Why Some People Are Just Fine with the Collapse of the Debt Ceiling Negotiations


If political functionality were a means test for a country’s credit-worthiness, the US would have lost its AAA rating a long time ago. The country which prides itself as the “World’s Greatest Democracy” has puts its dysfunctional political system on display for months now, in a struggle to get the debt ceiling increased. The resulting spectacle has nauseated even the ever-complacent American public: both Democrats and Republicans are now given losing grades by the voters for their performance in this farce. If the country had a legitimate third party to vote for, the Democrats and Republicans would be in serious trouble. Of course, the political system is geared to prevent third parties from emerging, so the country flounders about, looking for leadership from pusillanimous Democrats or ideological Republicans who consider raising taxes a mortal sin. The voters are probably a few steps away from concluding what is meant to be hidden but by now should be obvious: American democracy doesn’t exist, and the political system in Washington is beyond repair. What is worse: there are people and organizations who like things just the way they are and will fight any attempts at reform.

How to Cripple a Government

Let us look at a sad laundry list of governance failures that have built up over time and which now have paralyzed Washington’s political process.

• The average Congressman spends only about half their time in governance – meaning reading and introducing legislation, attending debates, working on committees, and voting. The rest of the time is spent raising money and campaigning for reelection.

• Newt Gingrich when he was Speaker of the House in the 1990s introduced a “pay for play” system. Corporate lobbyists who wanted access to the Republican majority had to pay for it with campaign donations first. Every Republican House member was given a yearly target of donations they had to raise on their own or fall out of favor, and the targets ratcheted upwards for committee chairs and party leaders. Gingrich himself had a multi-million dollar fundraising target. The size of these targets was large enough that not only did they consume enormous time, they could only be raised from corporate lobbyists. Gingrich essentially turned the House over to corporations, in the hopes that the Republicans would raise enough money to become a permanent majority. Unfortunately, the Democrats chose to emulate this system and eventually took over the House, in part by raising the ante. When Nancy Pelosi was Speaker, she inherited and enforced the same pay-for-play system, only by 2004 the amounts involved were staggering – tens of millions of dollars raised yearly for the party from fat-cat donors and corporations.

• Politicians interested in running for president mimicked this pay for play system by engaging in a monetary armaments race. When President Clinton ran for reelection in 1996, he overwhelmed the Republicans by raising an astounding $46 million. Barack Obama won the presidency in 2008 with a campaign fund of $750 million, and is on his way to raising $1 billion for reelection. The exponential increase in these campaign war chests has nothing to do with the rate of inflation or the cost of running for office, but has everything to do with auctioning off access to the White House to the highest bidder. Only wealthy individuals and corporations can play at this league, and therefore only their interests ultimately get satisfied in administration policy.

• Corporations have taken full advantage of this system. During the Bush administration, corporate lobbyists were given unprecedented access to committee mark-up sessions in the Republican-controlled House, which means they were able to introduce and amend legislation as if they had been elected members of the body. Companies also were allowed to appoint their executives to high positions in the administration; this is how the oil and gas industry was able to water down environmental controls over off-shore drilling, which eventually led to BP’s oil rig disaster in the Gulf of Mexico. Pharmaceutical companies obtained lucrative non-compete clauses which prevent Medicare from shopping for lower prices for the drugs used by seniors. The banking and finance industry, of course, was given nearly a trillion dollars in benefits during the 2008 credit crisis, much of this delivered secretly through their captive benefactor, the Federal Reserve Bank.

