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Look, I don't like McCain, but I am so sick of the infantilizing gotcha mindset of the media. Who cares if McCain had an affair? I don't. I want to talk about issues. I hate this. Welcome to American politics, circa 2008.
the Enquirer didn't snap the story up first. It seems others have ran amok with the story, you would think they would learn by now.
over the years comes away with two impressions.
First, the guy has the weirdest most mercurial temper you have ever encountered. His eyes turn dark and he looks as if he were going to kill you. He goes absolutely berserk and you will do everything in your power for him not to flip out. He is scary angry. This issue will definitely come out, it does every time he is in the public eye.
Two, the guy has such a long history of being bought and sold by special interests that he does not even know he is doing it. He is one of the Keating five, trading deregulation in S&L for political donations and favors.
The New York Times story isn't about a romantic relationship, it's about McCain using his political power for this woman's petty special interest clients. Go down the list, read the article. McCain would do pretty much whatever this woman wanted. I can imagine her flying in his jets and basically giving him lists of what she wanted him to do. He wrote letters for her, made policy, pressured the FCC, whatever she wanted.
McCain is the worst of the political establishment. He is the essence of misused power, of petty earmarks, of foolish policy that is based on nothing other than a political check.
It's sad and it should come out. He has 100 more stories like this one.
but I don't think that's what they're really going after. By tomorrow it'll be more about lobbying than sex.
trying to make him look virile...a couple viagra ads should take care of that. lol
I did not think of that.
After what the Repubs and the media did to Bill Clinton, it is only fair that any Republican talking about high standards be expected to be REALLY clean in that department. Affairs are unethical, be definition (sorry if I offend people who might be having one and are desperately trying to rationalize it so that they can live with themselves). If McCain keeps pushing the ethics BS (how about family values?), I think it is fair game to look into how ethical a person he really is. Same for gay politicians who are homophobic in public. That said, yes, the NYT should spend at least as much time on the issues.
McCain had an affair.
I care that he had an affair while voting to impeach the President for having an affair.
I care that he had an affair with a telecom lobbyist and then voted for retroactive immunity from crimes for telecom companies.
But, generally, I do care if a politician who talks about ethics and conservative family values has an affair. To me, it says that person is a hypocrite. The major conflict of interest McCain seems to have had makes things much worse, obviously.
If he was boinking some random woman, yeah, fine, I don't want to hear about it. But if he been doing it with a lobbyist and then carrying her water in the Congress, we've got a big problem.
it would have been unethical for a "family values" pushing guy. Remember, the Republican 'dirt finding' machine will be out in full force on Obama. So yes, this definitely needs to be made an issue. (Imagine the uproar over Hillary if they found out she had had an affair. Unthinkable! She would not have been able to even continue campaigning for the presidency)
It's the soul-killing lack of romance. Consider Boom-Boom McCain sacking out with a pretty blond lobbyist that looks like a younger version of his own wife.
Does sex for government contracts sound romantic to you?
Me neither. Now, you take a young, sexy intern with nothing to offer but a good blowjob...nah, that doesn't sound too romantic, either.
Can't these guys get it up unless there's something morally reprehensible about it?
"Adapt or perish." Murphy's Law? Nope, Darwin's Guarantee.
sacking out with a pretty blond lobbyist is enough to give one PTSD!
i was zoned out on msnbc when this came on, and Pat Buchanan was all over how apparently the NYT sat on this story, which they had since December. they could have dropped it on McCain on the eve of Iowa but decided not to. If you think that BJs are a weird exchange of favors, what is the NYT-McCain yank-the-story exchange??
