Vertigo Open Thread


I've got a wicked case of vertigo today (something I've never experienced before--no, it ain't fun) and am having a difficult time functioning. So, please bear with me. In the meantime, feel free to use this as an open thread to talk about the markets (another link here), or the Palestinian breach of the apartheid wall in the Gaza, Stiglitz' op-ed in the Times on a stimulus package or the death of Heath Ledger, an actor I liked. Pity to see him die so young.


Sean Paul Kelley January 23, 2008 - 10:46am
( categories: Miscellany )

amazing how well controlled the chaos was.

Tina January 23, 2008 - 11:52am

Hamas: Border must be controlled exclusively by Palestinians, Egypt

By News Agencies
Tags: Hamas, Israel, Gaza Strip

The United States expressed concern Wednesday after some 200,000 Palestinians swarmed across the border into Egypt from Gaza after the border fence was blasted away by militants overnight.

The fence was breached days after Israel imposed a total closure on crossings into Gaza, allowing only a small amount of aid and fuel to get through.

"We are concerned about that situation and frankly I know the Egyptians are as well," U.S. State Department deputy spokesman Tom Casey said.
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Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak announced Wednesday that he had ordered his troops to allow Gazans to cross into Egypt because they were starving.

David Welch, the assistant to U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice on Middle East issues, has talked to Egyptian authorities about the situation, Casey said, but he didn't offer details. He said the Egyptians take border security seriously and that he has no indication the situation has affected Israeli-Palestinian relations for now.

Tens of thousands of Palestinians on foot and on donkey carts poured into Egypt from Gaza Wednesday after masked gunmen used land mines to blast down a seven-mile (12-kilometer) barrier dividing the border town of Rafah.

The border breach was a dramatic protest against the closure of the impoverished Palestinian territory, imposed last week by Israel. The Palestinians were stocking up on goods made scarce by the Israeli blockade. The border fence had divided the Rafah area into two halves, one on the Egyptian side and one in southern Gaza.

Earlier Wednesday, U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice offered a muted response, saying that the U.S. wants to see stability in the region, but that most importantly both the security concerns of Israel and the humanitarian concerns of Gazans must be met.

Also Wednesday, shortly after the border was breached, Hamas' Damascus-based political leader Khaled Meshal said that his organization would be willing to work to resolve the chaotic situation on the Gaza-Egypt border, but only if the border were placed under exclusive Palestinian and Egyptian control

mora at Jerusalem Post

Tina January 23, 2008 - 2:38pm

Wow - 200,000 - in a really hurry to leave. Hamas may look like heroes for knocking down the fence. But look at the flood of people anxious to get out of there.

BigWorldTour January 23, 2008 - 8:45pm

is that they wanted to cross the border to buy food and supplies..and they did. They didn't riot or loot, what animals they are ;)

Tina January 24, 2008 - 3:19pm

Gordon January 24, 2008 - 3:21pm

Israel, U.S. to boycott UN rights council meet on Gaza blockade

By Shlomo Shamir, Haaretz Correspondent
Tags: PLO, Gaza, Israel

Israel and the United States are expected to boycott a special United Nations Human Rights Council meeting in Geneva on Wednesday to discuss the situation in the Gaza Strip, in the wake of Jerusalem's decision to close Gaza crossings.

This would be the first time that Israel has boycotted a session of the Human Rights Council, in a sign of rising tensions between Israel and UN institutions.

The council will meet Wednesday at the request of Egypt and the Palestinian Authority, to discuss the closure of the crossings as well as Israel's recent military strikes in Gaza.

The draft proposal submitted to the council angered Jerusalem, which views it as one-sided due to the fact that it fails to mention the massive Qassam rocket fire on Sderot and other western Negev communities.

Israel urged other countries to follow suit, although only the U.S. agreed to do so.

Israel urging Security Council to soften statement on Gaza crisis
Meanwhile, Israel is lobbying the UN Security Council to soften the language of a presidential statement denouncing the Gaza closure, which is expected to be issued Wednesday.

more at Haaretz

Tina January 23, 2008 - 2:57pm

Wednesday, 23 January 2008, 19:12 GMT

Egypt 'won't force Gazans back'

Gaza's people have been short of supplies for months

Egypt has said it will not use force to send back Palestinians who crossed from the Gaza Strip in large numbers after parts of the border were breached.

Foreign ministry spokesman Hossam Zaki said the border would be closed again when all the Palestinians had returned.

Tens of thousands have surged in to buy food and other supplies made scarce by an Israeli blockade - aimed at stopping rocket attacks from Gaza.

Israeli PM Ehud Olmert said he would not let a humanitarian crisis develop.

"We will not hit food supplies for children or medicines for the needy," he said.

"But there is no justification for demanding we allow residents of Gaza to live normal lives while shells and rockets are fired from their streets and courtyards at Sderot and other communities in the south."

Meanwhile about 15 Israeli tanks and armoured vehicles were seen in northern Gaza.

more at BBC

Tina January 23, 2008 - 4:27pm

Markets recovering again. It is amazing to see time and again. Why is the USA so unwilling to take the necessary medicine of a recession? They keep propping up the markets the way they are and they will lead us to a major recession/depression. Maybe they already have.

