Al's Already Getting . . .


. . . gored, only two nights after he won his Oscar. You know, these people just never stop. So who the f**k cares what his utility bill was? He also flies a lot and when he does he buys carbon offsets, just like I do. But Gore's spokesperson makes the best point:

"Considering that he spends an overwhelming majority of his time advocating on behalf of and trying to affect change on this issue, it's not surprising that people who have a vested interest in protecting the status quo would go after him," said the former Gore aide.

The Republicans are scared of Gore, even more than that, so are all those who have a vested interest in the status quo.


Sean Paul Kelley February 27, 2007 - 6:41pm

that Big Al was Clinton's number 2 and Clinton is responsible for NAFTA, the giant sucking sound for American industry. Working for a dying manufacturing company and realizing I'm not going to make it to retirement with neither health insurance or pension. That makes Big Al and Bill just as much minions of the Anti-Christ as Bush and Cheney.
So now Big Al signed onto a new method for elite assholes to maintain control over the simpltons of a retarded American populace. The reduction in your lifestyle and mine however will be felt shortly.

Lasthorseman February 27, 2007 - 7:54pm

I think he is brilliant and his ideas good. I wanted very much to see him win when he ran against bush (would have voted for him but I was ineligible to vote at the time. I would vote for him now if he ran, but I don't think he will.) But I also think it's hypocritical to have that kind of light bill and to fly so much. No amount of carbon offsets unburns the fuel or eliminates the CO2 and other waste products a plane places directly into the atmoshpere.

All of us in the US are addicted to cheap fossil fuels.

And most rich people always thinks it's someone else that should be conserving.

I did inhale.

Don February 27, 2007 - 7:54pm

Site went haywire on me.

I did inhale.

Don February 27, 2007 - 7:57pm

30,000 grand in power a year? That's pretty serious power wastage. "If you ride alone you ride with Bin Laden." As Bill Maher is keen to point out, we can all do our part to reduce our energy dependency.

I appreciate what Gore is doing with his movie, and that he is sticking to the issue and bringing interest to the global warming debate, but if he doesn't even practice what he preaches what's the point of listening to him? Truly Hypocritical.

It would be like a person preaching Veganism to the masses and sneaking down to Burger King for a triple whopper. Or better yet what if Morgan Spurlock of "Super Size Me" fame had stock in Mc Donalds, or a 30,000 dollar fast food bill.

Movements start with one person changing their life, and if Gore isn't willing to do it, nothing is going to change.

I'm not for defending people just because they are on the left, even though I'm a very liberal person. Those who preach energy conservation and the terrors of global warming should be held to the same account that Republicans and Oil Tycoons are held to.

Kryptman40k February 27, 2007 - 7:57pm

Movements start with one person changing their life, and if Gore isn't willing to do it, nothing is going to change.

This is just the sort of thing that has me thinking that we ought to be "preparing" for 8 degrees C (or more) of warming...

Raja February 27, 2007 - 8:04pm

some comments are doubling and tripling. I'm not sure whats happening.

Tina February 27, 2007 - 7:59pm

I can see the media frame for Gore emerging now, especially if he decides to run. He will be hounded by these numbers and accusations of hypocrisy will be used to segue into the old "robotic, wooden, constantly reinventing himself, unstable, lying, etc." attacks by the media. They're going to use this as a shovel to exhume all the old Election 2000 garbage they wrote.

It will be interesting to see who, media and blogs, is willing to put their hands on that shovel and dig.

Edit: And Kryptman, below, seems to have dug up some interesting data on those numbers. I bet that stuff won't make it onto the TV much though.

Bolo February 27, 2007 - 8:32pm

http://www.tennessean.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070226/NEWS01/70226055

Electric bills obtained by The Tennessean, however, showed that Gore is paying a premium on his bills to be part of the “green power” program. Gore purchased 108 blocks of “green power” for at least each of the last three months, according to a summary of bills from Nashville Electric Service.

That’s a total of $432 a month spent to pay extra for solar or other renewable energy sources. NES power – outside this program - is derived largely from coal, which emits carbon, a green house gas.

