To Recruit Conservatives Into Academia We Need Socialism!


What do you do when there are not enough laissez-fare loving, personal responsibility professing and family values fundies at your university? You make it more socialist:

The research led the Woessners to conclude that if higher education wants to attract more conservatives to the professoriate, it should smooth the way financially, offering subsidized health insurance and housing for graduate students, and adopting family-friendly policies for professors.

Conservatism, when socialism is too good for anyone but yourself!

Never mind that their research indicates what everyone has known all along:

For example, liberal students reported valuing intellectual freedom, creativity, and the chance to write original work and make a theoretical contribution to science. They outnumbered conservative students two to one in the humanities and social sciences — which are among the fields most likely to produce interest in doctoral study. Conservative students, however, put more value on personal achievement and orderliness, and on practical professions, like accounting and computer science, that could earn them lots of money.

As if we didn't already know this.


Sean-Paul Kelley February 20, 2008 - 2:46pm
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are not compatible. Besides, no true conservative would put in the hours required to succeed in academia, given the relatively low pay. Also, it's just not what conservative dads would "advise" their sons.

creativelcro February 20, 2008 - 4:22pm

Never mind that on a trivial level much of what's quoted is bullshit. I'm thinking of people interested in computer science. Prior to Bill Gates it was generally thought that computer programs shouldn't be owned but instead given away. If there was money to be made it was in support of some hardware. There's also something called the Internet, which only now, with the mega-multi-national-corporate entities moving in, that the Internet is taking on qualities of Big Brother. We used to think of the Internet as empowering equally. The very strength of the left blog world is that its users tend to be more free thinkers than followers.

But the fundamental bullshit is the meme that colleges and universities don't have enough conservatives and should be forced to correct that flaw. Why is that? Why don't we recognize that corporate directorships don't have enough liberals and have repeated calls for correcting that real flaw? Is it any coincidence that the current corporate habit of eating its own, devouring its income producing sections in trimming down to increase profits, is not only not liberal, but not logical or good business?

News organizations with 20% profit margins are considered to be bad investments and must be sold and have the heart, soul, guts and muscle of their existence removed in some supposed necessary correction to produce better profits. The only ones that benefit are the board members who conveniently provide for themselves golden parachutes that are even insured in case the business should go bankrupt. I wonder what they do when the insurance companies go bankrupt, but then it's not as if the tens or even hundreds of millions they pay themselves leaves them all that dependent on their pension plans.

But let's continue to accept the meme that academia is too liberal. Time to recruit children to report every thought that isn't self-centered. But then who would be left to raise and nurture children? The state? Nah. That could be privatized too. Brownshirt University?

Amos Anan February 20, 2008 - 4:30pm

Prior to Bill Gates it was generally thought that computer programs shouldn't be owned but instead given away.

Sorry, I have to call bullshit on this. IBM, at the time the leading computer company, started fee based licensing (not selling) programs (PPs or Program Products) for a fee in the early '70s, before Bill got to high school.

Synoia February 20, 2008 - 7:53pm

"Never mind that on a trivial level much of what's quoted is bullshit. I'm thinking of people interested in computer science. Prior to Bill Gates it was generally thought that computer programs shouldn't be owned but instead given away."

Well to be perfectly accurate, 40 years ago, there were people who made a nice living from selling specialized software. But in general, hardware wasn't inter-operable (e.g. you could run OS/360 only on IBM hardware not on your Univac 1108 or your CDC 6600, and if you forked over the megabuck or so for the hardware, the software was thrown in as part of the deal).

Computer professionals back then were mostly a liberal lot. Heck, in my department at Control Data, almost everyone could play a musical instrument--and a few alternated working with big iron with playing professionally.

Sometime around 1980, that all changed, it seems to me. We started to seeing people who were in computers because it was good money, not because they actually loved the art.

Petronius February 20, 2008 - 7:56pm

Nicholas DeB Katzenbach joined IBM as General Counsel in January 1969. One of his efforts was to explain to the IBM Management that selling hardware with free software was "bundling," and an illegal tie-in sale.

In June 1969, IBM announced an extensive plan to unbundle. The plan included a three percent decrease in computer prices coupled with separate charges for training customer personnel, for some software, and for other services.

