Either Sexist Or Racist, Take Your Pick


Once the race for the Democratic nominee was between Hillary and Obama it was only a matter of time, as I said then albeit in jest, before people laid out the charge, "your racist if you don't support Obama," and the obverse charge, "your sexist if you don't support Hillary."

Identity politics at its very best--now writ large by the New York Times:

Angered by what they consider sexist news coverage of Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton’s bid for the Democratic presidential nomination, many women and erstwhile Clinton supporters are proposing boycotts of the cable networks, putting up videos on a “Media Hall of Shame,” starting a national conversation about sexism and pushing Mrs. Clinton’s rival, Senator Barack Obama, to address the matter.

It was a no win situation, either way. Accept it people. It's a bogus charge. If Hillary were the nominee we'd be talking about how awful and racist we Americans are. Instead, we're all misogynists now!


Sean Paul Kelley June 13, 2008 - 8:44am
( categories: Analysis | USA: Campaign 2008 )

We're sexist and racist.

I did inhale.

Don June 13, 2008 - 8:57am

... that "we're all misogynists now!" hides the fact that we are in fact misogynistic(your term, sexist at least, not the same) and racist culturally. Your comment tends to wipe away the [reality that both exist in America today.]

I understand completely how many women could be angered enough to join together against what they perceive to be an insulting slap to the face. However, the only people I hear attaching blame for Hillary's loss to the reason for this anger is the media who is both facilitator of the sexist narrative and target of the anger it produced.

Even if some [of] those women feel Hillary['s] loss was due to sexism, a charge I don't agree with though recognize its deleterious impact, it doesn't make less true the veracity of the original claim that Clinton endured sexism. You're not helping.

[edited so it doesn't appear I slept through English class my entire educational career.]

ww June 13, 2008 - 9:11am

SP you've fallen for the media's bait and switch. This is not about Obama's candidacy but the ugliness of the American media.

quax June 13, 2008 - 10:22am

“Is not our first thought to go on the road? The road is our source, our vault of treasures, our wealth. Only on the road does the ‘traveller’ feel like himself, at home.”
Ryszard Kapuscinski

Sean Paul Kelley June 13, 2008 - 11:22am

... "we're all misogynists now!" was meant to be sarcasm. (and also that in one sense irony and sarcasm are synonyms)

It's this part that I took at face value:

"It was a no win situation, either way. Accept it people. It's a bogus charge. If Hillary were the nominee we'd be talking about how awful and racist we Americans are."

The bolded sentence minimizes the impact of both sexism and racism down to one of a whiny complaint with little merit. The last line, "we're all misogynists now!," I understood to be sarcasm laying blame for the charge at the feet of the NYT. I might have missed the transition in to irony. Was it all sarcasm?

I don't necessarily take it as true that you are right about the equivalence, either. I didn't see any Barack dolls dressed up as porter or 'porch monkey', but I sure saw the 'Hillary Nutcracker' sold in airports all around the country. I didn't ever hear the 'N' word used, but I sure heard the word bitch, witch, etc. It's more acceptable to be sexist than it is to be racist.

My point was that it wasn't [a] bogus charge so much as one made disingenuously for the purpose of hiding the truth of it. Your comment facilitated that effort, unless I misread you entirely, in which case I apologize but stand utterly confused.

ww June 13, 2008 - 12:12pm

- and I don't mean Fox or talk radio - to prove they were merely anti-Clinton rather than anti-woman. As adrena would say, "it don't look good" - the wingnuts are savaging Michelle Obama, and as the Senator remarked, it's bubbling up into the mainstream. There's little chance the bigs will take on Cindy McCain (although the more ignorant bloggers and commentors already have) - she's the white wife of a good ol' white "maverick" Senator who keeps her off the stump and sometimes calls her by pet names.

Michelle Obama's biggest problems are (1) her husband is black, (2) she is black, and (3) she's proud and outspoken. Raw meat for the wingnuts, "concern" for the media.

There is no question that commentators at every level of the Old and New media felt they had leave to unleash their anti-feminist grudges against Senator Clinton. Now, fewer but equally strident commentators appear to feel it's OK to unleash their anti-black grudges on Mrs. Obama.

We haven't reached the conventions yet, and it's already ugly. I would be amazed and proud if Senator McCain would condemn the rightwingnuts in strong, certain terms, and that Senator Obama would do likewise when the left tried to make Cindy McCain an issue.

I won't hold my breath.



Turn back to the Constitution - and
READ it.

Rick June 13, 2008 - 9:31am

Rebecca Traister, not a Hillary supporter, wrote a good piece for Salon. As they say, read the whole thing:

...

But underneath it all ran an unmistakable vibe, the loosening of a clenched resentment that it was a chick who had dared be confident about her ability to win, who had exercised infuriating control over the press, who had exerted uncomfortable and unrelenting dominion over her male competitors. When Clinton lost her grip, ever so slightly, over that dominion, there was a release of rip-roaring, rollicking fun at her expense.

