But, But, What'll The Wingnuts Do?


Reciprocity? Shi'a and Sunni co-operation? Releasing prisoners from Abu Ghraib? Talks of clemency? Reconciliation? Amnesty for insurgents who've killed American troops? Can this be real?

This report from the Washington Post says it is.

From the second graf:

Maliki's declaration of openness to talks with some members of Sunni armed factions, and the prospect of pardons, are concessions that previous, interim governments had avoided. The statements marked the first time a leader from Iraq's governing Shiite religious parties has publicly embraced national reconciliation, welcomed dialogue with armed groups and proposed a limited amnesty.

Much more after the jump.

This is clearly a reciprocal gesture, on the part of Maliki and the Shi'a he represents, for giving up Zarqawi. There is no other way to square it.

I do have a question about the planned release of 'evildoers' from Abu Ghraib later today, which the WaPo characterizes as "[a] U.S.-Iraqi agreement to free thousands of detainees in U.S.-run prisons in Iraq this month. Hundreds are due to be released from the Abu Ghraib prison on Thursday." If we can release the 'evildoers' from prison in the "central front" of the Global War On Terror, how about GITMO? If not, why?

But let's talk about this amnesty thing, ok? What would be the qualifications for amnesty? Here's what the Post says:

"The government has in mind somehow to do reconciliation, and one way to do it is to offer an amnesty, but not a sort of unconditional amnesty," Kadhimi said in a telephone interview. "We can see if somehow those who are so-called resistance can be accepted if they have not been involved in any kind of criminal behavior, such as killing innocent people or damaging infrastructure, and even infrastructure if it is minor will be pardoned."

I read that to mean no jihadis. Anyone disagree? Want to clarify?

What really struck me as promising, for the whole of Iraq not to mention our war effort there, comes towards the end of the article:

Maliki's statements come as there is growing openness to dialogue on all sides of Iraq's ethnic and religious divides. Talabani told reporters at a news conference in the Kurdish north last weekend that he believed 2006 might be the year of peace settlements for Iraq.

Similarly, the top Sunni Arab in Iraq's new government said this week that he believed a peace deal was "very close." Salam al-Zobaie, the deputy prime minister, said in an interview in his Baghdad office this week that the difference this time was that the new Shiite-led government was indicating openness to compromise.

I think there is a very good chance that something has snapped in Iraq. This sounds, moreover actually looks like, real and demonstrable progress. This statement from Maliki is more evidence of movement away from violence and towards settlement: "[Our offer will] include talks with the armed men who opposed the political process and now want to turn back to political activity." If there is progress to be had that means we can redeploy out of Iraq sooner rather than later, mission accomplished, kind of.

Of course, there is a catch. The WaPo reports:

Asked about clemency for those who attacked U.S. troops, he said: "That's an area where we can see a green line. There's some sort of preliminary understanding between us and the MNF-I," the U.S.-led Multi-National Force-Iraq, "that there is a patriotic feeling among the Iraqi youth and the belief that those attacks are legitimate acts of resistance and defending their homeland. These people will be pardoned definitely, I believe."

I'm not being snarky when I ask what'll the wingnuts do? Can they 'turn the other cheek' in the interests of a stable and secure Iraq? Or will the anti-Arab/anti-Muslim sentiment that has practically taken over the Conservative/Republican core preclude it? Or has all this just been an exercise in misplaced national vengeance?

More importantly, can the President swallow this?

Bill Arkin has doubts:

Can the President politically, even personally, look the other way on this? I doubt it. Frontier justice is too much a core element of his thinking.

If Bush and the neocons who got us into this war are serious about transforming the Middle-East, starting with Iraq, they better get used to words like clemency, reconciliation and amnesty. All three are truly what is essential to transforming this tragic and bloody region.

If Bush truly wants to be great, now is his chance.


Sean Paul Kelley June 15, 2006 - 1:27pm

I'm going to remain skeptical for now, but these do look like positive signs that could lead to major drawdowns of our forces in Iraq, which is my primary concern. Iraq might end up going any which way, and the initial signs of gangsterism, censorship and illiberalism (in terms of rights) in all areas of Iraq - the Kurdish north, the Shiite south, and the Sunni middle - are disturbing, to say the least, but it would be no small feat to get our friends and families out of harm's way while the Iraqis fight it out (whether figuratively or literally). Any hope we might have had to really influence a free and democratic course has already run its course, with some minor successes (maybe), but the fact that free assembly is considered by the Kurdish elite (supposed to be the most liberal) to be about 10-20 years out is probably a sign of things to come.

freelixir June 15, 2006 - 1:56pm

Looking through the Oil theory lens at the root of all things to do with Iraq, including internal politics and strife, can explain the actions of all parties involved. Yes there are the religious and tribal conflicts; however who controls the oil endgame has to be the maximum motivator at this time.