• Perhaps the most important accomplishment of corporations in this era of pay for play has been their ability to extricate themselves from the tax system. The corporate contribution to tax revenues has fallen to the lowest level since the introduction of a corporate tax rate, and this has been accomplished in one industry after another through tax exemptions, deferrals, and forgiveness schemes. America’s most profitable company – Apple Computers – is a perfect example of how this system works. Apple uses off-shore tax havens for the purpose of declaring revenue to Internal Revenue, thus lowering its effective tax rate to around 3%. Janitors at Apple pay a higher tax rate than the company does. The massive hoard of cash that Apple has built up – around $80 billion – comes courtesy of the American taxpayer, who must make up the loss to the Treasury. Microsoft has now joined this scam as well: Microsoft channels almost all of its earnings, including its US sales, through Singapore, Ireland, and Puerto Rico – all of which are tax havens. This reduces the company’s effective tax rate to 7%, allowing it to “beat” market estimates for earnings, despite a significant fall-off in sales of its basic software products.

• To prevent politicians from turning against their corporate donors, certain safeguards have been introduced into the political system. In the Senate, both parties have taken advantage of what used to be a little-used stalling tactic – the filibuster – which any Senator may employ if he has the stamina to dominate debate for hours on end. In the past two decades the party out of power has learned to collectively impose a filibuster to prevent a vote from coming to the floor, and since it takes 60 votes by the rules to overturn such a filibuster, persistent use of this tool has effectively converted the Senate from a majority rule body to a super-majority rule body. All significant votes now require at least 60 senators to approve passage, which gives the minority virtual veto power over legislation. The consequence is that the Senate is a paralyzed institution, effectively put out of business except for innocuous legislation that everyone can agree upon, or more importantly, legislation that benefits corporations which generously fund the campaigns of both parties (like the finance industry).

• In the House, there is no filibuster mechanism, so it is much harder to control a body that requires only a majority vote for passage. Therefore, corporations have de facto taken away the ability of the current majority in the House – the Republicans – from ever increasing taxes. This is done through the corporation-funded Americans for Tax Reform, run by Grover Norquist, the man who is now recognized even in the mainstream press as having personal veto power over whether the debt ceiling will be raised or taxes will ever go up. Norquist accomplishes this feat by getting all Republican candidates for Congress to sign “The Pledge”, promising never to raise taxes under any circumstances. If he comes across any Republican politician who violates The Pledge, he has large amounts of corporate money at his backing to run a primary opponent against the politician, and his candidate has won in almost all such challenges. The threat to Republican politicians is therefore very real, and they all remember how George H.W. Bush was defeated for reelection after violating his campaign promise on “no new taxes.” Grover Norquist essentially guarantees corporations that their tax rates can only go down, and never up. While it is true that Democrats are not as prone to Norquist’s extortion racket, because they don’t sign The Pledge, Democrats in the House are still subject to withdrawal of corporate donations if they vote the wrong way. Now that corporations can legally run campaign ads of their own, both Democrats and Republicans are loath to go against corporate demands.

Just Try to Get the Debt Ceiling Raised in This Environment

The pantomime of debt ceiling meetings, debates, proposals, and votes, is made almost meaningless by the inability of Congress or the White House to effect any reform of their political system. The system is now designed to provide maximum benefits to the wealthy and to corporations, and to prevent any back-sliding in case the Congress wants to remove these benefits. Significant revenue cannot be raised because Republicans in the House will never countenance an increase in taxes. Real savings cannot be achieved through closing off corporate loopholes because the lobbyists for these corporations will threaten to withdraw campaign donations for the offending Congressmen. Should the White House and the House of Representatives agree on a proposal of spending cuts, it would take a super majority of Senators to approve it.

As a consequence, you get some bizarre outcomes in the debt ceiling debate. If President Obama and the Democrats are going to deliver any meaningful budget cuts, it will have to come from those who are no longer represented in the Congress – namely, The People. This is why Barack Obama is willing to gut Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid, even though Social Security is self-funded through ongoing tax revenues paid by The People (unlike the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan), and even though Medicare and Medicaid are run more efficiently that private health care systems. The Republicans, of course, have always wanted to gut these ‘welfare” systems, so this is the only grounds upon which all parties can agree to achieve any savings.

