They're Gonna Swiftboat Murtha

See the latest connect-the-dots at Taylor Marsh. It's important to keep the communication ongoing between the two blogs so we can better understand and weave together the story, as we are kind of covering two different angles. Keep up the good work. Taylor's main Murtha page is here. Great Kos diary on the possible profiteering angle.

To our new visitors: please help us track down and investigate and expose those involved in this enterprise. Read the post below and if you can help, please do so.

Let the swiftboating begin. Check this out: www.murthalied.com

Here is the DNS info (here and here and here)if anyone cares to track this stuff down.

More as it comes.

Update 6: Now this and this are interesting, as reader Dekkard notes:

This is about Ireys run against Jack Murtha . . . did some digging. . . went to corps watch. It seems that Ireys husband Bob.. was involved with a gentleman who was killed in iraq and not a solder.. a contractor(and as I read, arms dealer). Here is the url.. its good reading. Also found a blog post From Roger Morrow(Gerald Ford's speechwriter), that you can read here.
Now I may be wrong. . . but it seems that some calls were made to our favorite Penn aparatchik, Mr. Santorum. Hope this helps.

Very interesting.

More after the jump.

Update: Here is what we know so far, but we could use your help.

The person who set up the site is one Amanda P. Doss, and a quick google search turns up this site: www.operationstreetcorner.com, which is a wonderful site, as Billy found out, dedicated to: "The Vietnam Veterans' Grassroots Campaign Against John Kerry and Jane Fonda, traitors to our country." She may be tied to Jerome Corsi and some of the Swiftboaters, themselves, but we need your help. Please google around and look for associations and links. It is important and essential to pre-empt this crap before they get it out. Doss' email: amandapdoss@yahoo.com Add any new info to the comments of shoot me an email: seanpaul-at-agonist.dot.org

Update 2: Amanda Doss is tied into Swiftboat liars a great deal, see this Newsmax story where she was an honoree. Scroll down.

There is also, per ElectroOverlord, a link between Doss and Tony Snesko. Doss is also a poster in Freeperland. Has she posted anything other than this at the Free Republic? More as it comes.

Update 3: She's got a client list.

Update 4: Apparently one of the folks involved in hiring Ms. Doss was Larry Bailey. I don't much about him, but this is a start.

Update 5: She might be a lobbyist, or related to lobbyists as well. And here is her Ebay page, that I believe accepts comments.

More:

http://murthamustgo.blogspot.com/

Administrative: First item of business is to get our website up and
running in a credible way. Amanda Prewett Doss of Texarkana, TX, who
handled the '04 campaign, has been engaged to be our website manager,
and she has already purchased our domain name
http://www.murthalied.com/ What we need to do now it to develop the
download folder from which our volunteers will obtain the flyers that
they will post on their display boards. PLEASE keep your eyes open for
ANYTHING that could be used (to defeat) Murtha. For the time being,
send what you find to me; I have asked a very literate friend to stand
by to extract the most salient quotes for posting in large font on our
display boards.

Listen, folks! Operation Street Corner will WORK, and I think its
effect will, after the election, be measurable. We just need to start
small and build to a crescendo in October and culminate in a Rally or
some major event just before the election."

Larry Bailey can be contacted via email here: murthalied@cox.net

More from Graham:

"A group has formed to help Kerry out. Called "KerrysTreason.com," the group has created a website on which they have archived Standard Form 180, in PDF format."

(snip)

"The site was created by Amanda Prewett Doss, the daughter of Vietnam veteran, Capt. Glen Prewett, and by Carol Gell Crowley, daughter of Vietnam veteran, Sgt. Jack Gell."

(snip)

The group is sponsored by the online newspaper, U.S. Veteran Dispatch, whose publisher is Ted Sampley.

Who is Ted Sampley?

Link

As a friend writes in, "Always good to have a face with a name." Indeed, here is Amanda:

Sean Paul Kelley June 23, 2006 - 3:27pm

Sean Paul Kelley's diary | printer friendly version |

from a quick google search...

...it seems possible that the Amanda Doss who registered the domain name might be the same Ms. Doss who runs operationstreetcorner.com - quote 'The Vietnam Veterans' Grassroots Campaign Against John Kerry and Jane Fonda, traitors to our country.' Polite enquiries might be addressed to amandapdoss@yahoo.com

billy68 June 23, 2006 - 7:09pm

your link is wonky

I get forbidden or below for www.murthalied.com:

Parent Directory 23-Jun-2006 22:16 -
[DIR] _private/ 15-Jun-2006 23:49 -
[DIR] cgi-bin/ 15-Jun-2006 23:49 -
[DIR] images/ 10-Nov-2000 08:23 -
[TXT] postinfo.html 15-Jun-2006 23:49 2k

Tina June 23, 2006 - 9:39pm

I think they have now password protected the files

To keep people like you from seeing them :)

quiet Bill June 23, 2006 - 9:47pm

Don't stand for "Swift Boat" style attacks on Jack Murtha

http://www.swiftvets.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=161347&

Found this in my mailbox, courtesy of the Kerry's Treason website/mailing list I belong to:

Dear Everyone,

If this doesn't get you fired up, I don't know what will! Hanoi John
rides again.

Amanda Doss
Operation Street Corner
Kerry's Treason

Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 16:23:16 -0500
From: "John Kerry"
Subject: Don't stand for "Swift Boat" style attacks on Jack Murtha

John Kerry

Dear Friend,

This is our moment of truth. You and I have to make it absolutely clear
that we won't stand for Republican "Swift Boat" style attacks on Jack
Murtha.

Yesterday, an extraordinary congressman, former Marine Drill Sergeant
and decorated Vietnam veteran, spoke out on the war in Iraq. He didn't
come to that moment lightly. He spoke his mind and spoke his heart out
of love for his country and support for our troops. No sooner had the
words left his lips than the vicious assault on his character and
patriotism began.

