Are E-Trade's Troubles . . .


. . . indicative of just how pervasive and nasty the influnce of mortgages write-downs will prove to be?

While most people know E*Trade as an online stock brokerage firm, the company also operated a large mortgage business--with a home loan portfolio of $30 billion. And like other mortgage players, the turmoil in the housing markets has battered its home-loan business in recent months. The pressure on the mortgage market, which is expected to last until 2009, has forced E*Trade to alter its business strategy, Chief Executive Officer Mitchell Caplan said in a conference call back in September.

What surprises me is the simple fact that E-Trade has any exposure to this mess. Why? What was E-Trade doing in this business? A line of business it really had no expertise for? The only reason I can see E-Trade entering this business is that it was easy, lucrative and seductive. Read: greed! Clearly their risk-management operations failed them. 70% of the firm's assets are in mortgage related securities!?! WTF mate?

What happens when the company goes kaput? A lot of people are going to loose money--people who believe the SIPC is going to take care of them, much like people believe the FDIC will too. If you know anything about the SPIC then you know they'll do everything they can to not pay.

Of course it looked like easy money a few years ago, but didn't someone in the chain of command realize what was going to happen? It was obvious to me. It was obvious to a lot more people who are smarter than me and yet the best and the brightest got way suckered. And now E-Trade is having difficulties. Who's next?


Sean Paul Kelley November 12, 2007 - 2:53pm
( categories: Economics | The Markets )

They had about $15 billion of customer money parked in short term investments, of which about 80% as of a few weeks ago was rated Aaa. In their defense, you could say they thought they were operating prudently by keeping their assets short term rather than long term, and then only in highly rated securities. I could almost see their board giving them these restrictions, and feeling they were acting in a careful, judicious way. After all, the extra yield they were getting in going from Treasuries to Aaa mortgage-backed commercial paper was not very much and not a warning sign that something could go wrong.

Their competitors like Charles Schwab and Ameritrade didn't have investment pools like this, and their stocks are up while eTrade is getting hammered. So the stock market doesn't care how prudent eTrade thought it was being; right now they look like risk maniacs.

Numerian November 12, 2007 - 3:20pm

Of course it looked like easy money a few years ago, but didn't someone in the chain of command realize what was going to happen? It was obvious to me.

It was the YBG,IBG mantra: "You'll be gone, I'll be gone" and the average Joe and Josephine will end up holding the bag.

lynette November 12, 2007 - 6:37pm

One suspects all the major banks in the world have lost so much that they are all technically insolvent. (Lost all their capital).

Like a centipede, dropped a few shoes, 90 or so more to drop...

Synoia November 12, 2007 - 6:57pm

from the FDIC if your bank collapses. Has anyone had any experience? Say Ing Direct goes down. How complicated is it to get my 100Ks back from them?... What if I need them in few business days?...

creativelcro November 12, 2007 - 7:44pm

If your money is insured by the FDIC, say in a specifically noted FDIC insured money market fund it might take a few weeks. If it's the SPIC? Good luck. Several months, if at all.

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Sean Paul Kelley November 12, 2007 - 8:17pm

The FDIC timeline isn't convenient but it prevents a panic.

We recently declined to start a 529 fund offered by Banc of America. It wasn't insured. I'm that worried.

joe_sez November 12, 2007 - 10:16pm

So far, it seems that Ing Direct has been doing well. But that assumes that there isn't anything rotten behind the pretty surface. Didn't they acquire another online bank that went bust, recently? I remember they said they did it in part to keep up the confidence in online banking. But that made me nervous.

creativelcro November 12, 2007 - 11:24pm

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canuck November 13, 2007 - 3:47pm

can someone please explain what 'money market' suddenly means? were these really just sliced and diced CBOs, the toxic barrels of anchovies and other colorful metaphors we've come to love around here?

I put my $60 in my PayPal account onto the money market interest-bearing arrangement. Glad its not real big cash.
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HongPong November 14, 2007 - 4:40pm

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