How Should The Democrats Deal With Bush's Veto?


Yesterday I came across this interesting analysis (from the Nelson Report) about what exactly Congressional Democrats should do about George W. Bush's veto:

On a related note, when will ANY prominent Democrat start using effective propaganda vs. Bush's Iraq War policies? Whimpering like Sen. Reid is so politically weak. Every supporter of the war should be grilled again and again with variants of the same question: ‘When are we going to stop arming and training more terrorists?’ We armed and trained Al Qaeda before they turned on us. We armed and trained Hezbollah when they were still a Shiite brigade of the Lebanese army.

These is a pretty potent argument, if you ask me. Why not put the onus on Republicans as to how they are going to prevent the inevitable blowback from this war? And why are we arming the same Iraqis who are going to come after us when we leave. The other benefit this argument has is to put the Republicans and the President on the defensive. Not only does it keep ownership of the war in Bush's hands, it puts him and the 28%ers on the defensive. I don't know about you, but I'd like to have the initiative for a while:

If Dems argued this angle, they might actually put Bush on the defensive and sway lots of moderates. The faster we pull out our forces, the quicker Iraqis will stop resisting us and, in their own interest, focus their fight against Al Qaeda (objectively the enemy of both many Sunni Sheiks and political leaders as well as all of the Shiites and Kurds) and each other. Our occupation distracts many Iraqis to fight us RATHER THAN Al Qaeda. There is no doubt in my mind that Al Qaeda will be weakened as soon as we withdraw and nothing could aid their cause more than prolonging our occupation. THIS is the sort of argument Dems must make if they really want to lead public opinion rather than just ride the tide of unfocused anxiety about Bush's course.”

Promising, if you ask me.


Sean Paul Kelley May 2, 2007 - 5:32pm
( categories: Analysis | Iraq )

Send the bill back without any dates of disengagement or suggested faux Iraqi benchmarks. Busco can have their way, but taxes have to be raised immediately to cover the immediate cost and repay the borrowed money used to fight the war.

Set up a interest bearing trust of 50 billion for long term Veterans care. An additional 50 billion to rebuild the stuff boy george wrecked in Iraq, plus boy george has to say “I am sorry for killing and destroying your country”. Let the Iraqi’s figure out what and who fixes. Plus an additional 50 Billion to retool the military of all the stuff that was ground up in the Sands of Arabie.

Here is the proposal. One dollar on each and every gallon of fuel (the real direct cost is 3 per gallon). Up the capital gains tax to 60% on money that is not made by wages. Repeal all tax cuts given under reign of bushco, corporate especially.

"The president's job is to think not only about today, but tomorrow"
george bush delivers deep insights in a speach given on
April 19, 2007
Tipp City High School
Tipp City, Ohio

Peter C May 2, 2007 - 6:43pm

The Democrats should allocate just enough money to withdraw and refuse to pass anymore allocations.

Joaquin May 2, 2007 - 7:46pm

The economics of war are just too great. It is the last "industry" we have left and it will continue. HR 1, the anti-terror bill.
After all industry bought most of these people.

Lasthorseman May 2, 2007 - 9:20pm

...you'll see some Democrats making those arguments (Murtha and Fiengold among others). If you watch the news, you'll see the GOP response: "9/11", "Defeatocrats", "9/11", "Defeatocrats",...

Pass the strongest thing we can get passed and make him veto again. And again.

Gordon May 2, 2007 - 10:13pm

William Rivers Pitt: A Veto Inked in Blood

By William Rivers Pitt
t r u t h o u t | Columnist
From: http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/050207J.shtml
Wednesday 02 May 2007

There are some similarities, of course. Death is terrible.
- George W. Bush on comparisons between Iraq and Vietnam, April 19, 2007

Four years after a humiliating strut across the flight deck of the USS Abraham Lincoln, four years after declaring major combat operations in Iraq ended and the mission accomplished, four years and more than three thousand dead American soldiers later, four long years to the day, George W. Bush delivered a veto that only ensures more wretched and bloody carnage.

"Bush used his veto pen for only the second time Tuesday," reported NBC News, "after Congress sent him a war spending bill that would impose timelines to withdraw US troops from Iraq, which he called a 'prescription for chaos.' The bill is unacceptable because it 'substitutes the opinions of politicians for the judgments of our military commanders,' the president said in a nationally televised address to explain why he was vetoing a bill that would also provide more than $100 billion in emergency spending for the war."

Take a moment to absorb the twin-bill nonsense within that explanation.

The now-vetoed, multi-billion-dollar Iraq spending bill, which contained withdrawal timelines demanded by Congressional Democrats, "substitutes the opinions of politicians for the judgments of our military commanders," according to Bush. Many of us must have missed the memo explaining how Bush, Cheney, and the rest of this administration aren't politicians anymore. We also missed the memo explaining how it was the "judgments of our military commanders" that sunk us into this mess to begin with.

Speaking of military judgments, here are two worth considering; both came after Bush deployed the veto pen on Tuesday.

Major General John Batiste, USA, Ret.: "The President vetoed our troops and the American people. His stubborn commitment to a failed strategy in Iraq is incomprehensible. He committed our great military to a failed strategy in violation of basic principles of war. His failure to mobilize the nation to defeat worldwide Islamic extremism is tragic. We deserve more from our commander-in-chief and his administration."

Major General Paul Eaton, USA, Ret: "This administration and the previously Republican-controlled legislature have been the most caustic agents against America's Armed Forces in memory. Less than a year ago, the Republicans imposed great hardship on the Army and Marine Corps by their failure to pass a necessary funding language. This time, the president of the United States is holding our soldiers hostage to his ego. More than ever apparent, only the Army and the Marine Corps are at war - alone, without their president's support."

When a Major General of the United States Army publicly declares that "the president of the United States is holding our soldiers hostage to his ego," matters have gone badly awry.

Speaking of badly awry, we also have this from Bush in explanation of his veto: "This is a prescription for chaos and confusion," he said, "and we must not impose it on our troops." More than one hundred US troops were killed in April; 3,352 have been killed since the war began; more than 20,000 troops have been wounded; untold tens of thousands of Iraqis have been slaughtered and maimed; hundreds of billions of dollars have been wasted and stolen; there is no functioning Iraqi government whatsoever; and Iraqi neighborhoods are ruled and ravaged by sectarian gangs waging a horrific civil war.

But that's not chaos and confusion. Not at all.

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Tina May 3, 2007 - 3:03am

Is that the press just won't print those stories. They work for the damn republicans and Bush (or at least work for people that support him 100%), they will never let the Democrats frame the arguement. Look at what they printed about Bush's veto: Bush stands firm on vow while dems scatter like monkeys. Nevermind that 65% of the country is firmly behind the Dems and that over 50% want Bush impeached. No, he's standing firm. What a crock.

IMHO the Dems should pass some new laws that break up the press as was done before the 1990s. Put a little heat under those newsies and let them know their stranglehold on the public isn't a divine right.

zot23 May 3, 2007 - 10:54am

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