Today, in a statement on the Senate floor, in interviews with the
national media, and in this message to you, I am seeking out every
opportunity to defend a brave American hero that the Republican attack
machine has set their sights on.

I urge you to do the same. Whether you agree or disagree with Jack
Murtha is irrelevant. These despicable attacks on Jack Murtha's
patriotism and courage must be met with an enormous public outcry. Call
your local talk radio show, write a letter to the editor, phone your
members of Congress - join me in acting now to reject these "Swift
Boat"
style attacks on Jack Murtha.

It disgusts me that a bunch of guys who have never put on the uniform
of
their country have aimed their venom at a marine who served America
heroically in Vietnam and has been serving heroically in Congress ever
since. No matter what J.D. Hayworth says, there is no sterner stuff
than
the backbone and courage that defines Jack Murtha's character and
conscience.

Dennis Hastert -- the Speaker of the House who never served -- accused
Jack Murtha of being a coward. Well let me tell you, Jack Murtha wasn't
a coward when he put himself in harm's way for his country in Vietnam
and earned two purple hearts -- he was a patriot then, and he is a
patriot today. Jack Murtha's courage in combat earned him a Bronze
Star,
and his voice should be heard, not silenced by those who still today
cut
and run from the truth.

Instead of letting his cronies run their mouths, the President for once
should stop his allies from doing to Jack Murtha what he set them loose
to do to John McCain in South Carolina and Max Cleland in Georgia.

The President should finally find the courage to debate the real issue
instead of destroying anyone who speaks truth to power as they see it.
It's time for Americans to stand up, fight back, and make it clear it's
unacceptable to do this to any leader of any party anywhere in our
country.

I urge you to join today in a massive public outcry that rejects the
attempt to demonize and destroy anyone who dares to disagree with
George
W. Bush's aimless "stay for as long as it takes" policy on Iraq.

Please act now. Call and email your elected officials. Flood talk radio
with calls rejecting these vicious smear tactics. Send a letter to the
editor. Express your outrage about the tired old Rovian "Swift Boat"
style attacks on Jack Murtha.

Sincerely,

John Kerry

ElectroOverlord June 23, 2006 - 11:18pm

We must face the ghost of Vietnam to have basis for Iraq

This is my first post here and I live in the 50th district and will try to help anyway I can.

I also wrote a response about the need for us to face the truth about what the Vietnam war was all about. I don't know if it will help or hurt for the truth can be painful and this might not be the right time. But when is the right time, if not now. Here is the post as I have it in my diary and don't yet know how to direct you there withoug reposting.
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Hello Mr. Chopra, living in San Diego, I have read your books and your writings are not as balanced and harmonious as you might think, but overall well-meaning and thought provoking; but on this occasion, in regards to your remarks about “Vietnamese”, I have to respond and to also clarify about the “Vietnam war” in general as posted at my website http://zenwire.com that I designed for people to vote for the truthiest news.

You said:
“If I had been invited to Camp David with Mr. Bush, I would have given my invitation to former Defense Secretary Robert S. McNamara, the architect of the war in Vietnam. What doomed us in that conflict, Mr. McNamara now believes, is that we knew almost nothing about our enemy, the North Vietnamese.
We didn't know how they thought or what they wanted. The whole enterprise of the war was wrapped up in a monolithic idea - "defeating Communism around the world" - just as the present war is wrapped up in defeating global terrorism. Nobody looked closer and tried to understand the people on the other side.”

I was born in Saigon in 1965, and when my Vietnamese parents fled the country on April 20th, 1975 and brought our entire family here, first to Camp Pendleton then to San Diego, and ever since, I have seen America, my country, changed and realized for the worse, right before my eyes. The idealism and foundation that I was taught and aspire to since elementary through UCSD is no longer clear or absolute as I once thought or held dear. Even the very question and nature about the “Vietnam war” and what it was all about is being re-written and redefined as we speak. This is why I want to clarify this issue with you in regards to your comments quoting McNamara’s about the “Vietnamese” and them being “our enemy”. It is this overall perception and casual categorization of the term “our enemy” that I want to clarify and specify before it gets muted and muddied. Who won, who lost, who could have won is being re-drawn and reshaped as if history is a piece of clay for the architects of power to playfully sculpt in a contest to see who can artistically express their specific vision of reality first, given four plus years. This, of course is totally and at the core: American, the pursuit and realization of your specific dream, any and all your dreams if you want, at any costs, if only you have enough will. It all comes down to will power! Ki! For as Napoleon Hill so aptly puts it: “thoughts are things”, and it does not matter how selfish those thoughts can be either, or how perverted or how one sided, it does not matter, you should not constrain yourself by holding back your deepest desires; if you can dream it, you can realize it, the grander the better, the more people it affects and governs, the more territory it encompasses it, more power, points and fame to you.