Synoia February 20, 2008 - 9:05pm

On IBM's microcode machines 370/135, 370/145 there were IBM 1401 and IBM 1440 emulators. There were also emulators for ICL and Honeywell machines, so the OS could run on IBM hardware.

Tape conversions, of which I did many, were surprisingly hard.

Synoia February 20, 2008 - 9:08pm

IBM 650 simulators were available for some non-IBM machines (Univac?) as well as for several IBM systems (7070, 1401, etc.).

But the S/360 had lots of emulation packages. I recall packages for the 7080 and 7070 as well. I think I even saw a setup where the S/360 was running in 1401 emulation mode running a 650 simulator.

But IBM got your business regardless. Cross-corporate system software use was pretty much unknown. Even the Spectra 70 ran RCA's own OS, though it could run S/360 user programs--and was also microprogrammable.

I recall a firm called Two Pi was making S/360 compatible boxes during the 70's, but I don't know if they ran IBM OS software.

Petronius February 21, 2008 - 1:24am

Like RECFMT=U, where the block header had the microcode to read the rest of the block. Shudder.

GordonMcMillan February 21, 2008 - 11:06am

It wasn't all that long ago I came across a 360 code card I had saved. *Shudder* I ran it through the shredder. MVO this!



Turn back to the Constitution - and
READ it.

Rick February 21, 2008 - 12:57pm

The point about Bill Gates was that he set a standard that he followed and others then took up very seriously. (At this point one can only marvel at the naivete of IBM in thinking that someone like Gates would actually work to end his own domination of an industry - the PC world - and give IBM control through OS/2. Who today would think something like that would ever happen? And that was more than ten years after the beginning of Gates' association with IBM.) Sure, even at the time of the young Gates who got very pissed off when he found that his Basic code was being casually distributed, there was CPM and WordStar and Dan Bricklin's VisiCalc. But it was Gates that changed the paradigm.

I could have used other examples from the computer science domain. The obvious one being the GPL and all the software developers that produce superb code for everyone to use both free as in beer and free as in freedom. I'm using Firefox to post this.

Amos Anan February 20, 2008 - 10:19pm

Gates did not have control of the PC world until he outsmarted the IBM guys (who thought this PC stuff was a flash in the pan). It's by out-negotiating IBM (and Dr-DOS) that he got control.

No, it wasn't a new paradigm. It was applying the Safeway or Walmart paradigm in an industry populated by naive idealists.

I'm not really defending Gates. Until he retired (and he's shown eminently good sense since then) he was an asshole. But most industries are nothing but assholes, so it really doesn't do any good to single him out.

GordonMcMillan February 20, 2008 - 11:14pm

Gary Kildall was selling CP/M long before Gates was selling his ripoff of it. There were lots of software vendors before BG, both in the micro and mini and mainframe world.

What made Microsoft's fortune was not the idea of unbundling, but quite the reverse--the idea that one could actually get a vendor to agree to a license that forced said vendor to charge the customer for a Microsoft operating system whether the customer wanted one or not.

Prior to that time, one generally only paid for an operating system if one actually wanted one. Microsoft understood the chicken-and-egg situation very well--if a manufacturer wanted to be competitive with the likes of IBM and offer MS-DOS or Windows, one had to sign a contract with the devil.

I seem to recall that Microsoft didn't start selling MS-DOS as a separate item in their own Microsoft-branded box until about MS-DOS 5.0.

Petronius February 21, 2008 - 1:45am

That was downright righteous! I almost came outta my chair.

This idea was touched on in Bill Moyers interview with Susan Jacoby:

BILL MOYERS: You claim that right-wing intellectuals are dangerous because they have command of the vocabulary that makes wishful thinking sound rational.

SUSAN JACOBY: Uh, first of all, there are right-wing intellectuals. But one of the great successes of the intellectual right, is that they have succeeded brilliantly during the last 20 years at pinning the intellectual label solely on liberals so that a lot of people think that to be an intellectual means that you are a liberal alone. And one of the reasons that I think that right-wing intellectuals are so dangerous is they've been so clever at doing this. They've been much more clever than liberal intellectuals have been.