Zman1527 January 23, 2008 - 12:13pm

don't spread this around until the dumber money is long again.

Stirling Newberry January 23, 2008 - 6:04pm

I've had a flu with intermittent vertigo for a week, so I can sympathize with you. It is very destabilizing when the room starts spinning.

Get plenty of rest and stay hydrated. Hope you're feeling better soon.

tjfxh January 23, 2008 - 12:26pm

Unless you did not sleep last night, or did something else that would explain the vertigo biz.

creativelcro January 23, 2008 - 12:33pm

vertigo can be a sign of Very Bad things, health-wise. better to be sure.

chicago dyke January 23, 2008 - 12:39pm

World Economic Forum Opens in Davos

By MATT MOORE and BRADLEY S. KLAPPER – 1 hour ago

DAVOS, Switzerland (AP) — The outlook for the global economy this year is decidedly dour, but leading economists at the World Economic Forum in Switzerland had mixed views Wednesday about the possibility of a global recession.

"If there is a tremendous slowdown in the U.S. economy, then we must be worried about it," said Yu Yongding, director of the Institute of World Economics and Politics at the Chinese Academy of Social Sciences.

He said China's growth could help it weather any slowdown as that nation boosts trade with countries outside the United States.

The potential for a global slowdown triggered by a U.S. recession was a top issue among economists from Asia, the United States and government ministers from India and China.

Stephen Roach, chairman of investment bank Morgan Stanley in Asia, said there would be global ramifications should the world's largest economy falter.

Asked by a Mexican businessman if his country could sidestep a U.S. recession, Roach was blunt.

"My good friend from Mexico, you're in trouble," Roach said. "Mexican exports to the U.S. account for 25 percent of your GDP. Same number for Canada. How can the U.S. go into recession and Mexico be fine?"

Nouriel Roubini, chairman of New York-based Roubini Global Economics, cited the maxim that if the U.S. economy sneezes, the rest of the world catches a cold, but said this time the diagnosis for the U.S. was worse.

"In this case the U.S. is going to have a protracted case of pneumonia," he said.

more

Tina January 23, 2008 - 1:36pm

World Economic Forum opens in Davos amid economic turmoil
Posted: 23 January 2008 1846 hrs

DAVOS, Switzerland : The annual Davos gathering of the world's political and business elite opened Wednesday, dominated by the deep cut in US interest rates aimed at preventing recession and supporting world stock markets.

In recent years the annual meeting in the Swiss ski resort has been against a backdrop of bumper corporate profits, strong economic growth and tame inflation.

But as the 38th World Economic Forum opened the global economy is now faced with huge slides in stock markets, slowing growth, the sub-prime crisis and increasing oil, food and other commodity prices.

"I don't know whether there will be a recession in the United States, but I do know that one year ago, at this time, things were very rosy," Rahul Bajaj, chairman of Indian industrial group Bajaj Auto told AFP in Davos.

On Tuesday the US Federal Reserve announced an aggressive 75 basis point cut in borrowing costs after a slew of data pointed to a slowdown in the world's biggest economy.

This was the first time the Fed had changed interest rates outside its regular rate-setting meetings since 2001, days after the September 11 attacks. It was also its deepest cut since 1984.

The rate cut came after US President George W. Bush announced on Friday stimulus package, valued at between 140 and 150 billion dollars, that showed how real the danger of a recession is.

"The Fed cannot prevent the (US) economy going into recession," economics professor Nouriel Roubini said at a session on the world economy at Davos. "My view is that world economy cannot decouple from a US hard landing."

After a wildly volatile day for markets on Tuesday, Asian and European markets rebounded, but traders and analysts warned the fix could turn out to be only temporary -- and that fears of a US recession were far from over.

"Europe is not going to get a special dispensation from the global slowdown," Stephen Roach, star economist and US bank Morgan Stanley, said in Davos.

In the run-up to the event, WEF founder Klaus Schwab hoped that the meeting would avoid "excessive pessimism."

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Tina January 23, 2008 - 1:45pm

"star economist?" what, he's like a rock star? /eyeroll/
sorry, i find that kind of writing pathetic. "accomplished," or even "feted" but spare me the celebrity speak.

chicago dyke January 24, 2008 - 11:30am

Since it looks like everything is tanking to the level of yesterday's gruesome opening. Still a few hours to go before close.

creativelcro January 23, 2008 - 2:15pm

Rice Says US Economy Resilient

Wednesday January 23, 2008 6:01 PM

DAVOS, Switzerland (AP) - Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, in a nod to the anxiety that has enveloped the World Economic Forum, said Wednesday that the U.S. economy was resilient and would remain an ``engine of growth.''

Speaking to an audience of chief executives and world leaders, Rice said a $150 billion stimulus package proposed by President Bush would ``boost consumer spending and support business investment this year.