What makes this attention on social programs even more absurd is the fact that the increase in the federal deficit since 2000 has been almost entirely due to three things: the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy, the unfunded wars and military expansion (military expenditures have tripled in this time frame), and the bank bailouts of 2008. None of these programs was paid for by new taxes, and it is the borrowing made necessary by these programs that has taken a serious budget deficit problem and turned it into an existential crisis that threatens the US AAA rating. All during this period, with the exception of the economic downturn in 2008-2009, corporate earnings have increased and corporate contributions to the Treasury have decreased.

This is why the Senate has come up with the idea of the “Super Congress” as a means of getting any significant spending cuts through the Congress. The Super Congress will consist of six Republicans and six Democrats selected from both houses, and assigned to work out real budget cuts and tax increases to bring the deficits under control. They will be required to finish their work by the fall of this year, and they are promised that their proposals will be brought before both houses for a simple up or down, majority vote, with no amendments allowed. The Super Congress idea is an admission by the real Congress of its true dysfunctionality. It is a cry of despair from the real Congress, which is willing to subvert the Constitution in order to disenthrall itself from the grip of the wealthy people and corporations who have bought the Congress for themselves.

None of this suggests that Barack Obama is even considering abandoning his servitude to corporate interests. He’s merrily going along from one fundraiser to the next, raising millions of dollars each week from hedge fund managers and corporate lobbyists, so that he can get reelected as a “centrist” and bipartisan deal maker. This is based on his reading of what The People want – an end to the divisiveness in Washington – but Obama is fundamentally misreading the problem in Washington. It isn’t the rancor, name-calling, and petulance that is constantly on display which worries the American people. It is the backroom deals, the hidden bailouts, the tax evasions, the deregulation initiatives, the lack of prosecution for criminal behavior, that is more than frustrating Americans, because the beneficiaries of all this are wealthy people and corporations who have shifted power and money to themselves. Voters want this system overthrown – even the Tea Party voters, who keep searching for Republicans who will finally say no to corporate money.

One Last Chance?

Most people think a last minute deal will be reached. If it is, it will be a band-aid placed on a cancerous tumor. The real problems of raising taxes and cutting expenses will be left to some committee, or to some unspecified future legislation. Or, there will be promises to slow the growth in deficits, but not really to return to the days ten years ago when the deficit was only $400 billion. Since nothing of substance will be done here and now, the rating agencies will have every reason to downgrade US debt.

Financial Armageddon may not ensue from this downgrade – the market may just have to get used to the benchmark “risk free rate” being less than stellar, because there is no alternative in market size and liquidity to US Treasuries. Still, it will be a landmark event – an exclamation point to the closing out of the American Century. Certain names will be plastered all over this debacle: Newt Gingrich, Grover Norquist, George W. Bush, Harry Reid, and Barack Obama. The Democrats have to be included in this list because they acquiesced in the pay to play system, and have never challenged wealthy donors and corporate lobbyists to start contributing to the welfare of the US rather than continually working to subvert it. All of these men are too deep into the system to realize the subservient role they have played, though they must have a niggling sensation that they spent far too much of their time chasing after big donations.

While you are reading this, the debt problem grows. The US will spend $20 billion this year to air condition the tents for its troops in Afghanistan and Iraq. Taxes from wealthy Americans will be hundreds of billions less than they would have been if Barack Obama had let the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy lapse. The interest on the debt continues to compound, even though it is temporarily being kept under control by the Fed’s Zero Interest Rate Policy. This may cease to be effective if the AAA rating is lost. Apple and Microsoft and hundreds of other corporations enjoy record profits yet pay hardly any taxes. Meanwhile, the people who do pay taxes – The People in middle class and poor economic condition – shoulder a greater and greater financial burden as they are all pushed closer and closer to a subsistence existence.

And yet, hardly any politicians tell us the truth – that the middle class and poor are tapped out, and that the only place left to raise the necessary cash here and now to at least stop the deficit from growing are wealthy people and corporations. That’s it – that’s where all the money is, and until the United States finds a political way to tap into that money, its deficits will continue to go up, while its debt rating will continue to go down.