Nouri al-Maliki states:

“damaging infrastructure, and even infrastructure if it is minor will (not) be pardoned."

Infrastructure means oil facilities and pipelines. Do not forget the two things protected in Iraq during the initial push were the oil fields, pipelines, and Oil Ministry in Bagdad. Everything else was left to its own devices.

There has to be a diving up of the oil equally into the 3 main groups before some sort of calm can come.

The U.S. has to broker the Oil situation. With Cheney running the show, if the oil does not pump into his interests, then there will be no settlement of the oil question, only continued blood letting and roadside bombs.

"Takes a bucket of blood for a barrel of oil"

Steven Bruton

Peter C June 15, 2006 - 2:39pm

overriding concern for the war. Was it important? Of course. Was it the only reason? No. Will it be essential to ending the insurgency? Perhaps. I however, think making sure the Shi'a SUNNIS are not totally disenfranchised is the key element in any peace that materializes.

Bite Your Head Off

Sean Paul Kelley June 15, 2006 - 2:53pm

curious thing to say. Shiites are the majority and they have done everything in their newfound power to punish and eliminate Sunnis who formerly held power. The Vice President of Iraq recently travelled to Iran, solidifying their friendship with that Shiite government.

Sunnis who made up most of Saddam's power were for the most part secular and women wore no burkas. Now they do under the elected Shiite more fundamentalist majority.

What is being proposed is if an American was killed then that will be forgiven by the amnesty agreement. Not all Americans will agree with that, but mostly they are thousands of miles away and who is to say insurgents weren't wrongly depicted and should have been thought of as resisters to foreign occupation?

canuck June 15, 2006 - 4:37pm

RAW STORY
Published: Thursday June 15, 2006

New documents obtained by a conservative watchdog group suggest that the United States Army Corp of Engineers may have publicly lied regarding the involvement of the Vice President's office in awarding a 2003 multi-billion dollar, no-bid contract to Kellogg Brown and Root (KBR), a subsidiary of Halliburton, RAW STORY has learned.

RAW STORY has obtained a copy of the new documents, which were obtained by the group under a court order from a federal judge after the Corps refused to turn them over.

The Corps could not immediately be reached for comment.

Among the 100 pages of newly-obtained documents is an 2003 email in which Carol Sanders of the Army Corps writes, "Mr. Robert Andersen, Chief Counsel, USACE, participated in a 60 Minutes interview today in New York regarding the sole source award of the oil response contract to Kellogg, Brown and Root... [Andersen] was able to make many of the points we had planned."

Sanders subsequently provided sound bites from the interview, including, "There was no contact whatsoever (with the VP office)."


This directly contradicts another email uncovered by Judicial Watch in 2004.

That email, dated in March of 2003 was sent by an official of the Army Corps whose name was redacted. It stated, "We anticipate no issue (with the KBR deal) since the action has been coordinated w [sic] VP's office."

(...)

The Cheney contradiction is not the only cause for embarrassment in the documents.

One email, for example, includes a frank admission by an Army Corps of Engineer official: "I am copying you on this crap since I honestly believe the competitive procurement will never happen."

much more at link.

(no, not the only reason - ES)

Escher Sketch June 15, 2006 - 7:10pm

EOM

canuck June 15, 2006 - 5:30pm

to defend amnesty for insurgents

RAW STORY
Published: Thursday June 15, 2006

Five Republican Senators today took to the chamber floor invoking Nelson Mandela, the Confederacy, and even the Japenese to defend an Iraqi government plan to grant amnesty for insurgents who have attacked United States troops, or civilians, RAW STORY has learned.

Iraqi leadership has proposed amnesty for insurgents as part of the foundation of a new government.

“If they bore arms against our people," said Senator Ted Stevens of Alaska, "What's the difference between those people that bore arms against the Union in the War between the States? What’s the difference between the Germans and Japanese and all the people we’ve forgiven?”