Tina January 23, 2008 - 2:22pm

about the economy or anything else that doesn't involve shoe shopping?

ran January 23, 2008 - 2:39pm

"Resliency" is a code word for "Americans are stupid spend a holics who have no pricing power."

It is possible we will dodge recession, that this will be the second hard landing in this recovery, and we can look forward to two more years of lackluster growth, real wage contraction, energy inflation and asset depletion.

Stirling Newberry January 23, 2008 - 6:13pm

An inner ear infection. You may want to go with an antibiotic.

Pity about heath, quite the talented actor.

Stranger0nFire January 23, 2008 - 2:46pm

at Davos:

In one of the many discussions about the state of the global economy, several Americans called on Chinese consumers to spend more, to make up for the downturn in the United States. After all, China's savings rate stands at 50%, the US savings rate is in single digits.

Persuading the Chinese to flock to the shops would be tricky, said Mr Cheng: "The Chinese save today’s spending for tomorrow, and the American’s spend tomorrow’s saving today."

Touché. The whole room collapsed in laughter and applause.

Newshoggers

Tina January 23, 2008 - 4:18pm

or possibly the decade?

well spotted, well quoted, worth blogging! YEAH!

graham January 24, 2008 - 9:31am

Is it money in savings accounts versus annual income? Does it include money in retirement plans?...

creativelcro January 23, 2008 - 4:34pm

Optimism has returned, good times are back.

creativelcro January 23, 2008 - 4:38pm

He's concentrating on the economy, not the markets......

European Bank Chief Is Cool to a Rate Cut
Speaking to the European Parliament in Brussels, the bank president, Jean-Claude Trichet, said euro-zone monetary authorities remain focused on inflationary pressures in the 15-nation bloc.

“In demanding times of significant market correction and turbulence,” he said, “it is the responsibility of the central bank to solidly anchor inflation expectations to avoid additional volatility in already highly volatile markets.” ...

Eric Chaney, chief economist for Europe at Morgan Stanley in London, noted that Mr. Trichet had spoken of “downside risks,” and that he discussed the possibility that economic weakness would have an impact on inflation.

European investors are unlikely to get any short-term relief from the bank, Mr. Chaney said, as “the news from the real economy in Europe is very good.”

“We would have to see some bad news from the real economy rather than the markets,” before policy makers, whose main mandate is to fight inflation, cut rates, he said.


1."George Washington did not cross the Delaware for Capitalism," -Shmuley Boteach.
2.The Dems haven't punished the GOP enough, so you're going to reward the Republicans?

nymole January 23, 2008 - 8:04pm

http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/europe/01/23/spain.suspects/index.html

A very close call in Spain Last Weekend - From CNN:

MADRID, Spain (CNN) -- The Spanish judge overseeing the arraignment of 10 terrorism suspects said Wednesday that they had "planned to carry out a series of suicide attacks" last weekend on public transportation in Barcelona.

Spanish police move suspected terrorist detainees following last weekend's arrests in Barcelona.

In a sequence of six-page rulings, one for each of the 10 suspects he ordered to be held in jail after their arraignments.

"Judge Ismael Moreno wrote that the suspects "had achieved human operational capacity and were very close to achieving full technical capacity with explosives, with the aim of using the those explosives for a jihadi terrorist attack, and it can be deduced that the members of the terrorist cell now broken up planned to carry out a series of suicide attacks last weekend, January 18 to 20, against public transport in the city of Barcelona."

CNN has viewed a copy of one of the court orders.

The ruling said three suspected suicide bombers had traveled from Pakistan to Barcelona since October, with the most recent one arriving as late as mid-January.

The three had followed another Pakistani man -- the alleged explosives expert -- who had just arrived after a five-month stay in Pakistan.

"This pattern is common in Islamic extremist groups, which to carry out an attack usually send in the suicide bombers shortly before it will occur," the judge wrote.

"The arrivals of these three occurred about two months after the presumed bomb maker had returned (to Barcelona)."

Further, Moreno wrote that an informant had told authorities about the suspected suicide bombers and the suspected explosives expert.

He added that police found nitrocellulose and mechanical and electrical elements that could be used to make one or more bombs.

Twelve men were arraigned Wednesday, but Moreno allowed two to go free. Those two -- Pakistani nationals who had been arrested with the others -- were released for lack of evidence, according to their court-appointed lawyer and a court source.

The 10 who were kept in custody include eight Pakistani nationals and two Indian nationals who are Muslim.

At least two of the 10 were prepared to be suicide bombers, prosecutor Vicente Gonzalez alleged during the arraignment, according to a government spokeswoman. The other eight were charged with fabrication and possession of explosives, she added.

BigWorldTour January 23, 2008 - 7:53pm

from last week here
1."George Washington did not cross the Delaware for Capitalism," -Shmuley Boteach.
2.The Dems haven't punished the GOP enough, so you're going to reward the Republicans?

nymole January 23, 2008 - 8:10pm

The Choice


1."George Washington did not cross the Delaware for Capitalism," -Shmuley Boteach.
2.The Dems haven't punished the GOP enough, so you're going to reward the Republicans?

nymole January 23, 2008 - 10:29pm

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