Back to Vietnam, if anyone of us would take just a few minutes and google and do a little conscientious research about the “Vietnam war”, you would quickly find out that the war was manufactured and that the Vietnamese never attacked us first. They never tried to invade us, or steal our oil or fly planes into us. They never had a religion or a God that was better or came before our God or had multiple Gods. They just wanted to be free: from the Chinese, the Japanese, and from the French… and from us! Just like we all want to be free.
Barbara Tuchman puts it best:
“Americans were always talking about freedom from Communism, whereas the freedom that the mass of Vietnamese wanted was freedom from their exploiters, both French and indigenous. The assumption that humanity at large shared the democratic Western idea of freedom was an American delusion. "The freedom we cherish and defend in Europe," stated President Eisenhower on taking office, "is no different than the freedom that is imperiled in Asia." He was mistaken. Humanity may have common ground, but needs and aspirations vary according to circumstances.”
And as Arthur Silber describe the likely sourse and origin of this pervading attitude:
“Western civilization, more particularly the United States, constitutes the highest point of possible human development. It is only "freedom" and "democracy" as practiced in the West that can guarantee a future of peace. (Never mind the West's uninterrupted history of warfare within its own ranks, and never mind the West's unending, centuries-long interference with the rest of the world.) The West has the answer to successful human life. Since it does, and because certain elements in the rest of the world have now chosen to attack us on our own ground (and never mind that we have invaded and ruled over vast portions of the rest of the world since time immemorial), we must enlighten those benighted portions of the globe in our defense. Our chosen method of enlightenment is brute military force, to be deployed even against countries that did not threaten us. The lack of a genuine threat is no argument against spreading our version of "civilization," for our mission is grounded not only in self-defense: it is also a moral mission. Our success and our "peace" directly correlates to our virtue. Those countries and those civilizations that do not enjoy the same success and peace are without virtue. In the most extreme (and, one could argue, most consistent) version of this tale, non-Western parts of the world are less than human -- and they are subhuman by choice. They are immoral, and sometimes even evil. Since we represent the good and they represent the evil, we are surely entitled to improve them, by invasion and bombing if necessary. If they do not threaten us today, they might at some indeterminate time in the future. And while we might kill many innocent civilians in our campaign of civilization, those who survive will be infinitely better off than they would have been otherwise. Besides, how "innocent" can any of them be -- since they are members of inferior, less than fully human civilizations, and since they are so by choice?” Arthur Silber goes on to say:
“It is this belief, together with the entire Western perspective to which it is connected, that was imperiled by our ignominious defeat in Vietnam. And it is the same belief and perspective that is now so threatened by the Iraq catastrophe.
You can see the desperation the hawks experience when facing this challenge to their worldview in any number of articles. As just one example, consider my examination of a Mark Steyn column from a few years ago, in an essay entitled, "They Are the Damned." In his profoundly dishonest attack on John Kerry, Steyn gives away his much deeper concern right here: "The only relevant lesson from Vietnam is this: then, as now, it was not possible for the enemy to achieve military victory over the US; their only hope was that America would, in effect, defeat itself." He the continues:
” Steyn and many other hawks thus try to shift the blame for failure entirely onto those who criticized or even questioned our involvement in Vietnam. In this view, failure cannot possibly be the result of a basic error in our own actions and policies: the fault must lie with those who dare to question the innate superiority of America, and those who suggest that we are not preordained to remake the world in our image. In this way, the hawks' belief that the West and America in particular embody the culminating point of human history remains intact. Put it another way: no other country and no one else at all can ever defeat the United States. Only we can defeat ourselves -- which is precisely what Steyn himself says. It should be obvious how this leads into a messianic conception of the United States' role in human affairs: we are gods on earth -- or at least God's representatives on earth -- here to bring enlightenment to the inferior cultures and peoples who surround us. This conception of ourselves is not only dangerously wrong, but dangerously destructive and brutal: if we and only we have the key to humanity's future, then what are the deaths of tens or hundreds of thousands of inferior people -- or even the deaths of millions? If the world is to be saved, no price is too great and no pile of corpses, no matter how high, should deter us from our mission…Like Kennedy, Johnson believed that to lose South Vietnam would be to lose the White House. It would mean a destructive debate, he was later to say, that would "shatter my Presidency, kill my Administration, and damage our democracy." The loss of China, he said, which had led to the rise of Joe McCarthy, was "chickenshit compared with what might happen if we lost Vietnam." Robert Kennedy would be out in front telling everyone that "I was a coward, an unmanly man, a man without a spine." Worse, as soon as United States weakness was perceived by Moscow and Peking, they would move to "expand their control over the vacuum of power we would leave behind us ... and so would begin World War III." He was as sure of this "as nearly as anyone can be certain of anything." No one is so sure of his premises as the man who knows too little.

The purpose of the war was not gain or national defense. It would have been a simpler matter had it been either, for it is easier to finish a war by conquest of territory or by destruction of the enemy's forces and resources than it is to establish a principle by superior force and call it victory. America's purpose was to demonstrate her intent and her capacity to stop Communism in a framework of preserving an artificially created, inadequately motivated and not very viable state. The nature of the society we were upholding was an inherent flaw in the case, and despite all efforts at "nation-building," it did not essentially change.

In the illusion of omnipotence, American policy-makers took it for granted that on a given aim, especially in Asia, American will could be made to prevail.This assumption came from the can-do character of a self-created nation and from the sense of competence and superpower derived from World War II. If this was "arrogance of power," in Senator Fulbright's phrase, it was not so much the fatal hubris and over-extension that defeated Athens and Napoleon, and in the 20th century Germany and Japan, as it was failure to understand that problems and conflicts exist among other peoples that are not soluble by the application of American force or American techniques or even American goodwill. "Nation-building" was the most presumptuous of the illusions. Settlers of the North American continent had built a nation from Plymouth Rock to Valley Forge to the fulfilled frontier, yet failed to learn from their success that elsewhere, too, only the inhabitants can make the process work.

Wooden-headedness, the "Don't-confuse-me-with-the-facts" habit, is a universal folly never more conspicuous than at upper levels of Washington with respect to Vietnam. Its grossest fault was underestimation of North Vietnam's commitment to its goal. Enemy motivation was a missing element in American calculations, and Washington could therefore ignore all the evidence of nationalist fervor and of the passion for independence which as early as 1945 Hanoi had declared "no human force can any longer restrain." Washington could ignore General Leclerc's prediction that conquest would take half a million men and "Even then it could not be done." It could ignore the demonstration of elan and capacity that won victory over a French army with modern weapons at Dien Bien Phu, and all the continuing evidence thereafter.

