Many of us who are still manning stations are doing the one armed wallpaper hanger routine as we cover for reduced headcount. On the related topic of "lagging indicators" I fear we need look for NPOs to experience even worse times...

“The absence of any US-Iran bilateral channel...may have the perverse effect of reinforcing Iranian interest in progressing in the nuclear realm so that the US will be forced to take it seriously and engage it directly." ~ Richard Haass

JustPlainDave November 7, 2009 - 9:54am

if you had your hours cut you would fit in all three categories.

Tina November 7, 2009 - 10:02am

Yes, i'm underemployed considering my education, experience and intellectual ability. But i'm underemployed by choice. The area in which i live is not an economic powerhouse, so "good" jobs aren't easy to get. That being said, there are compelling reasons to live here and i willingly make the trade. It's also possible to live in relative comfort here without a "good" job.

My underemployment also contributes to my mental health, which is more important to me than a fat paycheck. Fresh air, exercise, and horticulture is one of those fields where it doesn't matter how much you know...there's always more that you don't know. (so in that respect it is intellectually stimulating)

But my underemployment is tangible work; it is honest, value-added work; and when my fair city is decked out in its summer splendor or people are discussing the delicious fruits of their garden labor i have the pleasure of knowing that i was a huge part of it.

Maybe it's easier for me to cope because i turned down the State Department; that is, it's a matter of choice for me. I worship in the house that Peterbilt because i want to do so, and an honest day's labor holds more value for me than status or a paycheck. I feel no shame in my blue collar or red neck; hell, i'm proud of them.

Then again, i don't slave away for a corporate master. My surplus labor value goes to people i know and like, it spoils grandchildren that i goof around with. And i know that my labor is appreciated because i'm told so while being looked in the eye and having my callused hand shook by another callused hand.

Good god, i sound like a damned John Cougar Mellencamp song...

Lex November 7, 2009 - 9:58am

Can you give some concrete details for those who may be interested in exploring a path similar to the one you've taken?

creativelcro November 7, 2009 - 10:31am

thought i hit reply, but posted it as a separate comment.

Lex November 7, 2009 - 11:33am

...but only after an exhaustive 5 1/2 month search, and taking a 15% cut in pay vs. my last job. My next-door neighbor has been out of work since last December and is becoming increasingly terrified of losing her condo once her UI benefit runs out. I noticed serious ageism (I'm 47) in some job listings, and she's about 55, so it must be even harder for her.

It's been tempting to splurge a little, maybe replace my old car, but being out of work that long and living on UI and savings with no debt taught me a hard lesson. THe new job is great and all but nothing's secure anymore, so my wallet remains closed until the real economy improves (stock market != economy). Yesterday's unemployment numbers were horrific and this thing is NOT over no matter all the squee and yelp from CNBC and other whores.

forty2 November 7, 2009 - 11:18am

I live in the largest city (20,000...29,000 when the students are in town) in Michigan's Upper Peninsula, tucked against the shore of Lake Superior. Winter is brutal, but my five mile commute hugs the lake shore and serves as a constant reminder that nature is bigger than humanity.

Honestly, i stumbled into my current life. And it took me a long, long time to realize that sometimes the opportunities presented are more rewarding than all the grand schemes and plans put together. Shit, i was lucky to escape university with no debt and even luckier to spend half a decade living outside the US. (which allows me to live without having to pay back my education and not dwell too much on what could have been)

Against the exhortation of my family, i've always found physical work more rewarding than "career" type work. It took me a long time to let go of what i thought life should be and accept what it is and i am.

My grandfather has always told us, "Develop hobbies when you're young so you don't end up like all the old men living around me: bored and pissed off." I was just lucky in that i found a way to make one of my hobbies into a paying gig.

A lot of it is about giving up on the "American Dream", and that's easier when you have to drive 3 hours to be a serious consumer. I'm good with a 23 year old pickup truck and a relatively simple life. I was raised in a UAW town, and looking back i can see that those guys didn't have "great" jobs. What they had were jobs that provided the necessary security and jobs that ended when they punched out; their fulfillment came outside of work.

That's a lesson that i think America has forgotten. If we're looking for fulfillment in our career, it's going to be hard to not feel under employed. At certain times of the year i am married to my work, but then i take a walk around the neighborhood and get to see that work...and it makes people happy, so there's a reward.