The green power purchased by Gore in those three months is equivalent to recycling 2.48 million aluminum cans, or recycling 286,092 pounds of newspaper, according to comparison figures on the utility's Web site.

Kryptman40k February 27, 2007 - 8:34pm

Gore Responds To Drudge’s Latest Hysterics

http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/26/gore-responds-to-drudge/

Tina February 27, 2007 - 8:37pm

Yes, like Caesar’s wife Al carbon footprint should be above reproach.

The clergy, charity volunteers and all advocates of moral and economic justice should take vows of poverty.

Social workers, lawyers and all advocates of social justice should live among the poorest and most destitute in society.

Doctors, police, firemen and all those who take oaths to serve their fellow citizens should always be ready to assist at a moments notice under any circumstances without regard to their personal lives.

But when Scotty beams you down to this planet, consider this:

The ‘data’ being spread about Gore makes no mention of the fact that the region of the country he lives in has the highest energy use in the country - 50% higher than the national average (cold winters and hot summers) Makes no mention as to whether his household uses electricity exclusively or in combination with natural gas and oil – ‘ya think you might wanna’ know that before making a judgment? Makes no mention of the fact that he purchases ‘green power’ exclusively. Or that he has installed solar panels.

No wonder the wingnuts think we’re weak. We turn on our own, at the slightest provocation, without even thinking.

JackNYC February 27, 2007 - 9:00pm

If he's growing something in that house of his.

Carib

Caribdude February 27, 2007 - 9:07pm

for his wealth and position I'd guess.

I live on a horse farm with five residences, six barns with one hundred and seventy stalls and a lighted sale barn. Our electric bill runs around $8,000 a year.

Any way you frame it, $30,000 a year is a lot of juice.

But before I throw any rocks, I too am a waster. Here in the US we all are. 1000 cars for every 1000 adults. China has 8 cars per thousand adults, India 4 per thousand.

Mass transit is non-existent and when it comes up for a vote it gets shot down.

Gore tried to get us to sign the Kyoto treaty and got turned down by virtally everyone in the US.

And we're telling the rest of the world to conserve?

I did inhale.

Don February 27, 2007 - 9:10pm

"There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all argument, and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance. This principle is, contempt prior to examination."

Sean Paul Kelley February 27, 2007 - 9:59pm

call the cops

Leaftree February 27, 2007 - 10:03pm

And in Austin. Each of us gets one vote. Man can't even win his home state.

This is an indefensable position in small town in America. You make $8 an hour, 40 hours a week, $16,640 a year. Your entire salary pays half his light bill.

If you would convince a man that he does wrong, do right. But do not care to convince him. Men will believe what they see. Let them see.

Henry David Thoreau

I did inhale.

Don February 28, 2007 - 10:01am

HOLLYWOOD

NYT Al Gore now has a movie with an Oscar and a grandson named Oscar.

Who could ask for anything more?

Al Gore could.

The best ex-president who was never president could make one of the most interesting campaigns in American history even more interesting. Will he use his green moment on the red carpet in black tie to snag blue states and win the White House?

Only the Goracle knows the answer.

The man who was prescient on climate change, the Internet, terrorism and Iraq admitted that maybe his problem had been that he was too far ahead of the curve. He realized at a conference that “there’re ideas that are mature, ideas that are maturing, ideas that are past their prime ... and a category called ‘predawn.’

Mark February 28, 2007 - 10:09am

We're convinced climate change is an issue, so seeing as Gore has an impressive-sounding electric bill, people shouldn't vote for him but for the next candidate who doesn't have Gore's interest in the environment, probably has an even higher electricity bill, doesn't buy carbon offsets and isn't installing solar panels.

After all, if the important question was "how does Gore's environmental impact look compared to anyone he's (putatively) running against?" rather than "how does his environmental impact look compared to the average person's?", someone would have asked it.

Edited to add:

Republicans shocked at idea to block Navy from paying Cheney's power bill
Thursday, July 26, 2001
By CHARLES POPE
SEATTLE POST-INTELLIGENCER WASHINGTON CORRESPONDENT

WASHINGTON -- An "innocuous" attempt by Rep. Jay Inslee to block the Navy from paying the full electric bill at Vice President Dick Cheney's official residence ignited a searing debate yesterday on the House floor.