American refusal to take the enemy's grim will and capacity into account has been explained by those responsible on the ground of ignorance of Vietnam's history, traditions and national character: there were "no experts available," in the words of one high-ranking official. But the longevity of Vietnamese resistance to foreign rule could have been learned from any history book on Indochina. Attentive consultation with French administrators whose official lives had been spent in Vietnam would have made up for the lack of American expertise. Even superficial American acquaintance with the area, when it began to supply reports, provided creditable information. Not ignorance, but refusal to credit the evidence and, more fundamentally, refusal to grant stature and fixed purpose to a "fourth-rate" Asiatic country were the determining factors, much as in the case of the British attitude toward the American colonies. The irony of history is inexorable.
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Persistence in error is the problem. Practitioners of government continue down the wrong road as if in thrall to some Merlin with magic power to direct their steps. There are Merlins in early literature to explain human aberration, but freedom of choice does exist--unless we accept the Freudian unconscious as the new Merlin. Rulers will justify a bad or wrong decision on the ground, as a historian and partisan wrote of John F. Kennedy, that "He had no choice," but no matter how equal two alternatives may appear, there is always freedom of choice to change or desist from a counter-productive course if the policy-maker has the moral courage to exercise it. He is not a fated creature blown by the whims of Homeric gods. Yet to recognize error, to cut losses, to alter course, is the most repugnant option in government…For a chief of state, admitting error is almost out of the question. The American misfortune in the Vietnam period was to have had Presidents who lacked the self-confidence for the grand withdrawal. We come back again to Burke: "Magnanimity in politics is not seldom the truest wisdom, and a great Empire and little minds go ill together." The test comes in recognizing when persistence in error has become self-damaging. For our political leaders, in terms of the methodology they bring to bear on questions of foreign policy, it is as if the United States is a country without a history. In this respect, they are like the most dangerous of nihilist revolutionaries: they believe they can make the entire world anew, writing on a blank slate. But when you completely disregard the realities of history and culture, when you set aside facts and the complexities of men and the societies they create, you will achieve only what such revolutionaries have always achieved: destruction. Tragically for all of us, and for the world, they have failed to learn that lesson as well.” As Arthur Silber so eloquently concludes.

For me, being American and Vietnamese, it took a long time to even begin the process of understanding who won and who lost, black or white, right or wrong, for I can see it from both sides and had to come to terms with it both. And when I did finally figured it out, I realize, in actuallity: there was no winner…no one can win in such a war. 3 millions Vietnamese dead and 55,000+ drafted dead, not even counting the wounded and deformed and scarred for life. There was no winners here. How can there be? You can only win or lose if you have something to gain…, either in material, physical or mental form. So if you feel like you have to win or feel like winning, in such a calamity, then it reveals how elastic your moral compass can be. On memorial days, we all mourn for the people we love, we miss their presense, their thoughts, ideas and imperfections….

That being said, we should all call the “Vietnam War” for what it really was and is. A mistake! A selfish action gone wrong. A busted flush draw! Played and gambled with peoples lives and kids, and for what? For someone’s specific vision of their reality that they are trying to realize. For the record books?

We never cut and ran from Vietnam. We did our best to kill 3 million of them and they kept on coming. We tried to leave sooner, if only we did not have to worry what our neighbors might say! We stopped because we could not unwontingly kill, maim and torture any longer. We stopped because our consciense finally got the better of us. We stopped because we finally had the courage to own up to our mistake and admit we were wrong.

If you are on a police raid and you busted in the wrong house and killed half the occupants and then realized it was the wrong house, do you stop and back out and admit you made a mistake, or do you think it is better just to kill the rest of the family and burn down the damn house and cover it up, leaving no evidence or witnesses. Using that logic, if we stayed in Vietnam, and killed another 3 million or so, then use nukes to kill the other 50 million that are left (mostly women, children and elders), and then we would have won that war and own a radioactive piece of real estate that is completely devoid of life. Was it worth it?

Finally, we should be sorry for our actions. We don’t have to apolozige to the Vietnamese or be formal about it. Their government is just as corrupt if not more! But the sooner we are sorry for the Vietnam war, then the sooner we will see the Iraq war for what it is. Another mistake! And if we can do this before 3 million more lives are lost, then we should consider that a collective improvement on our part, because this time, we did learn from history and finally had the guts to own up and did what was right when only 10,000 lives were lost. We are all human beings, regardless of our color or religion.

zenseeker
empty your mind and see through the illusion

zenseeker June 26, 2006 - 11:31am

Bravo - well said.

- EOM

Escher Sketch June 26, 2006 - 12:33pm

Murtha in Miami

This story has taken so many twists and turns, if you blink, you'll miss the next turn.

New developments are being being tracked at this news site:

http://theinfozone.net/JohnMurtha.html

A notable development: The original Sun-Sentinel's article written by Elizabeth Baier, has been removed from their site and replaced with Ms. Baier's revised story.

If any of you bookmarked Sun-Sentinel's original article that has made them famous for their "the shot heard around the world", check your bookmarked page now. The significance of this is rather overwhelming. This weeks' hysteria, and subsequent retractions and corrections is over something that "never happened".

Interesting to note, it retains the original publication date June 25, 2006, and The Sun-Sentinel did not note this story is a revision.

We here at "The World of Journalism Is Flat, Too" tip our hats to all those who have taken up our cause that we began at 12:03AM Monday, June 26, 2006, when I sent an email complaining about Elizabeth's article to 39 staff members at the Sun-Sentinel and 70+ staff members at the Arizona Star

Cliff Hancuff
The World of Journalism is Flat, Too

chancuff July 2, 2006 - 9:17am

Link between Doss and Tony Snesko

link

ElectroOverlord June 23, 2006 - 11:25pm

Registration Info

Registrant:
Doss, Amanda
ATTN: MURTHALIED.COM
c/o Network Solutions
P.O. Box 447
Herndon, VA. 20172-0447

Domain Name: MURTHALIED.COM

Administrative Contact, Technical Contact:
Doss, Amanda ay89v7n66hp@networksolutionsprivateregistration.com
ATTN: MURTHALIED.COM
c/o Network Solutions
P.O. Box 447
Herndon, VA 20172-0447
570-708-8780

Record expires on 15-Jun-2007.
Record created on 15-Jun-2006.
Database last updated on 24-Jun-2006 00:12:29 EDT.