Numerian July 25, 2011 - 11:12am

According to Senator Bernie Sanders' (independent, Vermont) website, the recent GAO audit has made public that the "Fed unilaterally provided trillions of dollars in financial assistance to foreign banks and corporations from South Korea to Scotland, according to the GAO report."

"The Fed outsourced virtually all of the operations of their emergency lending programs to private contractors like JP Morgan Chase, Morgan Stanley, and Wells Fargo. The same firms also received trillions of dollars in Fed loans at near-zero interest rates. Altogether some two-thirds of the contracts that the Fed awarded to manage its emergency lending programs were no-bid contracts. Morgan Stanley was given the largest no-bid contract worth $108.4 million to help manage the Fed bailout of AIG."

http://sanders.senate.gov/newsroom/news/?id=9e2a4ea8-6e73-4be2-a753-62060dcbb3c3

BC Nurse Prof July 25, 2011 - 2:10pm

when you can turn your own country into one where you already speak the language.

someofparts July 25, 2011 - 2:25pm

The most valuable thing the President has is time, waste it, use it, delay the clock. Every week spent on a contrived ceiling increase is another week not spent on something else. The clock ticks toward November 2012, and that is the game at play. The media is incapable of reporting as to the game, and breathlessly report this thing as a 'CRISIS' because it meets their need of disaster porn, the only thing the US media is able to report.

The ideal scenario, the one trying to be accomplished, is a short term extension and the ability to waste still more time next spring. Run out the clock. Beyond that default cannot occur.

Ironically, a default would essentially be a tax on the rich. The rich are disproportionately sensitive to the continued stable operation of the Government finance mode. 92% of the debt is owned within the United States. Nearly $1 trillion alone is owned by high net worth individuals. The elderly with pensions is the largest block, and those would tend to be the wealthier elderly, would be impacted. Stock declines disproportionately impact the rich. Business borrowing rises, a tax on the rich. Entitlements would almost certainly be protected, so the areas of cut would be subsidies and payments to companies by the government, which would negatively impact the rich.

The game republicans are playing defies rational thought, because there is no rational thought going on. The problem is a cabal of republican house freshman who cannot be controlled. Republicans are currently incapable of controlling their voting caucuses. The Republicans today are not a party, they are essentially a protest movement. There is absolutely no ability to govern, no policy, or plan or anything.

It is another death throe of republican party which is devolved to a southern regional party. But know this, dieing political movements are very very dangerous things. It is what terrorism is made of.

In fact, this current group of republicans are essentially terrorists within the government.

Scotjen61 July 25, 2011 - 2:44pm

Dying political movements cause civil wars and terrorism, and are typified by looting Oligarchies.

Terrorism is caused by people who believe themselves disenfranchised, and are the symptoms of the birth of a political movement (aka: Freedom Fighters) -- one person's terrorist is another person's freedom fighter.

Political Movements born out of "terrorism" are generally not a benign political movements, because they are born out of violence and intolerance, some learned, and some imposed by the system they are fighting, and they make their rule legitimate by the continued use of violence on the peoples of the state.

Synoia July 25, 2011 - 3:52pm

What I said. You just described the Republican Party.

Scotjen61 July 25, 2011 - 4:25pm

"Civil War not Terrorism"

oops.

Synoia July 25, 2011 - 8:40pm

across the board are one charismatic (but insane) leader away from surrender to total facism. Pack up the tents, piss on the fires of freedom, close the doors of democracy facism. Hell, theu wouldn't even care if it meant they could cull some liberals, gays, and mexicans from the "land of the free". Combine that desire with someone who can fire up the factories making tanks, or bombers, or razor wire, or ??? at decent wages and how is the USA not Nazi Germany?