But yeah i would have preferred something less dumb. Additionally it has put 'Keating Five' into a higher level of awareness in the media. -- Hongpong.com
Personally, I came away with a much different feeling from that article. It strikes me as wishful thinking, and perhaps a little naive to express such a complaint about American politics. John Kerry tried to stay above the fray in 2004 and look what we got: the Swiftboat Veterans for Truth. And the same people who funded them will be funding the smear campaign against Obama or Clinton, whoever becomes the Democratic nominee. What we need is the full story about McCain, what are his strengths and weaknesses. Yes, I think the sexual conduct of those who have accused others' conduct is relevant. But, that article was about more than just sex. To me, it was about McCain using his position to do favors for wealthy friends and lobbyists, which I find important considering his reputation as being a fighter against such corruption. And don't you think it will be important to know all the details about McCain when he goes after the Democratic candidate on the same grounds of which he himself is guilty, if not more so? Yes, it would be nice if politics could stay out of these gutters. Oh, wouldn't it be nice?
This is more likely to help McOld than hurt him.
How so? eom
and play being victimized by the liberal media. For what we know, the NYT was set up. I sure hope they can find proof for their claims.
The corporate Bushies won't care; they do it themselves. The religious Bushies won't care unless it was a guy. The rest of the base will be thinking "I guess he isn't as old as I thought." IOKIYAR.
Plus, McCain gets to rail at the evil liberals for a couple of weeks.
Its about corruption. Besides that fact that the Republican Party seems to attract more than its fair share of womanizers, philanderers, cross-dressers, closet homosexuals, and public sex seekers, as Demosthenes says:
"He's not just receptive to corporate lobbyists, he's intimate with them."
definitely about the corruption with the advantage of using an Enquirer type teaser headline. If the sex stuff turns out just to be hyped people will then just blow off the meat of the article.
.. that got the story written in the first place. But with a battle for the nomination in process I don't expect Huckabee or party antagonists to let any of this go.
illicit sex is always a juicy political attention getter.
risks the credibility of the corruption story by leading with a sex angle that might just be hyped? Oh, NYT stupid me ..:)
to get the public to read the rest of the story about the corruption. After seven years of Bush scandal-a-day, the voters' eyes glaze over when they read a headline about another corruption scandal. Corruption has become the accepted standard for the Republican Party. It's what they do.
But, sex, now that's something a little different, something with a little sizzle in it. So, the voter start to read about the sex and comes to find out that it might have been sex and corruption too. And the corruption is definitely confirmable. McCain can't deny the letters, nor the business association with the lobbyist, since documentable air travel records exist. That enable whoever his Democratic opponent to tattoo Bush on McCain's forehead for every independent and remaining moderate Republican voter to see. McCain == Bush. If you like the Iraq War, the corruption, the destruction of America, vote McCain.
For kickers, just taunt McCain with this scandal on the campaign trail and watch him explode. He's only got to do it once and the refrain will pop up: "In your guts, you know he's nuts."
During the campaign, and show to the entire world the real nut he is.
I have been waiting for him to explode too, it is the only time he loses that casper look.
:)
The sex stuff is baloney, it's always the first thing the press goes after. In my opinion what's important, is the full "nature" of the relationship. Did Mr. McCain provide official government favoritism, contracts, access etc., because the relationship existed?
So if anyone tries to make anything of it it's "old news" later on. Same thing they did with the Bush drunk driving/cocaine abuse/ AWOL stories.
1986: McCain was yelling at the top of his lungs and poking the chest of a young Republican volunteer who had set up a lectern that was too tall for the 5-foot-9 politician to be seen to advantage, according to a witness to the outburst.
"Here this poor guy is thinking he has done a good job, and he gets a new butt ripped because McCain didn't look good on television," Jon Hinz told a reporter Thursday. At the time, Hinz was executive director of the Arizona Republican Party.
1993: A Republican Phoenix City Councilwoman, Dubs, was presenting to a group including McCain about a proposed regional airport that was to be located between Phoenix and Tucson. Phoenix wasn't happy about an airport that would compete with Sky Harbor International, recalled Dubs, then on the City Council.