Domain servers in listed order:

NS440.PAIR.COM 209.68.4.222
NS5.NS0.COM 216.92.61.30

ElectroOverlord June 23, 2006 - 11:26pm

Google info

amandapdoss@yahoo.com

is linked repeatedly to "Amanda's Pages" web design. Ms. Doss is indeed associated with Operation Street Corner. I thought perhaps she was just the web designer for the site but I found a pic of her and another woman (don't know which is Amanda) protesting Jane Fonda on this page.

http://operationstreetcorner.com/FondaDallas1.htm

By googling "Amanda's Pages" "web design" I found that she has designed a couple sites, ranging from a child care facilities to an auto body shop, all in Texarkana. There is a website http://www.electbenfranks.com/index.htm also designed by Amanda Doss, also in Texarkana. At the bottom of each page is a link to the yahoo email addy.

graham6732 June 23, 2006 - 11:35pm

"Web Design by Amanda's Pages"

Web Design by Amanda's pages

PLEASE USE HTML TAGS ON LINKS.

ElectroOverlord June 23, 2006 - 11:40pm

Her client list

I wonder if her freeper and swift boat friends know she designed a site for the Democratic candidate for Justice of 6th Court of Appeals.

graham6732 June 23, 2006 - 11:57pm

That's interesting. But then again , he could be a Dixiecrat.

Bite Your Head Off

Sean Paul Kelley June 24, 2006 - 12:33am

Little More Intel

link

PLEASE USE HTML TAGS ON URLs TO CREATE LINKS.

SF180 forms to flood Kerry's office
Jerome Corsi

So now John Kerry has told both Tim Russert on "Meet the Press" and Don Imus on his morning MSNBC-broadcast radio show that he will sign Standard Form 180. But when? Sometime before 2008, when he has to run for re-election in Massachusetts for the Senate?

A group has formed to help Kerry out. Called "KerrysTreason.com," the group has created a website on which they have archived Standard Form 180, in PDF format. The group is calling for a campaign to flood Kerry's Senate office with SF180s sent in from all over America. The website gives Kerry's Washington office address and lists specific instructions for printing the SF180 and sending it in.

The site was created by Amanda Prewett Doss, the daughter of Vietnam veteran, Capt. Glen Prewett, and by Carol Gell Crowley, daughter of Vietnam veteran, Sgt. Jack Gell. At the "Kerry Lied" rally held by the Vietnam Veterans for the Truth during the 2004 presidential campaign, Carol Crowley gave a moving speech expressing her love for her father. [Click here to read the speech.-- BF] Carol brought the large crowd assembled on the U.S. Capitol grounds to tears when she recalled how her father's last words when dying from combat wounds in Vietnam were for his wife and family back home.

[Read the rest here.]

ElectroOverlord June 24, 2006 - 12:01am

murthamustgo.blogspot

http://murthamustgo.blogspot.com/

Administrative: First item of business is to get our website up and running in a credible way. Amanda Prewett Doss of Texarkana, TX, who handled the '04 campaign, has been engaged to be our website manager, and she has already purchased our domain name http://www.murthalied.com/ What we need to do now it to develop the download folder from which our volunteers will obtain the flyers that they will post on their display boards. PLEASE keep your eyes open for ANYTHING that could be used (to defeat) Murtha. For the time being, send what you find to me; I have asked a very literate friend to stand by to extract the most salient quotes for posting in large font on our display boards.

Listen, folks! Operation Street Corner will WORK, and I think its effect will, after the election, be measurable. We just need to start small and build to a crescendo in October and culminate in a Rally or some major event just before the election."

Larry Bailey can be contacted via email here: murthalied@cox.net

To support Mrs. Diana Irey, Murtha's experienced and able opponent, go here: http://www.irey.com/

ElectroOverlord June 24, 2006 - 12:04am

More on "murthamustgo" and psycmeistr

Sourcewatch entry on Leo Pusateri, aka psycmeistr:

Leo Pusateri

Leo Pusateri of St. Paul, Minnesota, is a school pyschologist who posts as Psycmeistr on the Unto the Breach forum and on his Psycmeistr's Ice Palace blog.

On June 24, 2006, Pustaceri registered the MURTHAMUSTGO.COM domain name.

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Pustaceri states the following on his website MurthaMustGo!: "As a parent of a deployed Iraqi Freedom soldier, this is dedicated to ousting John Murtha from the U.S. House PA 12th CD. Murtha's shameless rhetoric gives comfort to our enemy. He no longer deserves the title of U.S. Marine, nor Congressman." [1]

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Larry Bailey
Ann Coulter
Amanda P. Doss
Diana L. Irey
Swiftboating John Murtha

Escher Sketch July 14, 2006 - 11:29am

Doss and Swift Boater Ted Sampley

"A group has formed to help Kerry out. Called "KerrysTreason.com," the group has created a website on which they have archived Standard Form 180, in PDF format."

(snip)

"The site was created by Amanda Prewett Doss, the daughter of Vietnam veteran, Capt. Glen Prewett, and by Carol Gell Crowley, daughter of Vietnam veteran, Sgt. Jack Gell."

(snip)

The group is sponsored by the online newspaper, U.S. Veteran Dispatch, whose publisher is Ted Sampley.

Who is Ted Sampley?

Link

graham6732 June 24, 2006 - 12:33am

Great work. Thank you!!!! eom

Bite Your Head Off

Sean Paul Kelley June 24, 2006 - 12:39am

Link to the info on Sampley

I forgot to add it in my last post

http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=42810

graham6732 June 24, 2006 - 12:38am

Was she arrested for flippin the bird in 1999? Same lady?

