experts were telling us at most these losses would come to $15 billion. Just like Richard Bove, the analyst, was telling us the worst was over and a bottom had been reached on financial stocks. Funny how we all forget these things, because he is all over TV this week dispensing more wisdom as if he never said anything a month ago about a bottom.

Maybe also that line of credit will allow the good bank to be sold intact to Warren Buffett or someone who knows how to run an insurance company. Then there would be a favorable outcome to all this. But as the hours tick by and no loan materializes, with bankruptcy looming, it sure looks like those insurance premiums people paid in over the years, and the investments AIG put them into, are going to get swallowed up in derivatives losses. If that happens, the stock market will catch on, as will the general public, to the fact that your bank account is not safe anywhere. This is the type of panic that the authorities are toying with in trying to save AIG.

Indeed, more is coming.

Stirling Newberry:

I'm going to write more about this later today, but the root cause of this is a crisis of legitimacy. We had an illegitimate government installed in the the world's dominant economy in late 2000, early 2001. This illegitimate government stole an election, and intended to profit from it. Greenspan, Bush, and the Five were ideologically aligned in the belief that with appropriate action they could create a political climate where most Americans were beholden to the corporate ownership ssytem, and therefore would, ever afterwards, vote anything so long as they could hold on to their small part of the system. However, at the same time, this same political movement promised the ability to make the largest military gamble, quite possibly since the Confederacy engaged in an act of war against the remaining United States. Like that previous gamble, it has not worked out so well.

This is the fundamental contradiction: on one hand a political theory which rested on a conservative interlinking of a petit-bourgeois society, on the other hand, a vast casino where almost unlimited risks could be taken without being in any way hedged against. Both the leadership, and the public were participants in this internal contradiction.

The second crisis of legitimacy is a crisis of intellectual legitimacy. Since the 1970's government regulation of markets has been in disrepute, and the answer which was adopted was a stochastic monetary theory, derived from Mundel-Fleming, which essential argues that monetary policy is better than fiscal policy which is better than regulatory policy. Therefore, all other things being equal, downsize fiscal policy, or treat it as a net loss, and focus on monetary policy.

This theory has a problem, and it is one reason why a good Liberal like Krugman has been acting like a cheerleader for failure in Ben Bernanke. That problem is that there is no such thing as pure monetary policy per se. All monetary policy is regulation plus monetary policy, and it has a structural reality, that is money from monetary policy, contra the equations, does not appear everywhere all at once to everyone, but to some before others. With these factors taken into account, monetary policy is no better than, and can often be worse than, fiscal policy as a means of stimulus.

We are thus facing a crisis of currency, because it rests on a politically illegitimate system, one accepted by the participants for their own short term interests, and a crisis of intellectual legitimacy. Both of these run across the political spectrum.

What we are going to see now is more of the "crash of the peripheries." Shanghai is down 67% from it's peak... last year. Russia is down 50% from it's peak earlier this year. Japan, Hong Kong and other peripheries are about to be razed to the ground. This will be an excellent time to diversify into peripheries, but carefully, and once the turmoil is over. The center is going to be propped up, but how long is a very different question...


Sean Paul Kelley September 16, 2008 - 7:05am
( categories: Analysis | The Markets )

Bloomberg

Sept. 16 (Bloomberg) -- The cost of borrowing in dollars overnight more than doubled to the highest since 2001 as the collapse of Lehman Brothers Holdings inc. and credit downgrades of American International Group Inc. led banks to hoard cash.

The overnight dollar rate soared 3.33 percentage points to 6.44 percent today, its biggest jump, according to the British Bankers' Association. The rate was 2.19 percent a month ago and 2.15 percent last week. Lehman filed for bankruptcy yesterday after succumbing to mounting credit-market losses.

The credit squeeze deepened after American International Group Inc.'s debt ratings were downgraded by Standard & Poor's and Moody's Investors Service, threatening the company's efforts to raise emergency funds. The biggest U.S. insurer by assets is seeking $70 billion to $75 billion in loans arranged by Goldman Sachs Group Inc. and JPMorgan Chase & Co. to replenish capital, according to two people familiar with the situation.