"I was a newcomer in politics, and maybe not having as much finesse as the old-timers had, I said, 'You know, the question that comes to my mind, that my constituents would ask me, is, 'How much property do your relatives own in Casa Grande?' " Dubs said.
That's when McCain grew angry. "He slammed his fist to the table and stood up and said this meeting is over," she said. "Then he pointed his finger at me and started calling me names." His staff was pulling him back, when he lunged forward as if he were trying to swing at her. They were desperately trying to get him to sit down.
1994: Grassley, the Iowa Republican, the hottest disagreement took place when the two got into a heated argument in 1992 over McCain's contention that a former prisoner of war in Vietnam had been a 'traitor.' McCain peered closely into Grassley's face and shouted obscenities at his Iowa colleague at the top of his lungs, according to reports.
Grassley, asked whether the reports were accurate, acknowledged the feud and said: "We didn't speak for a couple of years."
Spring 2007: Texas Senator Cornyn: In a heated dispute over immigration-law overhaul, McCain screamed, "F- - - you!" at Texas Sen. John Cornyn, who had been raising concerns about the legislation.
"This is chickens- - - stuff," McCain snapped at Cornyn, according to several people in the room off the Senate floor Thursday. "You've always been against this bill, and you're just trying to derail it."
Surprised by McCain's foul-mouthed broadside, Cornyn told him he was "out of line."
"I know more about this stuff than anybody in this room," McCain added.
Fall 2007: McCain erupted out of the blue at the respected Budget Committee chairman, Pete Domenici, saying, "Only an a--hole would put together a budget like this." Offended, Domenici stood up and gave a dignified, restrained speech about how in all his years in the Senate, through many heated debates, no one had ever called him that. Another senator might have taken the moment to check his temper. But McCain went on: "I wouldn't call you an a--hole unless you really were an a--hole."
There's fifty more stories like this one. Can you imagine this guy as President of the United States?
you definitely want a foul mouthed misfit with anger management issues to become Commander in Chief with access to the biggest nuclear arsenal the world has ever known.
AP February, 2008 by Libby Quaid
WASHINGTON - Temper, temper.
Republican John McCain is known for his. He's been dubbed "Senator Hothead" by more than one publication, but he's also had some success extracting his hatchet from several foreheads.
Even his Republican Senate colleagues are not spared his sharp tongue.
"F-you," he shouted at Texas Senator John Cornyn last year.
"Only an a- would put together a budget like this," he told the former Budget Committee chairman, Senator Pete Domenici, in 1999.
"I'm calling you a f- jerk!" he once retorted to Iowa Senator Chuck Grassley.
With Cornyn, he smoothed things over quickly. The two argued during a meeting on immigration legislation; Cornyn complained that McCain seemed to parachute in during the final stages of negotiations. "F-you. I know more about this than anyone else in the room," McCain reportedly shouted.
Cornyn chuckled at the memory of what he called McCain's "aggressive expressions of differences." The Texan has endorsed McCain.
"He almost immediately apologized to me," Cornyn said last week. "I accepted his apology, and as far as I'm concerned, we've moved on down the road."
The political landscape in Arizona, McCain's home state, is littered with those who have incurred his wrath. Former governor Jane Hull pretended to hold a telephone receiver away from her ear to demonstrate a typical outburst from McCain in a 1999 interview with the New York Times.
McCain has even blown up at volunteers and, on occasion, the average Joe.
He often pokes fun at his reputation: "Thanks for the question, you little jerk," he said last year to a New Hampshire high school student wondering if McCain, at 71, was too old to be president.
Other times, his ire is all too real. This has prompted questions about whether his temperament is suited to the office of commander-in-chief or whether it might handicap him in a presidential campaign against either Barack Obama or Hillary Rodham Clinton, who are not known for such outbursts.
"I decided I didn't want this guy anywhere near a trigger," Domenici told Newsweek in 2000.
(The LINK for more is at the top of this post.)