Palestine police, Prewetts settle suit with $75,000

Although jurors sided with Palestine officers, the lawsuit was settled to avoid a prolonged appeals process

By LISA BOSE McDERMOTT
Texarkana Gazette

The long court battle between a pair of Texarkana siblings and the Palestine, Texas, Police Department has ended in a $75,000 settlement, court records show.

Amanda and Bryan Prewett sued the City of Palestine, its police department and one if its officers, Anderson County and an Anderson County sheriff’s deputy for violating their civil rights.

The suit was brought after the Prewetts used an obscene gesture at the officers who were undercover in an unmarked police car.

They were arrested and jailed overnight in the Anderson County Jail. During their jail stay, Amanda Prewett was strip-searched, which her lawyer, David Carter, said was unlawful.

The pair told a federal jury that they were reacting to being cut off on the highway. The officers told jurors that the pair was inciting violence and it was not clear who the gesture was aimed at.

Jurors sided with the officers and the Prewetts left the courthouse empty-handed.

However, both sides went back to the bargaining table as the Prewetts were about to launch their appeal. Both Carter and Troy Hornsby, the officers’ lawyer, say this is typical, even after a jury has issued a finding in a case.

The officers and their government employers agreed to settle the entire case for $75,000. The settlement was filed on Tuesday.

“The law was clear and the settlement saves us the trouble of having a new trial. I felt good about getting a new trial,” Carter said.

Hornsby said the settlement effectively ends the litigation between the two sides after the Prewetts threatened to seek a new trial.

“That threat along with the continuing costs of the appellate process out there factored in to the decision to settle,” Hornsby said.

Hornsby says the settlement is less money than the Prewetts had demanded prior to the federal trial.

“We are pleased with the settlement, especially the strong language in the court’s order which warns the defendants not to make the same mistake again. The primary purpose for the suit was to ensure that no other citizens spend the night in the Anderson County Jail solely because they say or do something which angers a police officer,” Carter said.

According to the court order, U.S. District Judge David Folsom found that the use of the obscene gesture directed toward the officers was considered protected free speech and officers are prohibited from retaliating against someone who uses the gesture.

Folsom also found that persons arrested for minor offenses may not be strip-searched unless there is probable cause to believe that the person has a concealed weapon or contraband on them.

The officers and the siblings first made contact on Dec. 1, 1998, when Amanda Prewett displayed her middle finger, a common offensive gesture, at an officer who was driving an unmarked black Jeep Cherokee. There were two officers in the Jeep who were working on a narcotics task force at the time and were not in uniform.

The Prewetts, who were en route to Texas A&M University for Amanda Prewett’s final exams, said the officers “cut them off” and forced Amanda Prewett to brake her vehicle suddenly. She admits to honking her horn and “flipping off” the driver of the Jeep as she went past. The officer testified that she did not think that she had interfered with Amanda Prewett’s driving.

The Prewetts said they did not know the occupants of the Jeep were law enforcement officers because they were in an unmarked vehicle and were not in uniform.

The officers testified that Amanda Prewett used the gesture twice. They contend they followed the Prewett vehicle to investigate the matter. During the course of being tailed by the officers, Bryan Prewett admitted in court that he leaned out of the passenger window, sitting on the door ledge giving the officers the gesture with both hands.

The officers say the arrest was based on the totality of the incident and that Palestine residents could have seen it since it was on a public street. They argued the gesture can incite violence and that the Prewetts had breached the peace.

originalpckelly June 24, 2006 - 5:26pm

Libel?

Perhaps I'm being nieve. I do understand that there is case law providing significantly more 1st amendment protection to political speech but this certainly sounds like Libel.

It's my understanding that the courts have ruled that someone (some group) running against Murtha can pretty much say whatever they want and Murtha has no recourse other than to refute false claims.

This, to me, seems much different. This group is not affilitated with any campaign. At least they'll never admit to it.
The other issue I see here is that they are making a very specific libel. They have registered and are actively using a web site called Murthalied and they are accusing him of Treason. These are two very specific charges. I believe they are both utterly without merit. They are being made in print (electronic and they are advocating that people print these libels and post them in public). This is the dictonary definition of Libel.

The political landscape is changing. There are too many diffuse, shadowy groups running the vilest propaganda for politicians. I think Murtha should show them what he's made of and he should sue everyone connected, vigorously, for libel with malicious intent to defame his reputation and character with the express purpose of destroying his career and depriving him of his income.
Put the fear of something more powerful than god into them (at least more powerful to them).. put the fear of a big fat legal bill and an even fatter judgement into them.

Does anyone see any particular reason why a politician can't sue for libel and slander when the attackers are not part of an active and official election campaign?

jmho.
ffakr.

ffakr June 24, 2006 - 5:41pm

Possible location

Texarkana,TX has both a possible Amanda and what appears to be a possible relative (father) Glen Prewett.

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Prewett, Glen

Personal information removed by editors.

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PREWETT, AMANDA LOUISE
This is just a maybe, but it looks interesting.
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WDiffle June 24, 2006 - 6:37pm

Commenter vanmojo

on Taylor's blog forwarded this tasty bit outlining the whole enchilada on what they have planned for Murtha, complete with names of the principals involved and some handy links.

It looks like Murtha's opponent, a relative lightweight named Diana Irey, has asked the blog owner to post a correction stating that Mike Bradley and Larry Bailey, who are mentioned prominently in the post, have no connection to her campaign. Uh-huh.

It may also be useful to research this thing from the other end, beginning with Irey's own website registration info < href="http://whois.domaintools.com/irey.com">here

A reverse IP lookup yields a bunch of other sites for Ms. Irey, registered by other individuals whose histories may also be online.

Sharoney June 24, 2006 - 7:00pm

I'm screen capping everything. Keep it coming. eom

Bite Your Head Off

Sean Paul Kelley June 24, 2006 - 7:48pm

Re: Commenter Vanmojo

Yeah and we have a little more on Larry Bailey...

Get the FEC Filing on "Vietnam Veterans for the Truth, LLC" and he is listed as the President. However, another name comes up in the filings. A letter to the FEC also names a "Terry Garlock" from Peachtree, GA.