``It's fear, you don't know who has exposure and who might not be getting their money anymore,'' Imke Jersch, a senior money-market trader in Hanover at Norddeutsche Landesbank Girozentrale AG, Germany's fourth-biggest state-owned bank. ``It's a domino effect. You never know who might fall next.''

more at the link

I did inhale.

Don September 16, 2008 - 8:38am

Check out this graphic, from Dear Bernanke, Warm up the helicopters

The 3 month Treasury Bill rate is an important fixed income security that I keep track of, not because I trade it but because it is a remarkably accurate gauge of panic in the equities markets. It is also very prescient in leading rate changes by the Federal Reserve board.


"Frankly, we've lost a lot in recent years." - General Colin Powell

Raja September 18, 2008 - 7:47am

They have a gift for understatement over at the Times...

Headline: A Sense That Wall St.’s Boom Times Are Over


"Frankly, we've lost a lot in recent years." - General Colin Powell

Raja September 16, 2008 - 10:13am

CNBC, By Charlie Gasparino, September 16

With a private sector solution looking highly unlikely, the government is once again considering providing American International Group with some sort of financial support a day after such a potential lifeline was denied, according to investment banking sources involved in the meeting.

The New York Federal Reserve is currently meeting to discuss the fate of the troubled insurance giant, these people say.

[...]

The Fed declinded to comment Tuesday on report that the government is in discussions on the situation of troubled insurer AIG.

However, a Treasury official told CNBC that the comments of Treasury Sectary Hank Paulson on Monday still stand.

On Monday, Paulson had said, "We do not take, and and I don't take, lightly ever putting the taxpayer on the line to support an institution ... Don't read it as no more; read it as that it's important, I think, for us to maintain the stability and orderliness of our financial system. Moral hazard is something I don't take lightly.''

Sources close to the situation said a private sector solution to AIG's situation is definitively dead.


It emerges that some people do not consider Mr. Gasparino to be credible.

Roubini has a summary which is dated today...

Therefore any rally from Fed actions today will be short lived. When Bear was rescued the financial market rally lasted two months; when in July the Fannie and Freddie legislation was proposed the rally lasted a few weeks; when the actual nationalization of Fannie and Freddie occurred a week ago the rally lasted only one day. The ability of policy authorities to prop financial markets is rapidly eroding as market participants perceive that policy makers are desperate and running out of options. At this point the perfect financial storm of the century cannot be contained. The only light at the end of the tunnel is the one of the coming financial and economic train wreck.


"Frankly, we've lost a lot in recent years." - General Colin Powell

Raja September 16, 2008 - 11:01am

AP story of the moment

"Stocks fluctuated Tuesday following a report that the government is considering extending aid to troubled insurer American International Group Inc. — the latest in a string of companies that investors worry could be undone by a shortage of cash.

But a CNBC report said the government is at least discussing extending a financial lifeline to the company; it cautioned that an agreement is far from certain and also that the company isn't likely to find help from the private sector. AIG fell $2.07, or 43 percent, to $2.69 after being down nearly 75 percent in earlier trading."

The message needs to be sent that if anyone decides to dine on a scoop of Ben and Henry's "Bailout Banana Split", the consequences to the company will be draconian, much akin to a Chapter 11 bankruptcy. The company can continue to operate, but under strict government controls and oversight.

Petronius September 16, 2008 - 11:10am

From CNN

MOSCOW -(Dow Jones)- Russian stocks suffered their worst day in 10 years Tuesday after fallout from Lehman Brothers' demise and concerns over banking sector liquidity prompted a fresh wave of brutal selling.

The benchmark dollar-denominated RTS index closed 11.5% lower at 1,131.12, while the more liquid, ruble-denominated MICEX shed 17.5% to 1,067.45. Amid the rout, both of Russia's major bourses suspended trading for an hour towards the close, the first time such a step has been taken since Russia's financial crash in 1998.

Petronius September 16, 2008 - 12:08pm

By Hugh Son

Sept. 16 (Bloomberg) -- American International Group Inc. investors led by former Chief Executive Officer Maurice ``Hank'' Greenberg may consider taking control of the insurer through a proxy fight or buyout.