Senator Lamar Alexander (R-TN) likened the granting of amnesty to former insurgents to efforts that earned Nelson Mandela a Nobel prize. "Forgiveness," he said, "has been a major factor in what has been a political miracle in Africa."

Senator Saxby Chambliss argued that forgiveness had already been at work in Iraq, asking: “Is it not true today that we have Iraqis who are fighting the war against the insurgents, who at one time fought against American troops and other coalition troops as they were marching to Baghdad, who have now come over to our side and are doing one heck of a job of fighting along, side by side, with Americans and coalition forces, attacking and killing insurgents on a daily basis?"

Majority Whip Mitch McConnell (R-KY) and John Cornyn (R-TX) each took to the floor to argue that there should be no argument--that debate over whether or not to condemn the actions of the new government were merely distractions from real debate.

“…Might it not just be as useful an exercise to be trying to pass a resolution commending the Iraqi government for the position that they’ve taken today with regard to this discussion of Amnesty?” asked McConnell.

link

(What's that "snapping" sound? Tens of thousands of cases of whiplash - ES)

Escher Sketch June 15, 2006 - 6:29pm

By Ellen Knickmeyer and Jonathan Finer
Washington Post Staff Writers
Thursday, June 15, 2006; 4:48 PM

BAGHDAD, June 15 -- Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki's office Thursday accepted the resignation of an aide who had told a reporter that Maliki was considering a limited amnesty that would likely include guerrillas who had attacked U.S. troops, the aide said.

The aide, Adnan Ali al-Kadhimi, stood by his account, reported in Thursday's issue of The Washington Post. Kadhimi said Maliki himself had indicated the same position less directly in public.

"The prime minister himself has said that he is ready to give amnesty to the so-called resistance, provided they have not been involved in killing Iraqis," Kadhimi said Thursday.

Maliki's office issued a statement earlier Thursday saying: "Mr. Adnan Kadhimi doesn't represent the Iraqi government in this issue, and Mr. Kadhimi is not an adviser or spokesman for the prime minister."

Kadhimi, who also worked as an aide to the previous Iraqi prime minister, Ibrahim Jafari, said he had submitted his resignation earlier in the week. He was informed Thursday that his resignation had been accepted, he said.

Another Maliki aide, asked if the amnesty being considered by the government was likely to apply to those who had attacked U.S. forces, said Maliki had been ''clear, saying those whose hands weren't stained with Iraqi blood" may be eligible for any amnesty.

That aide spoke on condition of anonymity, saying the new prime minister had not authorized anyone to speak for him. Another aide refused comment, on the same grounds.

(...)

link

(flippancy edited :D - ES)

Escher Sketch June 15, 2006 - 6:39pm

the article. Currently there are only 13...but some do vehemently object to amnesty like these 5 Republicans who have spoken out against it.

Lincoln was very wise to not have harsh legislation condemning the South at the end of the Civil War. Even so, there still are strong feelings and opinions among families for that war almost 141 years later. I doubt those psychological wounds will ever entirely heal.

There are speculations that the reason for WWII, was the harshness of the penalties that were supposed to be paid by Germany for WWI.

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Oops the link appears to have changed to a different story?

canuck June 15, 2006 - 6:48pm

as I assume your observation attached to this WaPo one refers to the "comment section" in the Raw Story post, is it possible you're looking at the other link?

Escher Sketch June 15, 2006 - 7:15pm

even the Iraqi's rejected limited amnesty and dismissed it

from the final draft that was made

From the above link:

"This is a trivial and insignificant statement," said Sadr aide Ahmed al-Shaibany. "Amnesties are for criminals, but resistance is legitimate and does not need an amnesty."

canuck June 15, 2006 - 7:42pm

It's not just the aide's comments that matter, but al-Maliki's precision in describing the amnesty as something for insurgents other than those who killed Iraqis. What other murderous insurgents are there? The thinking of the PM is all to clear - helping rid Iraq of an occupying force will be considered noble enough to warrant an amnesty, but blowing up Iraqis will not be.

The Republicans can talk all they want about the traditions of amnesty in the U.S. civil war, but this is a three way war with the U.S. military acting as just another militia, and one the Iraqis want to get rid of. So much for gratitude for 2500 American deaths.

I'm not sure this ingratitude - or perhaps it should be called insolent rejection - is going to sit well with Republican ideologues. It will be interesting to see if it plays at all on talk radio, the home of jingoism.

Numerian June 15, 2006 - 7:46pm

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