That name ring a bell for anyone?

Also, we are following this on our blog, the Mojowire as well.

vanmojo June 24, 2006 - 8:25pm

ouuuu assclowns

yawn I just love when the other side tells what its doing. lol Thanks for the link

Tina June 24, 2006 - 8:31pm

Terry Garlock

Larry Bailey and Terry Garlock were the founders of kerrylied.com and responsible for the rally held in Washington D.C. Sept. 12, 2004. The 'press release' can be found here. If you open it in MS Word and turn on the "track changes" review function, you can see all of their efforts. The site doesn't seem to have been updated since October 2005. His article in the Atlanta Journal Constitution on January 29, 2004 (archived), was his best claim to fame. Garlock's big beef with Kerry turns on Kerry's occupation of the far left with Jane Fonda and aiding the enemy during the Viet Nam War.

Military Connections wrote an article on February 26, 2004 that mentions both Garlock and Ted Sampley.

The most interesting thing I found about kerrylied.com is from whois:

Domain Name: KERRYLIED.COM
Registrar: NETWORK SOLUTIONS, LLC.
Whois Server: whois.networksolutions.com
Referral URL: http://www.networksolutions.com
Name Server: NS0.REFLECTED.NET
Name Server: NS1.REFLECTED.NET
Status: REGISTRAR-LOCK
Updated Date: 19-jun-2006
Creation Date: 10-mar-2004
Expiration Date: 10-mar-2007

Hope this helps. My first post here.

steppedonapoptop June 26, 2006 - 4:03pm

Welcome to the Agonist - thanks for the contribution.

- eom

Escher Sketch June 26, 2006 - 4:17pm

This is about Ireys run against Jack Murtha

If you want any dirt here.. did some digging..went to corps watch. It seems that Ireys husband Bob.. was involved with a gentleman who was killed in iraq and not a solder.. a contractor(and as I read, arms dealer). Here is the url.. its good reading http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?id=13185. Also found a blog post From Roger Morrow(Gerald Ford's speechwriter), that you can read here
http://writingcompany.blogs.com/this_isnt_writing_its_typ/2005/01/who_killed_dale.html
Now I may be wrong.. but it seems that some calls were made to our favorite pen aparatchik , Mr. santorum. Hope this helps

Dekkard June 24, 2006 - 8:58pm

Thank you. eom

Bite Your Head Off

Sean Paul Kelley June 24, 2006 - 9:05pm

Diana Irey...do you approve of this site and method?

I think we need to ask Diana if she approves of this tactic agianst Murtha?

We need to watch her run with eagle eyes. If it is on issues. We leave her be, let the American people speak. If it slids into lies about Murtha, then we attack her with truth on a national front.

Always attack the lies/falsehood of murthalies.com.

Keep the ideals of our nation above the names and personalities.

ElectroOverlord June 24, 2006 - 9:59pm

Indeed, that is a darn good question. eom

Bite Your Head Off

Sean Paul Kelley June 24, 2006 - 10:47pm

I couldn't help but notice

I couldn't help but notice what a crappy site "MurthaLied" was. She claimed to be a web designer so I did a little digging and couldn't find one thing ever designed by the owner. I emailed her and asked her to provide a link to anything she's ever done. We'll see what happens. She only posts the most extreme emails so mine might not make it on her site but hopefully it will garner a reply.

Brawlin_Dem June 25, 2006 - 11:22am

Donations to smear Murtha to get Irey (R) elected

I don't know if this helps.

They're using this to get donations for Irey.

link

PLEASE USE HTML TAGS ON URLs TO CREATE LINKS.

This is some info on Irey:
http://www.irey.com/

First the smear...

Thirty two years is a long time to spend in Washington. For decades, western Pennsylvania looked to John Murtha to stand up for our values. But as the years have drifted by, John Murtha has drifted further and further from the ideals that made this country great. He has become part of the problem in Washington.

While John Murtha is calling for an immediate withdrawal from the war against terror, Diana Irey has been standing steadfastly by our fighting men and women and is committed to finishing the job. And while John Murtha is voting to tax our social security benefits, Diana Irey has been holding the line on taxes and government spending.

This election is about bringing common sense principles back to Congress. Join the fight!

Smear articles from the Washington Times and appearances on Fox news.

6/22/2006 - Rep. Murtha: Pennsylvania's Embarrassment--Real Clear Politics 6-21

6/22/2006 - Irey to Appear on "Mike Gallagher Show" and Fox News Channel 6-22

6/22/2006 - Irey Renews Call for Murtha Apology

6/21/2006 - The Real Jack Murtha--The Washington Times 6-21

"Do you know Murtha" section:

http://www.irey.com/OutOfTouch.aspx
Do you know this man?

For years, many of us throughout Pennsylvania trusted John Murtha. We knew him and he looked out for our interests and our values. But that John Murtha is missing today.

After 32 years in Washington, John Murtha has become part of the problem. To name just a few examples:

John Murtha – Wrong on Congressional Pay Raises. Since 1995, John Murtha has voted 11 straight times in favor of raising his own pay. (CQ #648, #317, #435, #289, #300, #419, #267, #322, #463, #451, and #327)
John Murtha – Wrong on Spending. John Murtha has voted multiple times to raid the social security trust fund – the key to your retirement – to pay for wasteful government spending projects.
John Murtha – Wrong on Health Care. John Murtha has voted to actually make your health care more expensive. He even voted against tax-free health savings accounts.
John Murtha – Wrong on National Defense. John Murtha actually voted to cut spending on our national security by $76 billion. Then, he voted in favor of instituting the draft! And, perhaps most stunning of all, John Murtha spoke out against the brave men and women who are defending our freedom by calling for an immediate withdrawl of our troops from Iraq.