(more at link)

Mark September 16, 2008 - 1:03pm

By Erik Holm

Sept. 16 (Bloomberg) -- The Federal Reserve is considering extending a ``loan package'' to American International Group Inc., the insurer facing a cash shortage, according to a person familiar with the negotiations.

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How many more times can we keep doing this instead of just taking our licks and reaching a bottom?

BuddhaSixFour September 16, 2008 - 2:21pm

until, having absorbed all our treasure, the doomed enterprises fail anyway.

"Too big to fail" is code for "the counterparties deserve that money more than working taxpayers do".

I'm guessing that the walking dead include not only those being whispered about at the moment, but other financial juggernauts whose survival has been taken for granted. Nobody's coming clean, and none of the regulatory bodies are forcing them to do so. There are many more surprises in store.

chalo September 16, 2008 - 2:50pm

DealBook Blog (NYT), By Michael J. de la Merced & Eric Dash, September 16 (5:24 PM)

The fate of the American International Group now lies with Federal Reserve, as the likelihood of a $75 billion credit line financed by a bank syndicate appears remote, people briefed on the matter said Tuesday afternoon.

It is not known whether the Fed would now change course and agree to provide an emergency infusion of capital to the cash-starved insurance giant, or what form such aid would take. If the Fed decides not to intervene, A.I.G. will likely file for bankruptcy by Wednesday, these people said.

In an intense discussion at the Federal Reserve Bank of New York Tuesday afternoon, the Fed and a group of executives from JPMorgan Chase, Goldman Sachs and other firms agreed that a banking syndicate to provide the $75 billion in emergency financing could not be arranged by Tuesday night.

If the Fed intervenes, it would be an eleventh-hour bailout of A.I.G., whose debt downgrades by major credit ratings agencies could have sparked a debilitating need for additional capital.

[...]

A.I.G.’s collapse seemed so imminent on Tuesday that the company hired the law firm Weil, Gotshal & Manges — which is also handling the Lehman Brothers bankruptcy — to draw up bankruptcy papers.


"Frankly, we've lost a lot in recent years." - General Colin Powell

Raja September 16, 2008 - 4:50pm

New York Times, By Michael J. de la Merced & Eric Dash, September 16

In an extraordinary turn, the Federal Reserve was close to a deal Tuesday night to take a nearly 80 percent stake in the troubled giant insurance company, the American International Group, in exchange for an $85 billion loan, according to people briefed on the negotiations.

All of A.I.G.’s assets would be pledged to secure the loan, these people said, and in return, the Fed would receive warrants that could be exchanged for an ownership stake. Stock of existing shareholders would be diluted, but not wiped out.

If the Fed takes a controlling stake, it is likely that it would want to replace A.I.G.’s board as well as its chief executive and chairman, Robert B. Willumstad.

The Fed’s action came after Treasury Secretary Henry M. Paulson and Ben S. Bernanke, president of the Federal Reserve, went to Capitol Hill on Tuesday night to meet with House and Senate leaders. Mr. Paulson called the Senate majority leader, Harry Reid, Democrat of Nevada, about 5 p.m. and asked for a meeting in the Senate leader’s office, which began about 6:30 p.m.

The Federal Reserve and Goldman Sachs and JPMorgan Chase had been trying to arrange a $75 billion loan for A.I.G. to stave off the financial crisis caused by complex debt securities and credit default swaps. The Federal Reserve stepped in after it became clear Tuesday afternoon that the banking consortium could not be able to complete the deal in time.


Hey! We're (perhaps soon to be) in the insurance biz!


"Frankly, we've lost a lot in recent years." - General Colin Powell

Raja September 16, 2008 - 7:24pm

Reuters, September 16

WASHINGTON - The top Republican on the U.S. Senate Banking Committee said on Tuesday the federal government should not step in with financial help for insurance giant American International Group Inc (AIG.N: Quote, Profile, Research, Stock Buzz).

Asked whether the government should provide a bridge loan or some other support for the company, which faces a liquidity crisis, Alabama Sen. Richard Shelby told reporters, "Absolutely not ... I hope that they will not bail out, or get a bridge loan, to AIG."