She was, after all that inevitability, just a girl. A nerdy girl at that, and an ugly, hysterical one, the tabloids showed us, with freeze-framed images of her caught making unflattering faces. The words thrown around about her fizzed with ill-disguised misogynistic energy: In her presumptive defeat, Clinton suddenly was shrill, panicked, desperate, emotional. On ABC's blog, Jake Tapper wrote of her New Hampshire debate performance that while "bickering" with Obama about health insurance, Clinton "... well ... she got angry." Tapper didn't see her as mad "about an issue, so much, as about the fact that Obama is beating her ... Pundits will say that her tone made male voters recoil. And led some female voters to sneer." This was femininity on the edge -- the winner losing, and losing her marbles.

Then, of course, she cried. Or, more precisely, allowed her voice to crack and her eyes to well up. How much girlier can you get? Here were just some of the congested headlines: "Clinton Fights Back Tears," "Clinton Gets Emotional," "Hillary Gets Leaky."

Such joy was there at Clinton's devolving journey from the front of the pack back to the primordial stew of high-strung, overwrought femininity that even her opponent John Edwards, a man who built his candidacy in part with the support of progressive women, felt free to get in on the fun, reacting to Clinton's show of feeling by telling reporters that a president needs to demonstrate "strength and resolve."

The five days between Iowa and New Hampshire were discombobulating for anyone who had begun to get comfortable with the apparent ease with which American history had weirdly, smoothly made room for a female candidate. A woman had led the Democratic nominees for nearly a year with barely a whisper -- save for the occasional unflattering wrinkled photo -- of serious double-standard resistance from a nation that has yet to break its streak of white Christian guys sitting behind the Oval Office desk. It had all been so deceptively easy. But here were the buttoned-up white boys over at "Meet the Press" going all "Lord of the Flies" on her. Cintra Wilson called the spectacle "a little witch-burny," while Time's Michael Scherer blogged about a call he'd received from a conservative pundit who told him, "The witch is dead, and life is going to change." The pundits, Clinton's opponents, her colleagues -- they were making sport of Hillary's immolation. They were rolling in it. Exulting in it. It reeked of a particular kind of relief, relief from the guys who had thought they were going to have to hold their noses and get pushed around by some dame. They were behaving like men who had received a sudden and unexpected reprieve, and classily reacted by pulling down their pants and peeing on her.

And then ... people began to notice. In my circle, mothers in particular began to notice. My friends and colleagues told me of their despondent moms. Even my own, whose politics list far to the left of Clinton's, bowled me over by expressing her sadness about the treatment Hillary received. I think she was surprised herself as she confessed that she was "sad" about Iowa. "Whether or not it's Hillary," she said, "I just think this shows that any woman who's going to be aggressive enough to make a go of it is going to be too aggressive to be likable." ...

ww June 13, 2008 - 10:08am



Turn back to the Constitution - and
READ it.

Rick June 13, 2008 - 10:09am

Obama T-shirt flap hurts PTC restaurant>The Citizen -
A Peachtree City restaurant manager says her business is feeling the backlash from being erroneously associated with a controversial restaurant of the same name in Marietta.

Patricia Lowe of Mulligan’s says business has dropped off dramatically in the past few weeks, but it took a few days for them to figure out why.

The restaurant started receiving phone calls accusing the company of being racist, “and you should be ashamed of yourselves,” Lowe recalled. They couldn’t figure out what the callers’ beefs were at first, she said.

Then they put it together. The Peachtree City Mulligan’s was being blamed for the Barack Obama T-shirt stir caused by the Mulligan’s in Marietta, Lowe said.

At the height of the controversy, the Peachtree City business was getting about 30 calls a day, Lowe estimated.

“People were calling like crazy,” Lowe said, noting that the calls are now down to about 15 a day.

Management found out that the Peachtree City restaurant’s phone number and address was being listed on websites as being the store where the T-shirt controversy was taking place.

The controversy in Marietta was over T-shirts featuring a strong likeness of the Curious George children’s character, a monkey, with letters underneath reading, “Obama in ‘08.”
1."George Washington did not cross the Delaware for Capitalism," -Shmuley Boteach.
2.The Dems haven't punished the GOP enough, so you're going to reward the Republicans?

nymole June 13, 2008 - 9:12pm

here

I guess we'll see on this one.


1."George Washington did not cross the Delaware for Capitalism," -Shmuley Boteach.
2.The Dems haven't punished the GOP enough, so you're going to reward the Republicans?

nymole June 13, 2008 - 9:28pm

cuz I supported John Edwards--the white guy.