"out of touch" link leads to the above post
http://www.irey.com/OutOfTouch.aspx
This is on the google page: DIANA IREY US CONGRESS :: Out of touch600 Park Avenue | Monongahela, PA 15063 | p/724-258-2300 | f/724-258-8600 | e/Diana@Irey.com · Privacy & Security Policy.

saut de l ange June 25, 2006 - 12:26pm

Yes, she approves. It's on her website.

ElectroOverlord June 24, 2006 - 9:59pm

If it's on her website then that announces her approval of the smear campaign.

saut de l ange June 25, 2006 - 12:28pm

joining the smear campaign

This blog is getting donations the same way.

Freeper's comments:

Excellent appearance by Ms. Irey.(on Fox) As Peach says, she appears calm and informed. I think she should portray herself as a sort of "Mrs. Smith goes to Washington to defend our GI's."
She seems to be doing pretty well. By the way, in case you didn't hear, Rush said Murtha had a challenger who was a "real babe" but THEN didn't know her name. Grrrr.

To: Peach
I suspect Rush's comment did more for Ms. Irey than all the publicity money could buy. Murtha deserves to go down in flames.

I notice they're using the word "hysterical" against Murtha.

saut de l ange June 25, 2006 - 12:44pm

Hahahahaha!!! Look at her

Hahahahaha!!! Look at her so-called "professional web designs." I emailed her and asked her for some links to her work. She emailed back and sent along the links below.

http://www.operationstreetcorner.com/

http://www.childrensworldonline.com/

http://www.electbenfranks.com/qualifications.htm

I didn't know professionals were still using clipart in their web designs.

Brawlin_Dem June 25, 2006 - 3:27pm

Amanda

I do a podcast (liberal) and I emailed her asking to interview her. I didn't tell her I was liberal though. I'll let you know if she responds.

shellius June 25, 2006 - 6:53pm

Thanks Shellius

That would be one interesting conversation to hear. :)

Tina June 25, 2006 - 7:20pm

Followup on email to Amanda

I didn't disclose to Amanda that I was a liberal podcaster/blogger, ( http://www.citizenagainstlies.com ) and she pawned off my email to someone else. Larry Bailey. This is what he wrote to me:
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Shelly,

I'm president of Vets for the Truth, successor to Vietnam Vets for the Truth. Amanda Prewett Doss forwarded your e-mail.

May I ask you to provide me with some of your work? I certainly don't mind being interviewed.

Larry Bailey
Chocowinity, NC

His email: larryklr@cox.net
--------

FWIW, This is what I had written to Amanda:

To: amandapdoss@yahoo.com

What are you planning to do against Jack Murtha this year or next? I'm interested because I do a political podcast. I'd like to interview you if you have time.

----

Well, I guess I won't be interviewing either one of them, but I did get an email address for Mr. Bailey, not that I'll be using it.

Shelly

shellius June 28, 2006 - 8:45am

Raw Story:

New 'Murtha Lied' Website posts 'hateful' emails after liberal blogs start digging

A new Website devoted to the "lies" of Pennsylvania Democratic Congressman Jack Murtha went live a few days early in order to post "hateful" emails sent by readers of liberal blogs that were tipped off early and had already begun digging into the site's background, RAW STORY has found.

Although the original url for the Website was to be www.murthalied.com, a few days ago, one of the site's founders, retired Navy Captain Larry Bailey, purchased a new url at BootMurtha.com. Bailey served as president of Vietnam Veterans For The Truth, which attacked 2004 Democratic Presidential candidate Senator John Kerry's military record, on the heels of the more well-known Swift Boat Veterans For Truth.

(...)

Expose those involved

Sean-Paul Kelley, editor of The Agonist, a community blog online since September of 2002, was one of the first to "track down and investigate and expose those involved in this enterprise," with the help of his readers and fellow bloggers.

Kelley's post They're Gonna Swiftboat Murtha contained an email address and picture for Amanda P. Doss, the site's manager, along with information about her past work and connections.

"The person who set up the site is one Amanda P. Doss, and a quick google search turns up this site: www.operationstreetcorner.com, which is a wonderful site, as Billy found out, dedicated to: "The Vietnam Veterans' Grassroots Campaign Against John Kerry and Jane Fonda, traitors to our country," wrote Kelley.

Earlier today, Doss fired back by posting some of the emails she received which she characterized as "hateful and even threatening."...

...Bailey was surprised when informed by RAW STORY that Doss went live with the site, but though he doesn't want to detract from the intended purpose of the site, he understood why Doss went ahead, since she was very upset with some of the emails she had received.

Liberal bloggers respond

"I don't regret putting her email address in my post because her email address was widely available," Sean-Paul Kelley told RAW STORY. "What I regret was that people used her email to send her nasty comments instead of trying to engage her in a substantive debate."

In fact, personal information about someone connected to Doss was posted by one Agonist reader, and Kelley immediately deleted it...

link

Escher Sketch June 26, 2006 - 1:41am

Looking at most of what she

Looking at most of what she has said, she has no issues with stretching the truth. I'd like proof that those emails came because of this site and that they are, in fact, even real.

Once you hold the light up to her, you'll see that she's full of it. Don't forget, she said she designed sites for Dems. Where are those sites? My guess is that they don't exist.

Brawlin_Dem June 26, 2006 - 1:48am

Grateful for info

I am new here at this community. However, I wanted to thank everyone for the info on who is behind this hateful smear campaign of John Murtha. This subject has been bothering me for the past month.

This morning I wrote an eamil to Diana Irey and the daycare center who employed Amanda Doss to express my deep concern about there affiliation with such a mean-spirited campaign to smear a patriotic veteran, John Murtha. My emails were professional in tone. I believe it is very important for all of us to speak out about this travesty.
I have no desire to debate with Doss. I have no reason to send hateful emails, but I did feel compelled to express to Irey and the daycare center how sad it is that they support this type of smear of a great man.

ChimpCoulter June 26, 2006 - 10:12am

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