He added, "Where do you stop? Where do you draw the line?"


"Frankly, we've lost a lot in recent years." - General Colin Powell

Raja September 16, 2008 - 2:26pm

Reuters, September 16

WASHINGTON- U.S. Senate Banking Committee Chairman Christopher Dodd said on Tuesday that he is generally "skeptical" on any potential federal aid for troubled insurance giant American International Group Inc.

Asked about a possible government bridge loan or other support for AIG, the Connecticut Democrat told reporters he wants the Bush administration to consult with him before making a move one way or the other.

"I'm willing to listen. I'm skeptical...


"Frankly, we've lost a lot in recent years." - General Colin Powell

Raja September 16, 2008 - 3:49pm

Why doesn't the SEC (or any other Federal regulatory entity) simply say "Okay boys, you've had your fun. As of midnight Friday, all contracts for the following classes of toxic derivatives are hereby null and void"?

We really need to get the poison out of the system, no?

Petronius September 16, 2008 - 3:05pm

By Joseph A. Giannone

Goldman Sachs Group Inc (GS.N) said quarterly profit plunged 70 percent as the worst market slump in decades led to weaker-than-expected revenues, knocking the stock to its lowest level in nearly three years.

Still, the larger of the two major U.S. investment banks still standing, beat profit expectations on Tuesday, even as it recorded $1.1 billion in write-downs and losses from its principal investments. It was the biggest earnings decline since Goldman went public in 1999.

Goldman shares dropped 2.5 percent in afternoon trading.

The results upset investors during a week in which Lehman Brothers filed for bankruptcy and Merrill Lynch (MER.N) agreed to sell itself to Bank of America (BAC.N).

"People were hoping for some good news in a sea of gloom, and I don't think they got it," said Matt McCormick, portfolio manager and analyst at Bahl & Gaynor Investment Counsel.

Banks and brokers have recorded more than half a trillion dollars in write-downs over the past year as the U.S. mortgage crunch has widened into a full-blown credit crisis that shows no signs of abating.

Goldman so far has navigated the turmoil better than its peers, avoiding big write-downs. Yet Goldman executives acknowledged their business follows the global economy and right now conditions are grim.

In response, the company is playing defense -- hoarding capital and cash, and shedding risky assets.

"We've become even more cautious in our approach," Goldman Chief Financial Officer David Viniar told reporter

more

Tina September 16, 2008 - 3:59pm

While a weakening U.S. is taking fewer of our manufactured exports, and Canadian consumers have been hurt by higher gasoline costs, the economic damage in the real economy -- the one that underpins the banks -- has so far been contained.

..... If Ontario does trip into a recession, the banks will be sure to feel it. But not in the same way as their U.S. counterparts have.

In part, this is thanks to history. The U.S. pattern of independent investment banks has not been replicated here. Each of Canada's big banks has its own investment banking arm. If the latter find themselves in difficulty -- as Lehman did -- the bank will pick up losses as a matter of course.

The Canadian banks can do this because their balance sheets are generally much healthier. While the top six banks have to date written off $11.6 billion in bad money tied to U.S. debt instruments, most of this was the fault of just one financial institution -- the Canadian Imperial Bank of Commerce. The write-downs were a comparatively modest 10 per cent of the banks' combined equity and a much tinier fraction of the amounts written off in the U.S .

..... There are a number of explanations for this state of affairs, but a key one is that Canada's bankers have resisted copying the more aggressive U.S. financial institutions.

This stance might have been much more difficult had Canadian trade negotiators not consistently opposed the idea of opening up our financial services industry to greater foreign ownership.

For instance, had Lehman Brothers acquired control of a major Canadian bank under relaxed ownership rules, the ripple effect of its demise yesterday would would now be a scary thing.

..... No foreign individual or institution can acquire more than 10 per cent of a major Canadian bank, without the blessing of Canada's minister of finance.

As of June, the single biggest investor in Canada's big banks has been a mutual fund owned by one of the other banks -- usually no more than five per cent of total equity.