Sick fuckers, but such is life.

zot23 July 26, 2011 - 11:14am

What is likely to happen is to simply give Obama the authority to raise the debt ceiling, no strings attached - and by the way what Congress has done 38 times before, simply raise the ceiling. Which is what Congress should have done in the first place. But then they would not have wasted all of May, June and July - the precious time of Obama's Presidency. Waste all his time and then give him what they should have in April.

Scotjen61 July 25, 2011 - 2:50pm

It's funny how obvious this stuff is, yet we still have the Kabuki theater of these institutions and the attendant Sunday news shows.

Nihilism, ruthlessness, bribery. These are what the American System truly values.

KingElvis July 25, 2011 - 3:00pm

They have a history of defaulting, and they want the US to follow their example:

http://lafiga.firedoglake.com/2011/07/20/tea-party-poopers-sued-over-las-vegas-covention-fail/

Synoia July 25, 2011 - 3:46pm

Numerian, a question.

Given the under-appreciated influence on the "movement" of US equity indicies and individual issues exercised by HFTs, do you have any thoughts as to the "risk/reward" posture of institutionals (among our most active HFT operators) with regard to these seemingly impetuous inter- and intra-day changes as the occur within the shadows of a manufactured "crisis"?

wphurley July 25, 2011 - 4:53pm

Something like 75% of daily volume is generated by computer programs on auto-pilot. Anywhere from 75-100 firms specialize in creating and running these programs, and most of these are hedge funds with direct access to NYSE computers that give them a micro-second advantage in gauging the immediate direction of the market from the volume and direction of the order flow.

The computers are able to front-run the market - positioning their trade in advance of certain knowledge of orders about to be placed. This is technically illegal, but because the NYSE allows it, it is presumed to be in compliance with SEC guidelines in some degree.

But there's more. There is reasonable forensic evidence that the programs manipulate market prices by issuing huge amounts of buy or sell orders, then withdrawing them micro-seconds later before they can be filled. Prices drop (or rise) quickly and reverse course immediately. With its advance knowledge, the firm can position and profit from the move.

The amount of money made in these activities is minuscule per deal, but it adds up to billions each year extracted from the market by these firms. The Flash Crash in May 2010 was caused by the market manipulation of one of these programs, and since then there have been numerous flash crashes in individual stocks that show that these practices are continuing.

A third, more traditional activity involves technical positioning based on moving averages and other indicators. This is not illegal trading, but the huge volume that can be moved by hedge funds can move the market. These plays are for a few days to a few months, and you can see their influence by the tendency of the market to bounce off the 30 and 50 day moving averages, or certain trend lines.

For the first two activities, the risk/reward ratio is very low, since it involves trading off a form of inside information. The third activity is more risky but these days it takes some pretty surprising news to cause the market to run through computer support and resistance levels. Most of the time, therefore, this activity pays off for the computers. You can see this past month that this is how the market has been manipulated, by the way it bounced quickly off the DJ 50 day MVA every time it was hit.

Most experienced analysts and traders say this is the most technically driven equity market they have ever seen. The average investor doesn't stand a chance in this market, and will get fleeced on each deal for a fraction of a penny. More seriously, they will get trampled completely if there is another flash crash, which seems likely since the SEC has not been successful in outlawing the practice. If you add in the fact that the Fed has been deliberately manipulating the market with its QE2 program, equities have ceased to be an asset class that is freely traded and safe for any investor other than the manipulating hedge funds.

Numerian July 25, 2011 - 6:50pm

...now here's what I was thinking.

Given the new state of equities as an asset class, I see no problem with the equities markets taking an ass-kicking over debt ceiling intransigence.