“Is not our first thought to go on the road? The road is our source, our vault of treasures, our wealth. Only on the road does the ‘traveller’ feel like himself, at home.”
Ryszard Kapuscinski

Sean Paul Kelley June 13, 2008 - 11:22am

To my knowledge no one has ever insinuated that you are sexist or racist. Krugman seems to see the problem, though he doesn't mention names:

"You can make a very good case that Barack Obama was the right person for the Democrats to nominate, and Hillary Clinton the wrong choice. But the way we got there was terrible. The raw sexism, in all too many cases coming from alleged progressives — see above [an odious Oliphant cartoon –ed] — was part of it. So, too, was the inability of many alleged progressives to see that the news media created the narrative of Hillary Clinton as race-baiter in much the same way that, 8 years ago, they created the narrative of Al Gore as congenital liar — by assembling a montage of quotes taken out of context and willfully misinterpreted."

ww June 13, 2008 - 3:55pm

"son, sarcasm is a very poor form of communication." That's all I meant in the last comment. I will, however, add this: I'm fairly certain (although I have been wrong in the past) that if Hillary were the nominee we'd be having a different conversation right now about how racism did him in.

I know you disagree with me. And on that note we'll simply have to agree to disagree on this one. Cool?

“Is not our first thought to go on the road? The road is our source, our vault of treasures, our wealth. Only on the road does the ‘traveller’ feel like himself, at home.”
Ryszard Kapuscinski

Sean Paul Kelley June 13, 2008 - 6:32pm

... and I left wiggle room. They're certainly capable. :)

ww June 13, 2008 - 6:53pm

she had to leave her house before she encountered racism. All she had to do was wake up in the morning to encounter sexism.


"While not a Playboy reader, she invites a male acquaintance in for a quiet discussion of Chagall, Nietzsche, jazz, sex." - not a Hugh Hefner quote

adrena June 13, 2008 - 7:01pm

Sean-Paul, it's not a bogus charge.
Consider this analogy: how you would feel if you were running for office and kept hearing yourself described in the media as a lazy drunken gabble-tongued lout, just because your background is Irish (or the media thought it was.)
Now, to carry the analogy a little further: you are proud of your Irish heritage, and you find it pretty insulting to be characterized as a drunken idiot. But how are you supposed to respond -- outrage? anger? Hey, you would be told, can't you take a joke? It's all in good fun, really, so just get a grip, have another drink (heh heh).
Then consider the situation of other Irish people when the media characterizes you and your candidacy in this way. If they oppose you, they're letting down the side, but if they defend you, they're are just being knee-jerk pro-Irish and therefore playing identity politics.
All in all, its just messed up. And the basic problem is the implication that the only aspect of your candidacy and your character worthy of media attention is your Irishness.
This is the situation that Hillary found herself in -- the media was obsessed with her gender, and turned every event and action into a referendum on her femininity. This is rapidly becoming the situation Obama is finding himself in, that the media is obsessed with his race, as though there is nothing else on which the public can evaluate him.

CathiefromCanada June 13, 2008 - 2:18pm

Please stop calling O'Reily & Hannity, lazy, loud mouthed, bigoted, drunken, sexist Irishmen. It's so rude.

Synoia June 15, 2008 - 9:38am

Hillary was my fourth or fifth choice of the candidates on offer, and by mid-April I was heartily sick of her campaign and wanted her gone.

But the whole season was an eye-opening education for me. Yes, there was quite a bit of racism around - very little of it from within the Clinton campaign, and none from the Clintons themselves. But it showed itself as racism must show itself these days: in dog whistles and in quiet double standards (like the late lamented Mr. Russert just naturally assuming that Obama, and Obama alone, of all the candidates, was required to repudiate the devil Belafonte, and then serially and repeatedly disavow every black public figure whose pronouncements some white person somewhere feels queasy about.) Anything more overt would have been slapped down in an instant.

But the sexism paraded itself in full battle dress, chortling and slapping itself on the back in jolly locker room camaraderie. I was appalled at how acceptable it all was to the media, and how little objection was raised on the Obama side of the left blogosphere. I hadn't realized how short a way we've come since Betty Friedan.

Consequently, as distasteful as I found Hillary's panders, tough guy rhetoric, and adoption of the Republican "elitist" meme, I felt plenty of sympathy for the supporters who wanted her to fight on and put all those knee-crossing, manhood clutching emcees of the cable circus in their place.

It's not to late for my man Obama to do it even now.

pt bridgeport June 13, 2008 - 10:00pm

and i'm in ww's camp, firmly. i too supported edwards, and as a black woman i'm not really worried about being told how sexist and racist i am. anyway, hrc got a raw deal. and i believe that bho is going to endure much the same, once the SCLM starts its inevitable push for their hero huggybear. sob, unlike edwards, who was pretty much "invisible" from day one.

chicago dyke June 14, 2008 - 9:27am

Masochist: "beat me!"
Sadist: "no!"

Synoia June 15, 2008 - 9:39am

since time began. A major contributor against women was the bible and dare I say, all forms of religion and, as well, most forms of government.

Sean...you just can't visualize the amount of animosity that is directed at women, unless you are one. More than 50% of the population are women, but despite their numbers, they lack power in every phase of society. Will the disparity ever be rectified? Perhaps, but not in my time on this planet.

Would I, if American, vote for Hillary--has nothing to do with her gender, but no I would not. My vote, if I had one, goes to Obama.

canuck June 14, 2008 - 12:25pm

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