It's a family compact, in other words. And while this cozy reality has driven free traders to distraction, it also created a risk-averse culture.

..... As for the banks themselves, any financial weakness stemming from a recession is likely to be spread across a very wide number of customers. In the U.S., the mortgage mess was concentrated heavily on financial securities that proved dodgy -- thus undermining the very core of the banks' capital.

It's not that Canadian bankers lacked the imagination to invent such stuff. With some exceptions, they developed their art in an environment that disdained such dangerous alchemy.

Which is why the border became a financial firewall.


"While not a Playboy reader, she invites a male acquaintance in for a quiet discussion of Chagall, Nietzsche, jazz, sex." - not a Hugh Hefner quote

adrena September 16, 2008 - 5:02pm

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/aig_loan_dc

Fed to provide $85 billion bridge loan to AIG: source

The Federal Reserve will provide a roughly $85 billion bridge loan to AIG (AIG.N) and take a nearly 80 percent stake in the company, according to a source briefed on the matter.

CNBC earlier reported the bridge loan would be secured and that shareholders would be severely diluted by the bailout.

Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke, Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson and others were involved in the talks, CNBC said, adding that the bailout plan being negotiated "isn't a conservatorship."

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Is this the bridge-to-nowhere I've been hearing about?

AMC September 16, 2008 - 7:59pm
chalo September 16, 2008 - 8:26pm

nationalize all of our businesses?

Perhaps I'm not following this closely enough, but I thought nationalizing private businesses was something they did in Central America, or Argentina, or Chilean copper mines under Allende. Or Russia circa 1918.

I don't usually associate it with the neo-conservatism of President Cheney, Honorary President Bush, and the rest of the Rovians.

Did something get screwed up with the economy on their watch?

Perhaps I'm just confused, but I don't remember Bush promising an end to Wall Street as we knew it.

AMC September 16, 2008 - 9:58pm

the Bush Administration will be renamed the Vanguard of the Parole-tariat?

That would be almost as ironic as the fact that Bear Stearns, Lehman Brothers DIP, and Merrill Lynch contributed big money to get Bush elected so they could get those damn regulators off their backs and finally be able to earn the kinds of returns that businesses unhindered by regulation are capable of generating for their owners....

Yes, this administration has brought us a Brave New World indeed: “War is Peace” “Freedom is Slavery”, “Ignorance is Strength” and “Free Markets Include Bailouts.”

AMC September 16, 2008 - 10:34pm

"In many ways, bush's legacy will be that he cleaned up the economic hangover which clinton left us." - mrmx



"What we have here is, failure to communicate"

Rick September 17, 2008 - 6:03am

that the remedy for having had too much to drink was to go on a crack and airplane glue binge.

chalo September 17, 2008 - 8:28am

He's got Worst. President. Ever. pretty much sewn up in any conventional future scenario, so he's gone to betting the longshot - a communist take over of America - and is nationalizing industries in the hope that this will gain him a place as a visionary leader in the new USSA.

However, I don't know how thrilled the Proletariat is going to be with all of this: the "Workers Own The Toxic Mortgages Of Production" doesn't really have much a ring to it.....

AMC September 17, 2008 - 8:53am

Maybe opening the discount window to AIG, but taking them over and putting all their assets on the Fed balance sheet as collateral? It's really almost too ridiculous. What central bank takes an equity position in an insurance company? And what are Lehman employees to think?

When you put this whole picture together, going back to Bear Stearns, you begin to realize it is all about derivatives and protecting JP Morgan, Citibank, BOA and whichever other big players cannot afford to have systemic risk spread through CDOs and CDSs. This crisis is moving to the ludicrous stages, with the Treasury and the Fed stumbling around piling on the taxpayers' shoulders all these securities the market won't buy, and avoiding the losses the owners refuse to take.

It also looks increasingly as if the government is taking orders from Bill Gross, who issues self-serving advice so PIMCO won't take losses on its investments. How pathetic.

Numerian September 16, 2008 - 10:06pm

Honestly, at this point, the Fed is insuring all of the banks anyway, right? It might as well stop pretending it's not in the insurance business...