It's clear that a goodly number of individuals will take a hit as the equities portion of their portfolios get spanked. But the upside, as I see it, is the wholesale evisceration of the publics' marCaps. Maybe then, CEOs and BoDs will get off their asses and put the trillions in cash-on-hand to work - real work - instead of wasting more money inflating stock prices through 9 figure buyback programs. Moreover, though unlikely, these same captains of industry may see the evidence of their decades long internalization and financing of "supply-side" and laissez-faire economic/tax policies - and change their ways. As I said, unlikely - but I'd willingly gamble a trillion or two of their MarCaps to find out.

wphurley July 25, 2011 - 10:45pm

The market can stay manipulated longer than you can stay solvent.

I made a nice nut up until 2007, when the bottom basically fell out and TARP tamed the stock market (for good.) SInce then, fundamental trades that should have paid out x2-x4 the investment make nothing, short selling is frozen or outlawed at will, the CME will raise or lower margins on futures (see silver the last 3 months) to achieve a desired price. You just cannot make a buck based on fundamental analysis, charting technicals, or any method that doesn't involve having an inside "edge" of some kind. Investing in the stock market today is like playing russian roulette with a gun that has 4/6 chambers filled. At best, nothing happens; at worst, you are obliterated. It's just not worth it.

Metals are still good and should have a while to run (if they are not manipulated completely out of mind or flat out confiscated.) If you somehow had access to an energy source like oil or NG that is fantastic, paper shares in such resources are worthless IMHO. Land that produces food is a good idea, or access to one (make nice with a local farmer.) Other than that, the easiest thing to do is pay off your debts and do not incur new ones if possible.

The short version though is the stock market is eventually f^&*ed, as are we as a culture. We should be working now on what our next culture will be like, this one is done and ready to be carved up.

zot23 July 26, 2011 - 11:27am

Most excellent writing both in structure and content.

My question is: if cash flow into the U.S. Treasury falls short of meeting obligations, who gets paid and who gets shorted? Will Treasury make the decisions?

I would assume that the debt gets paid first, then military, social spending gets what is left.

"There are two types of folk music:
quiet folk music and loud folk music.
I play both."

Dave Alvin

Peter C July 26, 2011 - 9:15am

10% of the Government's current income would be enough to cover the interest payments on the debt.


One owes respect to the living. To the dead, one owes only the truth.

Raja July 26, 2011 - 9:44am

I don't know if 10% is the right number, but I have read that if the debt is frozen at around $14 trillion, current tax receipts are more than adequate to cover ongoing interest payments and principal repayments. This assumes the federal government rolls over any maturing debt, and that interest rates do not increase dramatically. Even then, the Treasury has crammed most of the debt into the 10 year and under maturities, so exposure to interest rate changes is not as significant as it would have been five or so years ago.

The same analyses then show that the government has enough left over to pay Social Security and military salaries. I believe this brings outlays to about $1 trillion, which equals what is taken in on the income tax. That leaves about $700 billion in spending that will have to be withheld or cut, starting with government salaries. Federal employees in non-essential jobs will be put on extended furloughs without pay. All sorts of non-essential spending such as for National Parks would cease.

Assuming no last minute deal is reached by Thursday, which I gather is the absolute deadline for getting the bond issuance machine cranked up again, then there is a relatively easy way for the president to end this crisis: 1) Don't pay Social Security, and 2) Cancel payments to military contractors and for non-essential Pentagon procurements. Notice how Obama specifically said last night that Social Security payments would not be made. This is the first time he has explicitly used that threat, but if he wants to get political about this, he should start next week withholding every other Social Security payment, furloughing most government workers, and stopping all payments to government contractors, including the military. Virtually every S&P 500 company has contracts with the federal government. With this plan, you get the seniors, including most of the Tea Party, screaming in pain, and the business community upset. What Obama should say is "This is Republicanism in action. This is what the Republican Party is going to do if they take control of Washington."

Under this program, the United States does not default on its debt, legally or technically. All holders of Treasury bills, notes and bonds receive principal and interest payments on time. This is precisely what Republicans have been saying: that a debt freeze will not result in a "default." However, the government will obviously fail to meet its less formal obligations to employees, contractors, and many other citizens. This tarnishes completely the reputation of the government as a reliable partner, and is cause alone for downgrading its debt.