(...)

The administration, and Cheney in particular, have been sharply criticized in the West for their refusal to take aggressive steps to reining in electricity costs.

Democrats say shifting responsibility for Cheney's electric bill from the vice president's operating budget to the Navy would insulate him from the realities faced by "regular people" who are coping with sharply higher electricity costs. The administration earmarked $186,000 for those costs for the next fiscal year.

( ... Link ... )

Perspective, people. A number is only meaningful in comparison with another number; my mortgage looks large compared to my cable bill and small compared to the national debt.

Escher Sketch February 28, 2007 - 11:45am

was a put up job (and apparently not accurate).

I have to agree with Don,

AP says it has the correct numbers, which if they are true are still very high - and there seems to be confusion as to whether for his dwellings Gore is using "green energy sources" or only "offsetting by carbon credits) .The airline bills are a non-issue other than buying carbon offsets for funding projects to create alternative energy sources.

The Gore electric bills are a little harder to understand, not that there should be 1 25-watt bulb on at old Goresland :-)

One successful ground of attack on Gore's tone when he was campaigning in 2000 was that he was somewhat condescending to the "common man" and that he sometimes fudged his answers.

Gore's house is being compared by the righties not just to the average household but to "President Bush’s comparatively modest[ undoubtedly newer] home in Crawford, Texas, which is a model of environmental rectitude"(:-)). {comment 3266 here in Think Progress)

Now that this Drudge gore is public,it would not hurt Gore's standing with the average non-Drudge reader if say, 6 months from now, the electric bill (and perhaps even the waistline:-) were not apologized for, but reduced.

After all, the story has gone as far as the NYTimes (online) FP on most active blogophere:-)


"A bad treaty is better than a good missile" ~ Andrei Kislyakov

nymole February 28, 2007 - 1:56pm

1) John McCain
2) Hilary Clinton
3) Mitt Romney
4) Rudy Giuliani
5) Barack Obama

- et al, and trendlines too. Then let's talk.

Escher Sketch February 28, 2007 - 1:58pm

think that Cheney number was really useful, as he mocks "global warming"

Finding out the bills of those on your list doesn't really answer what the right has billed the "hypocrite" issue as none are identified with fighting global warming as Gore is, but it does give more info.

Because of very different size and age of dwellings, comparisons such as with the Bush house ,might be, as I said, hard to figure out what's what, who's a glutton and who's just a fool who's living in a family plot. It also might be useful to see what Bush Senior's bills are, unless he's downsized.

Or have I totally misunderstood what you were getting at?

Edwards and family apparently also live in a big old manse:-)


"A bad treaty is better than a good missile" ~ Andrei Kislyakov

nymole February 28, 2007 - 2:07pm

it throw in Ted Kennedy's summer home. I think the size of the electric bill is more a function of wealth than environmental awareness. But these "swiftboat" types of attacks seldom withstand intense scrutiny and don't need to. Once the damage is done it's done.

Mark February 28, 2007 - 2:14pm

and I would hope noone construes my comments as 'turning' on Al Gore

I just think the Gore rep's damage control or counterattack, once the attack was made, was at least so far subpar for someone who is so "public" right now.

That is almost always true because the attack was prepared and timed.
V funny, Mark on the Kennedy specs.

Of course, if the "public" Al is just for now, it doesn't matter so much.

What would be a reasonable response, one that neither equates Gore's constraints with those of people earning a small fraction of what he does, nor uses primarily "elitist" terms for energy credits(The bad Gore of the 2000 run)? Here's a stab at it.

"Al Gore has long recognized that his own dwellings could be more efficient,though for old houses this requires atructural changes.

The spike in energy usage this year was unfortunately necessary for the conversion , the redesign has been structured so that it will use half this year's kilowattage by the year 2008.

We all as Americans need to set targets for ourselves to lower energy consumption. It will be a uniting force for every one of us to work together on creating and achieving these targets in as short a time as is practical for the sake of our children.

Then, ideally , someone from the MSM would ask,...Mr. McCain, how do you propose to.....?)


"A bad treaty is better than a good missile" ~ Andrei Kislyakov

nymole February 28, 2007 - 2:27pm

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