NateTG September 17, 2008 - 12:28am

I mean they are nationalizing an insurance company why not the health insurance companies?

"You have no respect for excessive authority or obsolete traditions. You're dangerous and depraved, and you ought to be taken outside and shot!" - Joseph Heller

Joaquin September 17, 2008 - 12:31am

Roubini has an interesting blog entry on the conundra inherent in the AIG takeover:

So this is the conundrum of the government intervention in AIG: it was made to avoid a disorderly collapse of AIG with the provision of short term liquidity; but in order to avoid short term creditors of AIG to run and be full on their claims you need to impose an effective stay on such claims; otherwise some creditors are bailed out (those with short term claims who can run) and some creditors are whacked even more (those with longer term claims that are junior to the government) and such short term creditors become effectively senior to the government. But if the government has to be truly senior relative to all of the creditors of AIG you need to impose a stay on all creditors. And if you impose such a stay you whack all creditors, you impose losses on all the AIG debt holders and you risk the systemic panic and disaster that you wanted to avoid in the first place.

And:

If we start bailing out those creditors of AIG (holders of bond insurance policies) we may as well nationalize also all of the other private monoline insurers. And we treat differently different bond insurers (we make whole those who bought bond insurance from a too big to fail AIG and we let go bust those who bought the same protections for a non-systemically important bond insurer) we exacerbate moral hazard as in the future no one will buy bond insurance protection from truly private and smaller bond insurers and everyone will buy it from large too-big-to-fail institutions such as AIG where such bond insurance comes now with the additional protection of an implicit government guarantee of insurance. So the US government may become – on top of the biggest insurer in the world with its takeover of AIG – also the biggest re-insurer in the world.


"Frankly, we've lost a lot in recent years." - General Colin Powell

Raja September 17, 2008 - 7:49am

11 U.S.C. Section 109(b)(2) prevents a domestic insurance company from filing a Chapter 7 bankruptcy. Section 109(d) defines (with certain exceptions not applicable to AIG) who may be a Chapter 11 debtor - and an insurance company is not a "person who may be a debtor under Chapter 7 of this title". So, no Chapter 11 for AIG, and therefore, no automatic stay.

I suppose Congress could create a law imposing a stay of some sort. But that'd be pretty Constitutionally shaky. There is a provision for Congress to create "uniform bankruptcy laws" - but this would be outside that authority, and would have a strong ex post facto flavor, trampling all over private contractual rights.

AMC September 17, 2008 - 9:02am

American International Group, Inc. which was contemplating filing bankruptcy is an insurance holding company and not an insurance company. The statute you cite is not applicable to it. There are a number of insurance holding companies that have filed for bankruptcy protection, Reliance Group Holdings, Inc., the parent company of the defunct Reliance insurance companies is an example. Actual insurance companies are regulated by their domociliary state regulators and insolvency proceedings regarding them are a matter of state law. This is the reason for the exception in the bankruptcy statute.


“I despise ideologues masquerading as objective journalists.” - Bill O'Reilly, March 30, 2007

Mark September 17, 2008 - 9:34am

the stay would only apply to the debtor: The holding company. I doubt that would be sufficient if the subs' assets were being picked off by creditors.

They could try to extend the stay under 105, but that's a tough argument even when the subsidiaries aren't specifically prohibited from seeking bankruptcy protection.

AMC September 17, 2008 - 9:45am

AFP, September 17

HONG KONG -- More than 1,500 insurance policies with the local subsidiary of troubled global giant American International Group Inc. (AIG) have been terminated in Hong Kong in two days, a radio station reported Wednesday.

The report by RTHK came just hours after the U.S. government announced an unprecedented $85 billion bailout for AIG in a bid to prevent a meltdown on global markets.

The radio station quoted government sources as saying that about 1,400 policies with subsidiary AIA in the southern Chinese territory had been canceled Tuesday, with another 170 policies terminated Wednesday.

There was a total of 1.95 million policies with AIA in Hong Kong, the broadcaster said.


"Frankly, we've lost a lot in recent years." - General Colin Powell

Raja September 18, 2008 - 6:34am

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