This could have been avoided if Obama allowed the Bush tax cuts to lapse, and if he pulled out of Afghanistan and Iraq, which are bleeding us dry. For that matter, to get the Pentagon and Homeland Security budgets back to 2004 levels is essential if the annual deficit is going to be brought anywhere under $1 trillion. This means undoing Bush's signature contributions to the destruction of the United States as a global political, military, and economic power, but Obama is too nice a guy to tackle the obvious.

Numerian July 26, 2011 - 10:36am

Making a political point by withholding Social Security checks is really cruel. Maybe withholding SS checks in excess of $1000 for people under, say, 72 years of age might be acceptable, but a person who lives on five or six hundred dollars a month or who is suffering from various age debilities shouldn't be a political counter.

nihil obstet July 26, 2011 - 12:14pm

How many folks are receiving Social Security in addition to significant other income? Age and the amount being paid out are far less relevant to my mind than whether the individual actually needs it. If the program is subsidizing folks' lifestyles in old age, that's an issue.

"For the most part, when people discuss international law they are using it as a tool in a broader policy debate.... Very few people, it turns out, care about international law for its own sake." ~ David Bosco

JustPlainDave July 26, 2011 - 12:33pm

recent articles tho say that the average income on SS is $19,0000

Are Your Social Security Benefits Taxable?

IRS Tax Tip 2011-26, February 07, 2011

The Social Security benefits you received in 2010 may be taxable. You should receive a Form SSA-1099 which will show the total amount of your benefits. The information provided on this statement along with the following seven facts from the IRS will help you determine whether or not your benefits are taxable.

How much – if any – of your Social Security benefits are taxable depends on your total income and marital status.

Generally, if Social Security benefits were your only income for 2010, your benefits are not taxable and you probably do not need to file a federal income tax return.

If you received income from other sources, your benefits will not be taxed unless your modified adjusted gross income is more than the base amount for your filing status.

Your taxable benefits and modified adjusted gross income are figured on a worksheet in the Form 1040A or Form 1040 Instruction booklet.

You can do the following quick computation to determine whether some of your benefits may be taxable:
• First, add one-half of the total Social Security benefits you received to all your other income, including any tax exempt interest and other exclusions from income.
• Then, compare this total to the base amount for your filing status. If the total is more than your base amount, some of your benefits may be taxable.

The 2010 base amounts are:
• $32,000 for married couples filing jointly.
• $25,000 for single, head of household, qualifying widow/widower with a dependent child, or married individuals filing separately who did not live with their spouses at any time during the year.
• $0 for married persons filing separately who lived together during the year.

For additional information on the taxability of Social Security benefits, see IRS Publication 915, Social Security and Equivalent >

Tina July 26, 2011 - 1:34pm

...among those who have high levels of taxable income from other sources, this isn't a substitute.

If someone has hundreds of thousands or millions of dollars of taxable income from other sources, I tend to not think much of piling SS on top of it. Yeah, it's unfair in that that wasn't the "deal" folks signed on for when they were paying into the system, but I will say, as someone paying into a system that I don't anticipate seeing anything out of myself, welcome to the deal "you" older folks have handed to younger generations without great concern or protest.

I'm willing to give up what I pay into our equivalent system in the name of benefiting those who need it, but I damned sure ain't doing it to subsidize an upper middle class lifestyle some folks seem to believe they "deserve" but can't pay for from their own resources.

"For the most part, when people discuss international law they are using it as a tool in a broader policy debate.... Very few people, it turns out, care about international law for its own sake." ~ David Bosco

JustPlainDave July 26, 2011 - 3:47pm

There should be no means test, both because of the rationale and structure of the program and because of the costs of administering the income information. That's why I argued for age and amount of the SS check only, since that's info in the SS computers already.

