Neocon Jibber-Jabber


Remember all that jibber-jabber just a few days ago about how every Sunni Arab regime opposed to Hezbollah and was tacitly on the side of Israel? I didn't believe it either, as I'm with what Ian said here:

It should be noted that the governments of most of the Muslim nations in the neighbourhood have been very embarassed by this. Their condemnation of Hezbollah and cautious support of Israel has not gone across well with their own populations. They are in a no-win situation. If Hezbollah actually is crushed, then they are weaklings who did nothing while fellow Muslims were attacked by Israel. If Hezbollah ekes out something they can call a victory then Hezbollah has done what none of them could, or had the guts to even try to do. That too will weaken them, and encourage Muslims to turn to groups like Hezbollah to achieve their own goals.

Well, even the rhetoric isn't matching the reality now:

Saudi Foreign Minister Prince Saud al-Faisal met with U.S. President George W. Bush and Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice at the White House on July 23. Following the meeting, al-Faisal told reporters he had asked Bush to intervene in the conflict in Lebanon to seek a cease-fire.

Often times the Saudis are a kind of Middle-Eastern leading diplomatic indicator. Watch the Saudis and you generally get an idea of what's to come. Mind you, they have a lot of Shi'a in their country--and on their border with Iraq. Prudence is essential to Saudi survival. Or, as Col. Lang says, "so much for Sunni support of the Israeli campaign."

If I weren't American I would be looking on at this evolving Middle-Eastern plane wreck with utter fascination. How a country could be so deluded by and in thrall of such a small group of ideologues after the lessons we supposedly learned fighting small groups of ideologues who had taken over big countries and wrecked them with their fantasies in the 20th century is beyond my ability to fathom at this point, and rather tragic.


Sean Paul Kelley July 23, 2006 - 4:09pm

John Dean's first excellent book on the Neocons, Worse than Watergate, has a new bookshelf partner, Conservatives Without Conscience. Barry Goldwater was very disappointed with the Neocons and couldn't understand their behavior on any rational grounds. He and Dean started the book, which was shelved for a time after Goldwater's death. Finally, Dean finished it and has been touring and giving interviews, including one yesterday on public radio.
Essentially what is driving the Neocons is the same as what was driving the Nazis. Social psychology identifies it as the Authoritarian Personality, where there are some authoritarians who are dominators (Cheney is a 10 out of 10 possible) and the majority are their sheep-like followers who will do anything for them (possibly up to 23 percent of the population). The book includes information about the Milgard Experiment where subjects were asked to participate in electrically shocking people to “help them learn” -- and surprised the researchers by being willing to repeatedly and rather mindlessly send electric shocks to unseen people in an adjacent room. The conclusion is that when significant authority tells some people to engage in certain behaviors that they would normally avoid due to conscience, a significant number will disregard their core principles and do as they are told. The Milgard researchers were appalled at the high percentage of subjects who were willing to give dangerously high (400 volts) shocks to "learners" in the adjacent room (no one was actually shocked -- they read the reading on the voltmeter and screamed appropriately).
The Neocons believe they are the chosen people to take us to a new level as a nation, and they are all authoritarian personalities to some extent. They are also all Reversionsists (Alvin Toffler, Future Shock), as were the Nazis, attempting to return to the glory of a past age, in the case of the Neocons the world just after the Allied victories of WW II, except some like Newt Gingrich want to go back to medieval times.
To these Neocon/Nazi/Authoritarian types, 9/11 was a precious gift that allowed them to seize power, begin governing in secret, and slowly begin to erode away the rights of American citizens. They do not believe in democracy as they are totalitarians.
After hearing John Dean on the program yesterday, my new concern is the the Neocons might stage a terrorist attack on the US, blame it on Al Qaeda, and use that to grab greater power. It wouldn't be the first time such tactics have been used.

Channing
Ventura CA USA

Powder Monkey July 23, 2006 - 6:03pm

Not Milgard.

I'd be wary of trying to reduce domestic and geo-political politics to individual personality types. You're likely to arrive at a rather unsatisfying end.

Sully July 24, 2006 - 10:12am

came from his grandfather Prescott Bush's proceeds as banker for the Nazis in America. (this is a matter of public record as he was prosecuted for his prewar work as Hitler's American financial agent)

I think that the reasons for most of the neo-con's Machiavellian plans are economic. They want to continue to exploit the way they have in the past, in a changing world, even if that means destroying it and us.

Just like Hitler, they try to disguise that with various complex schemes.

Its surprising just how mundane the reasons for evil are. If it gives the people whose lives are destroyed any consolation, 'its not personal'. Just like the Indians, they have resources, votes, money, etc. that the neo-cons want.

I saw a very good BBC web site about Naziism the other day, (and in particular, the part about Adolph Eichmann stuck in my mind.)

Its worth checking out.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/worldwars/genocide/

It CAN happen here..

Did you know that Hitler had a huge portrait of Henry Ford in his office in Berlin - and he claimed that his ideas originally came from America? (From "Social Darwinism" which is part of the ideological heritage of the American right)

Food for thought...

andiamo July 23, 2006 - 11:03pm

Bite Your Head Off

Sean Paul Kelley July 23, 2006 - 11:28pm

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