Only because I have no limits to the depths of my cynicism, but I speculate that this story was given legs by the Bush Republican machine. Nothing like planting the story that will eliminate the last best candidate from the "none-of-the-above" party so that the way is cleared to install Bush's candidate of choice. And my guess is that it might be Bloomberg/Hagel kinda ticket.
Just pullin' this outta my ass, but the timing is so ripe for disappearing old McStain, and they can't let it be known that they are the ones doing the disappearing. The Repubs are desperate for a viable candidate, and they'll do anything to keep McCain from being on the ticket.
Limbaugh Spins NYT Story As Hate Radio Victory: McCain Should ‘Understand Who His Friends Are’
http://thinkprogress.org/2008/02/21/limbaugh-mccain/
I can't believe that Bush personally gives two squats about who follows him, as long as it some (genuine) leftist who wants to initiate war-crimes trials. Cheney probably cares, but he does he really hate/worry about McCain that much?
LATimes - According to Fox News, the New York paper's publication today was connected to an impending story by the New Republic, alleging the newspaper caved to political pressures from the McCain campaign. A magazine spokesman said that article would be published online today (also see TNR here)
1."George Washington did not cross the Delaware for Capitalism," -Shmuley Boteach. 2.The Dems haven't punished the GOP enough, so you're going to reward the Republicans?
...has a lot on the anti-lobbyist surrounded by lobbyists.
explain themselves here and here.
Bill Keller(editor) lives in a world of his own , in his belief in the Times reputation, despite not naming sources yet again....
"Personally, I was surprised by the volume of the reaction (including more than 2,400 reader comments posted on our Web site). I was surprised by how lopsided the opinion was against our decision, with readers who described themselves as independents and Democrats joining Republicans in defending Mr. McCain from what they saw as a cheap shot.
And, frankly, I was a little surprised by how few readers saw what was, to us, the larger point of the story. Perhaps here, at the outset of this conversation, is a good point to state as clearly as possible our purpose in publishing."....
The point of this "Long Run" installment was that, according to people who know him well, this man who prizes his honor above all things and who appreciates the importance of appearances also has a history of being sometimes careless about the appearance of impropriety, about his reputation......."
in both the article and the comments
(I know someone else already posted it but I can't find it now!)1."George Washington did not cross the Delaware for Capitalism," -Shmuley Boteach. 2.The Dems haven't punished the GOP enough, so you're going to reward the Republicans?
"From the looks of it, the paper is going to have to fight for its story--and its ethics--in the court of public opinion, but this is not something the Times is ever comfortable doing..."
They can always apologize.
I haven't seen anything in all of this to show that what they reported was not true.
into the story was worthy of the Enquirer. They presented no proof of a personal relationship, all very strange.
They allowed ex-McCain staffers to do that. (And it seems pretty clear the piece was heavily lawyered after the authors wrote it.)
The piece was really about cozy relationships with lobbyists. And McCain has lots and lots and lots of those. Including most of his campaign staff.
And yes, McCain had quite a few affairs back before he married his current heiress wife. Don't know about since then, and don't care.
It's the lobbyists.
story was the lobbyists, but the way they presented it was horrible. I know he is an ass but it still wasn't right.
...that that was interference from editors, who saw the presentation as a way to inoculate McCain from the real story. I sort of doubt it will work (McCain has contradicted Paxson, he's contradicted his own affadavit), but the timing and presentation are nuts. If they wanted to "get" McCain, they would've done it in Dec (when he hadn't a prayer), or in the general (where he still doesn't have a prayer).
I don't know, but I strongly suspect that the reporters and editors are working at cross purposes. These are the same folks who recently hired William Kristol, after all.
probably true, the writers probably are not involved in the FP layout and detail. To me they didn't need to include the woman angle.
For McCain, Self-Confidence on Ethics Poses Its Own Risk
the NYT website presentation of the story. But the NYT public editor just chimed in, I think he expresses the handling of the story better than I can.
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