Pelsoi To Clinton: It's Over?


From tonight's Nelson Report:

SUMMARY: House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, who also happens to be chairman of the Democratic National Convention in August, has put the Clinton Campaign on notice that taking the delegate fight to the convention "must not" happen.

And to make sure it doesn't? IF this weekend's DNC meeting fails to broker a deal on seating the Florida and Michigan delegates, and IF the DNC credentials committee likewise fails in late June...she will "intervene".

Sounds like a signal to fellow senior Democrats, especially the money folks, to step forward firmly when Obama reaches the "magic number" early next week (currently the AP says he needs just 45 delegates...but this could triple, depending on Saturday's negotiations).

The primary wars officially end next Tuesday...June 3. But maybe not.

So the "Clinton Rorschach test" continues...will "Billary" do the right thing? Who decides what that is? Or...will the Clinton's destroy the Democrat's chances in November? That's what seems to be at stake right now.

PELOSI/CLINTON...House Speaker Nancy Pelosi met with the editorial board of her home town paper yesterday, and told the San Francisco Chronicle that if she has to, she will "intervene" to prevent the Clinton Campaign from taking its fight to the Democratic National Convention, in late August.

Since Pelosi also chairs the Convention, and has been very careful not to weigh-in in public on the Clinton/Obama duel to the death, her words seem certain to focus the attention of Democratic Party leaders, and the remaining uncommitted Super Delegates, on the crisis now at hand.

Whether her warning of possibly irreparable harm to the Party's chances in November are accepted by "Billary"...or seem sufficiently fraught with risk to warrant a final rush to Obama by the Super Delegates...that's one big question today.

The AP reports that pending the outcome of Saturday's showdown on how to seat the Florida and Michigan delegations (which could add 200 or so additional delegates to the required majority for the nomination) Obama is now just 45 delegates away from clinching.

No question that the weekend voting in Puerto Rico, and the June 3 primaries, will give him that number regardless of what Clinton manages...that's the expert's prediction, and has been for weeks.

So the Clinton's have been mounting an increasingly strident campaign to change the entire structure of the decision-making process on "winning"...first, by claiming they have more popular votes( if you don't count the nearly impossible to count Obama caucus victories);

Second, changing the math on the agreed-upon measure of winning...the delegate count...including such means as organizing what may prove to be a mass demonstration outside the DNC meeting this weekend.

Gender politics in its most destructive form, one must fear. Whether cynically manipulated by Hillary is, at this point, irrelevant.

That spectacle is likely in the forefront of Pelosi's mind, as she contemplates how failure to resolve the fight could lead to a bloodbath at the Convention, one which would obviously risk pounding a nail in the Dem's coffin.

Not just Obama supporters now ask, is this what the Clinton's want? You just can't tell from the Clinton's words and actions to date whether they are prepared to even consider Pelosi's concerns, much less act on them.

In any event, Clinton's goal for now is to force seating all of the Michigan and Florida delegations, despite the inconvenient fact that they were selected in violation of rules the Clintons originally accepted.

The initial DNC staff recommendation is to follow the rules and only seat half...but Obama has signaled willingness to give Hillary more of what she's asking, despite the rules, if she will finally concede his victory.

So that leads to the existential questions, basically under the rubric "is Hillary the monster some Obamaites say?" (if she can't win, she will bring down the temple), or will she define her future in the Democratic Party, and her role in history, in a way which allows her to finally step aside.

Clearly Pelosi's remarks in the Chronicle indicate that the Speaker prefers the latter, and that she thinks it's time to say so in public.

That in turn tells you Pelosi and her advisors fear that in fact, the Clintons will NOT "do the right thing"...and that a debacle is about to occur unless the party's leadership, money people, et al get on the phone.

As we wrote last night, thinking about the mindset of the Clintons is a political and psychological Rorschach Test for all concerned...and the only folks enjoying the spectacle are Republicans (and of course, newsmedia types who love a good story).


Sean Paul Kelley May 29, 2008 - 6:26pm
( categories: Analysis | USA: Campaign 2008 )

... for their thunderous silence on her extremely disrespectful treatment by the Obama camp and supporters, the MSM and left wing blogs? This? Hillary: first Independent party president?

Democrats Defecting
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"While not a Playboy reader, she invites a male acquaintance in for a quiet discussion of Chagall, Nietzsche, jazz, sex." - not a Hugh Hefner quote

adrena May 29, 2008 - 7:58pm

Who? what? when? Please Adrena, elucidate.

Hillary has been disrespecting Obama since So Carolina: "one speech only", not able to take a 3 am call, mocking his message of hope. These were quite public and well known.

Zman1527 May 29, 2008 - 9:14pm

your repetitive questions and denials.


"While not a Playboy reader, she invites a male acquaintance in for a quiet discussion of Chagall, Nietzsche, jazz, sex." - not a Hugh Hefner quote

adrena May 29, 2008 - 9:43pm

But you did not. I posted three familiar examples that were in the msm for days each. Adrena, I see you and ww and sometimes Tina often posting about the misgony and disrespect directed toward Senator Clinton. But I have yet to see any of you post a clear and significant example of these, and sorry, postings on an obscure feminist website are not significant.

You lead this thread off with an allegation of "extreme disrespect". Why cannot you show the example or examples of said disrespect? I for one am not aware that they exist. So please for my education and for that of others who read this blog, you should post the evidence of this extreme disrespect.

Zman1527 May 30, 2008 - 9:14am

You lead this thread off with an allegation of "extreme disrespect". Why cannot you show the example or examples of said disrespect? I for one am not aware that they exist.