There is much more, of course. About many subjects. They are disussing her new book,THE AGE OF AMERICAN UNREASON, in this video.

ww February 20, 2008 - 4:47pm

a huge part of the conservative takeover has been just this kind of 'organized socialism' i.e. propping up a coterie of ne-er-do-wells in the thinktank sphere so that they can fill all available slots, get chits for security clearances and so forth.

they have all these little programs set up all over the place to train up more conservatives, from the high school level onwards. the Left only has a bunch of strings-attached foundation-financed slots available, and not surprisingly those generally go to the squares (peter Beinarts and so forth). This is typically labeled the Soros-sphere or whatever. Soros-bankrolled thingys definitely have some impact in minnesota (minnesotamonitor.com).

that my friends is where left gatekeepers and right wing hordes come from. Roughly.
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Hongpong.com

HongPong February 20, 2008 - 4:48pm

...that bastion of scholarly integrity, the American Enterprise Institute.

Proceed with caution.

Mr. Flibble February 20, 2008 - 6:48pm

Here's a little good news on this.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/02/20/MNABV5LHM.DTL
Yes the Hoover is there but this campus is anything but Con.

jo6pac February 20, 2008 - 10:01pm

for college republicans :D

Tina February 20, 2008 - 11:48pm

Poor guys, they need a break :)

creativelcro February 21, 2008 - 1:28am

Interesting right -left continuum represented in the Woessner's marriage. He is a Rush Limbaugh lover,and gets his news from Fox. She is a Democrat. Not a Noam Chomskyite, someone who gets her news from IndieMedia or Democracy Now. So their great compromise is to tune out Rush (and he is a professor?) and videotape Fox? Get real, it is obvious who is running the show in this household. Why not alternate Fox with Democracy Now?
There is no mainstream left equivalent to Fox and Rush. Thats what clues me in that these people are full of the proverbial hot air.

peon February 21, 2008 - 12:03am

in divergent as opposed to convergent thinkers. Definition of divergent thinking, “What people rely on when an answer is not known as opposed to convergent=learned responses.” So if people are needed that are able to think outside the box, Liberal ideologies more closely fits the bill for novel ideas, offering ‘many’ and unique solutions to complex problems. When you need to get solutions to financial problems, those with conservative ideologies will supply answers based on known solutions. Just don’t expect those attracted to Conservative ideologies to come up with ‘flexible’ solutions.

canuck February 21, 2008 - 2:37am

thinking about you the other day and wondering where you had gone off to!

“Is not our first thought to go on the road? The road is our source, our vault of treasures, our wealth. Only on the road does the ‘traveller’ feel like himself, at home.”
Ryszard Kapuscinski

Sean-Paul Kelley February 21, 2008 - 10:23am

I see:

Tina February 21, 2008 - 11:48am

She'll be finished her studies by the end of April, I think.

adrena February 21, 2008 - 11:51am

maybe you can help me understand somethig that confused me to no end. why are republicans (most politicians actually, but republicans in perticular) so afriad of the S word? their idea of socialism is welfare, which doesn't work at all because it's not a socialist idea...it's white guilt.

why are they so afraid of injecting socialist ideas into our form of capitalist democracy?

i think there are two reasons, but i may be way off here;

1) most of those types are too close-minded, short-sighted, and have an extremely limited point-of-view to introduce change into a system that's clearly falling down around them.

2) those who know how well we would do as a people under a more socialist government also realize that their riches would be spread among the population as that would be the only fair thing to do. while most decent humans have no problem with that idea, the greedy dislike it very much.

ideas? other reason socialist thought is concidered poison to democracy?

Stranger0nFire February 21, 2008 - 1:21pm

Whose Freedom, though often tiresomely pedantic, does a good job on this. It's the myth of Individual Responsibility - accepting help makes you weak and shows you have no moral character. Which is part of the Strict Father morality - if you do exactly as Daddy (or Rudy Guiliani) says, then you are being Good and Responsible, so good things will happen.

No, it's not logical. It's a bunch of people scared to death (sometimes with good reason) of finding out who they really are.

GordonMcMillan February 21, 2008 - 5:46pm
Tina February 22, 2008 - 1:34pm

...unless you like banging your head on the desk.

GordonMcMillan February 22, 2008 - 2:42pm

hehehe, dont' worry, I won't - eom

adrena February 22, 2008 - 2:44pm

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