First off, I thank you for using my quote. I believe in it strongly.
Secondly, I believe in that the US is becoming more like a communist country in the way it is hiding the truth. As communism dissapears the democracy of North America becomes more Communist. (hide the truth because you can't handle it.) We will protect you. We will keep you in fear and you will thank us for it!
Who are the enemies?
Everyone that has been captured are all wannabees. No danger.
Bush builds (and Harper) them up to be terrorists.
Give me a break!
What you have to be afraid of is this Administrations lies and deceits when it comes to the truth.

repressive governments mix administrative clumsiness & ineffiency with authoritarian tendencies.

My first degree is journalism from a top West Coast J-school (at the time). There was and should still be much pride in the mission, the challenge entrusted to the "Fourth Estate" of serving as an ever vigilant watch-dog of the other three estates -- legislative, administrative and judicial.
We've seen Putin work to reduce the voice of journalists in Russia, harking back to the USSR days when he was in the KGB. We are aware that advocates of "the imperial presidencey" want to bring the press to heel and are nurturing some delusional concept that a democracy is safer when secrets are kept from the people.
We can have no patience with those who try to curtail the function of "the press" (news media of all types) as it attempts to rise to the challenge of its sacred mission of serving as "the Fourth Estate," keeping everyone else honest and ferreting out the secret deals, the dirty deals, and, especially, those who would shape the workings of government to serve their narrow dreams of personal empire.

Channing
Ventura CA USA

the Grey Lady became angry and revealed that it was the Whitehouse that leaked the story to them. :-) That as Clint Eastwood would say, "Make my day!"

Why single out the NY Times as being traitorous when the same story appeared in the LA Times and the Wall Street Journal?

Street Journal, so you'll have to get that one from someone else:

LA Times, June 23, 2006

New York Times, Published, June 23, 2006

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The stories aren't identical to each other, but the topic is the same and on the same dates. Both reveal Swift in their articles (not that it was a big secret!)

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Can't provide you with the link to the Wall Street Journal, but this should suffice:

MSNBC

“The existence of the program was first reported Thursday night on the Web sites of The New York Times, the Los Angeles Times and The Wall Street Journal.”

This is a free country.
You are free to do as your are told!

repressive governments mix administrative clumsiness & ineffiency with authoritarian tendencies.

Why is is that you have radicals who kill or shoot at your presidents on a regular basis, when you have a president who is dragging you down in economics and world views and you don't have someone who will assasinate him?
Your country is being destroyed by Bush, and you let him.
I just don't understand!
His economics are ruining your country which will ruin ours.
Trust me! He is going to destroy the world economy to make him look good!

repressive governments mix administrative clumsiness & ineffiency with authoritarian tendencies.

If there's one thing we know about rightwingers, it's that they love to sling bullshit threats to scare people.

In this case, we should call their bluff and say, "Yes, absolutely, let's have a great big investigation."

Can you see why? It's because this administration and this Congress are absolutely petrified that real investigations will start, because at the root of all this country's security problems is the glaring incompetence and corruption of BushCo.

So don't fret over the Grey Lady, which really doesn't need or want or deserve our help. Instead, let's all get together and DEMAND a full investigation of where NYT got its information. It won't happen, because all these slimy Repugs will back off if they think there's any chance that the investigation will reveal more about their little scams.

Call their bluff. What's the worst that can happen? ;-)

"Death before being dishonored any more." - Col. Ted Westhusing

they get the Supreme Court to validate that lie, and then they build an entire six-years' worth of lies -- increasingly lethal lies. Now someone complains because several of the nation's most respected newspapers dare to point out one particular lie? There must be a word for that.

Thing to me is that the Journal wrote about it on A1 the same day it came out in the Timeses, yet you hear nobody calling for the head of Glenn Simpson. Hell, the administration didn't even tell Simpson not to print. With that in mind, it's pretty clear to me that the NYT and LAT heard the Journal was going to run the story and decided to go with it that day, though they'd both been sitting on it for weeks. It's another case of the scapegoaters look for the LCD.

"Round and round, round we go." - Tupac

that are all offended and outraged at the NY Times. I've asked them point blank, "Why do you not want to know when your government is abusing it's power?" So far I've gotten zero answers.

The New York Times didn’t disclose anything that wasn’t made public:

“Reports of US Monitoring of SWIFT Transactions Are Not New: The Practice Has Been Known By Terrorism Financing Experts For Some Time
By Victor Comras

“The information was fairly well known by terrorism financing experts back in 2002”

Where is the outrage and treasonable action that the Wall Street Journal committed? Sheer hypocrisy if President Bush doesn't include them for an identical breach of security!

The Central bank of Belgium has known about the spying but the Belgian government hasn't.

The Finnish Bank Association said that they are not going to ask about spying -> Finnish Bank Association knew about it.

This has been an excellent tool to blackmail European politicians who have been involved in tax fraud abroad (Hint: Brussels is in Belgium). They don't declare their bribes to taxman.

-- Happy fishing in ocean of noise!

once it was known that "leak" would be "leaked," from what has trickled down to me.

Is the media reporting this?

Story on Secret Program Further Rouses Critics
By Howard Kurtz
Washington Post Staff Writer
Wednesday, June 28, 2006

Washington Post

Despite the stories that appeared in competing papers, the New York Times is still bearing the brunt of the criticism at the White House, on Capitol Hill and throughout the media world.


Terence Smith, a former Timesman who until recently was PBS's media correspondent, said the paper is a "lightning rod when its critics are playing politics, and that's what's happening here. An institution like the Times is a God-given target, because it's seen by the conservative base as a liberal newspaper critical of the Bush administration."

Published: July 03, 2006

NEW YORK The intra-mural press battle between The New York Times and the Wall Street Journal continued Tuesday with a few digs delivered by Pulitzer-winning Times' columnist Nicholas Kristof.

The Journal editorial page had blasted the Times Friday for publishing its bank records surveillance scoop -- even thought the Journal published a similar story at the same time. It added a few gratuitous slaps at the paper as well. Times' publisher Arthur Sulzberger replied, as has executive editor Bill Keller, and now Kristof.

First, he noted, "the one thing worse than a press that is 'out of control' is one that is under control. Anybody who has lived in a Communist country knows that. Just consider what would happen if the news media as a whole were as docile to the administration as Fox News or The Wall Street Journal editorial page.

"When I was covering the war in Iraq, we reporters would sometimes tune to Fox News and watch, mystified, as it purported to describe how Iraqis loved Americans. Such coverage (backed by delusional Journal editorials baffling to anyone who was actually in Iraq) misled conservatives about Iraq from the beginning. In retrospect, the real victims of Fox News weren't the liberals it attacked but the conservatives who believed it....

"So be very wary of Mr. Bush's effort to tame the press. Watchdogs can be mean, dumb and obnoxious, but it would be even more dangerous to trade them in for lap dogs. "

Elsewhere in his column, Kristof admitted that he "might have made that decision differently" on the bank records story. Unlike the Times' earlier "NSA spying" revelations, the program in this case is probably "sensible" and not illegal. But Kristof added that "so far there is no evidence that the banking story harmed national security, and I'm sure that editors of this newspaper, The Los Angeles Times and The Wall Street Journal weighed their responsibilities seriously, for they have repeatedly held back information when necessary. In contrast, the press-bashers have much less credibility."

But Kristof does blame his own newspaper for bungling the Iraq WMD case, noting "there are secrets we should have found, but didn't: in the run-up to the Iraq war, the press — particularly this newspaper — was too credulous about claims that Iraq possessed large amounts of W.M.D....
We failed in our watchdog role, and we failed our country."

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