Google is your friend, sweetie. Hillary Clinton, disrespectful and misogyny, produced 67.000 results. Please peruse at your leisure.

BTW, google is not an obscure search engine.


"While not a Playboy reader, she invites a male acquaintance in for a quiet discussion of Chagall, Nietzsche, jazz, sex." - not a Hugh Hefner quote

adrena May 30, 2008 - 9:25pm

You started this off with claim of extreme disrespect and you cannot back it up. You could take the effort to find, clip, and post and nice graphic but you cannot take the time to describe anything whatsoever that backs up you claim? Telling me to google is thoroughly unconvincing. I just googled "The earth is flat" and 67,000 hits also.

I believe that a lot (not all) of the supposed misgony and disrespect that the Clinton supporters see is all in their heads. They are losing the game and blaming the refs, the weather, etc etc

Zman1527 May 31, 2008 - 10:35am

anyone who has abandoned his or her search for a meaningful life could also take the time to peruse the 144,000 Google hits for ""Barack Obama" disrespect racism" or the 644,000 hits for "Clinton assassination comment".

Now what's this fuss about "disrespect"?

Chickadee May 31, 2008 - 11:50am

... but those are not the topics under discussion.


"While not a Playboy reader, she invites a male acquaintance in for a quiet discussion of Chagall, Nietzsche, jazz, sex." - not a Hugh Hefner quote

adrena May 31, 2008 - 2:26pm

You could take the effort to find, clip, and post and nice graphic but you cannot take the time to describe anything whatsoever that backs up you claim?

I have posted numerous clips, articles, nice graphics and comments on this issue. You will find answers to all your questions in my previous posts. AMEN!


"While not a Playboy reader, she invites a male acquaintance in for a quiet discussion of Chagall, Nietzsche, jazz, sex." - not a Hugh Hefner quote

adrena May 31, 2008 - 2:22pm

Sean,

Wipe the water from behind your ears.

Pelosi and Reid have enabled Bush II by deed and word, their word means squat to real Dems.

I don't like Hillary and Barak for EXACTLY the same reason.

Are bloggers trying to destroy the Democratic party?

Maybe your work will serve a larger purpose, by giving the rich liberals the Democratic party maybe we could create a space for a party that represented working People?

Sean thanks for reminding why beltway Dems suck.

S Brennan May 29, 2008 - 11:21pm

You go to the polls with the candidate you've got, you don;t go to the polls with the candidate you wished you had.

Pelosi & Reid = Enough Rope Theory?

Or the Republican have to be seen as their own worst enemies?

We'll have to see what GWB does with pardons, what the next administration does about the profiteering & crimes, and what the next congress wants to dig up.

To give the next administration & congress a chance we are going to have to elect them.

Synoia May 30, 2008 - 1:00am

So much negativity here. Yuk.

jtruett May 29, 2008 - 11:25pm

Chickadee May 31, 2008 - 11:33am

don't you wish these damn CLinton supporters would just shut up. Wouldn't you love to have a switch that could turn off the misogyny strategy and erase it from the history books? Afterall, it's lost its usefulness. Unfortunately, human beings don't work that way. Wounds are deep ... ignoring or denying it will only make them deeper.


"While not a Playboy reader, she invites a male acquaintance in for a quiet discussion of Chagall, Nietzsche, jazz, sex." - not a Hugh Hefner quote

adrena May 31, 2008 - 2:33pm

It's called being a Canadian, and I am damn glad for it. I'll be even happier when we turf out the Bush "yes men" presently holding the reins of power in Ottawa.

As far as the writing of American history is concerned... again, Adrena, you must be mistaking me for someone who cares.

Chickadee May 31, 2008 - 10:33pm

"Could I have a wakeup call for October 1st, please? Thanks. 'Night."


"The best-informed man is not necessarily the wisest. Indeed there is a danger that precisely in the multiplicity of his knowledge he will lose sight of what is essential."

- Dietrich Bonhoeffer

Escher Sketch May 30, 2008 - 1:01am

is there a particular time you want set? I was thinking November myself :)

Tina May 30, 2008 - 5:28am

I might not be able to tear myself away from the clash of parties during the by-now-traditional Oktober Surprise Season.

That''ll be less like watching someone you care about struggling with Alzheimer's; it'll become more entertaining, like watching "Alien Vs. Predator".

You know - they're both vicious and cunning and violent, and then you get the mask off and holy crap, there's not all that much to choose between them for sheer ugly - but the world's at stake, and despite yourself you do feel somewhat more kinship with the slightly more recognizably humanoid of the two antagonists.


"The best-informed man is not necessarily the wisest. Indeed there is a danger that precisely in the multiplicity of his knowledge he will lose sight of what is essential."

- Dietrich Bonhoeffer

Escher Sketch May 30, 2008 - 5:52pm

what are you passionate about? You once professed (in a post way, way back) that despite being Canadian, you're more interested in American politics (except the democratic primary election, I suppose).

Just curious.


"While not a Playboy reader, she invites a male acquaintance in for a quiet discussion of Chagall, Nietzsche, jazz, sex." - not a Hugh Hefner quote

adrena May 30, 2008 - 9:13pm

I'm passionate about many, many things, and I keep my own counsel on most. My recent taciturnity here is not a sign of lack of passion; it's an indicator that I'm absorbed pursuing other passions elsewhere.

I have little to say about the primary fight except "keep a sense of perspective and don't bloody each other to the point of weakness and division - the real fight begins later".


"The best-informed man is not necessarily the wisest. Indeed there is a danger that precisely in the multiplicity of his knowledge he will lose sight of what is essential."

- Dietrich Bonhoeffer

Escher Sketch May 30, 2008 - 11:58pm

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