I don't have a step-by-step, like i said i stumbled into this life. But i think that the first step is to figure out how to be true to ourselves; establish our priorities based on that; and be willing to persevere. My priority was sanity. I tried a lot of shit that didn't work, then i sort of gave up and found the sanity i was looking for.

I've got a few simple rules of life: live where other people go on vacation, use my library card, and stay the fuck away from corporate America.

That probably wasn't very helpful, but that's all i've got.

Lex November 7, 2009 - 11:31am

I'm still in career mode, but that's because it's the only way I can keep doing what I like doing (I'm a scientist and I like to do research; so, I have to have a job that pays me for doing that). As New England Universities become more and more like regular corporations, run by blind administrators with no appreciation for the culture of knowledge for the sake of it, I find myself looking more and more for academic jobs at less insane places.

creativelcro November 7, 2009 - 12:06pm

that it's less insane that out East (i have professor friends who just finished negotiating a contract and they have more than a few words for the corporate administrators), and i don't know your field...but i do know that many profs migrate to Northern Michigan University because of the lifestyle that it affords them.

"Starter home" prices elsewhere can still get you a nice house in a nice neighborhood close enough to the Lake to walk down with your morning coffee. While we're a backwater by metropolitan standards, we're culturally outsized for the population. And if you love nature, this is as good a place to be as anywhere on the planet.

Lex November 7, 2009 - 12:44pm

Recently another 5% pay cut and yet my productivity as a technologist has risen; where in the old days it took days to write and debug a simple piece of code today takes an hour because of better tools computers etc. Yet I work hours longer each day.

We need a NATION WIDE STRIKE for Real healthcare reform

Joaquin November 7, 2009 - 12:21pm

Hey, Sean Paul. Where's the category for all us self unemployed writers, artists and singers of songs? :)

Chickadee November 7, 2009 - 12:54pm

Employed... But good point, perhaps it should be an extra category...

creativelcro November 7, 2009 - 4:42pm

Just made it before all this _________ hit the fan!

readr satx November 7, 2009 - 1:11pm

is reporting the real unemployment number at slightly above 22%.

I did inhale.

Don November 7, 2009 - 7:41pm

as employed? Ask me again in 6 months and we'll see how my answer has changed!

Bolo November 8, 2009 - 2:00am

When the real solution to the employment problem will be dicussed. Efficiency in industry will require a shift to a 32 hour work week which would provide full employment and allow industry to continue becoming more efficient. Europe has been expanding the lower hour full time worker for some time. However it does require a healthcare solution.

This was a systemic decline in employment not cyclic. You cN tell because productivity has exploded. Technology is removing the need for as many workers.

The other thing is to begin taxing energy and materials but not labor. This wl have to happen within the next six years.
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Scotjen61 November 8, 2009 - 9:24pm

You have to keep in mind that what today's economists call "productivity" includes cluster bombs, payday loans, bulimia-enhancing drugs, the guy denying your insurance claim, and CDO of CDO. These (to quote conservative rhetoric) are actual waste, fraud, and abuse-- not productivity in any positive sense.

We sorely need a reliable systematic way to distinguish real economic activity from squandering, scamming, and parasitism. If we can't do this, we can't effectively reward one and encumber the other.

The post-Reagan Revolution years have clearly borne out our national predilection for thoroughly unproductive "productivity".

chalo November 9, 2009 - 2:53pm

I hope someone can help me understand how improvements in productivity will solve the employment problem.

I just wrote a quick and dirty program this morning in one hour. During that hour I wrote it and several unit test cases that the program passed. Within an hour and half it was in the hands of others who will use it to improve the internal search capabilities of a website.

The same accomplishment, thirty five years ago, when I first started in this business, would have taken more than a week. I have seen at least a hundredfold increase in my own productivity over the years. Part of it, I like to think, is my own maturing but most of it, I admit, is that technology makes it possible.

How many professionals can report that their work productivity has increased a hundredfold? Mine has and yet, in recent years, I've taken a 50% pay cut and its harder to find a job. Neither am I compensated for my increasing productivity nor am I a more valuable worker and yet we all hear that there is a shortage of technologists such as myself. The truth is, there is a shortage of technologists who are willing to take yet another pay cut.

We need a NATION WIDE STRIKE for Real healthcare reform

Joaquin November 9, 2009 - 3:07pm

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