Although laid-off government employees also suffer, I do think that the disabilities of a poor 80-year-old to do work-arounds until resumption of the checks make her situation different. This is especially true in rural areas with little transportation, few services, and already severe cutbacks in state social services. It's bad if you're 40 or 50 years old on modest income, but a whole lot worse if you're 80 years old, physically frail, unable to drive or otherwise to undertake any physical do-it-yourself caretaking, no credit card, and barely enough to be able to eat until the end of the month. And frequently rather easily confused about exactly what's going on.

nihil obstet July 26, 2011 - 5:38pm

Since it can't at this point distinguish among tens of millions of seniors who receive payments once a month, it has to treat them all the same. In fact, the means test idea, which does have some merit if it were truly the case that the system was out of money, would add a layer of bureaucracy to the system that would dwarf what is set up now.

I don't see the moral difficulty of withholding checks for seniors. It is no more difficult than furloughing millions of government workers, many of whom have modest savings if they are typical Americans, and all of whom have just sacrificed their pension in this ongoing "crisis" (the assumption is the pension fund will be replenished when the debt limit is increased - let's hope that's right).

By the way, Republicans like to say that the SSS is broke. All the money saved up is just an illusion, because it has been spent by previous Congresses. The SSS has file cabinets filled with Treasury securities that are legal claims on the system. As long as Treasury redemptions and interest payments receive top priority in a debt freeze, Social Security will get its cash. This actually is a counter-argument to my idea of withholding SS payments deliberately. It may not be possible if the system is cashing in Treasuries which are first in line for any payment.

Numerian July 26, 2011 - 4:00pm

...between individuals? I know ours can up here - what's so different down there? I'm not sure that I uncritically buy the notion that a means test founded on income necessarily adds that huge a layer of bureaucracy - add assets to the mix and I can surely see it, but income I dunno. That said, you can certainly convince me as I don't know much about your system (and my sense is that your greater emphasis on deductions changes things a good deal).

"For the most part, when people discuss international law they are using it as a tool in a broader policy debate.... Very few people, it turns out, care about international law for its own sake." ~ David Bosco

JustPlainDave July 26, 2011 - 4:19pm

Treasury is at this very moment are using those funds that were to be deposited for retirement accounts. This is one of the accounting tricks to keep cash flowing. With the less SS taxes being taken in to give a 1 or 2% immediate cash flow boost to FICA taxpayers does not bode well for paybacks either.

The Republicans and Democrats are on the verge of complete victory by beating up financially 99.9 of everyone in the U.S.

The other .1% should be very happy.

"There are two types of folk music:
quiet folk music and loud folk music.
I play both."

Dave Alvin

Peter C July 26, 2011 - 4:29pm

I can see the servicing the debt as doable. Many programs in Afghanistan and Iraq are not funded through the military channels. Many departments such as State, Agriculture, Interior, Commerce, are all running programs worth Billions every month. Many of these programs will simply be left hanging in the field, if the funding shuts off. The U.S. personnel deployed in these programs will be lucky to get a ride out and back to the U.S.

Most government departments are funded by the year and have money in accounts that will get them though a very short term period without a cash infusion. If the funding does go unpredictable, what cash resources on had will go to getting people out and back as quickly as possible before the cash dries up.

There is some very heavy talk of open insurrection

"There are two types of folk music:
quiet folk music and loud folk music.
I play both."

Dave Alvin

Peter C July 26, 2011 - 3:45pm

Its pretty clear that the process of prioritizing who and how much on the pay/screw list is are subjects of aggressive debate within the Executive Branch agencies and Congress.

However, having heard this in at least 3 different interview/news items over recent weeks, the process of issuing Federal government payments is both hyper-complex and wholly automated - not surprising. The surprising part is that the distributed nature of the mechanisms of issuing payments is so complex and decentralized that achieving a successful "stop" order may not be entirely possible. Now, that maybe preemptive excuse-making/blamestorming, but its worth considering when the range of payees stretches from elderly and infirm retirees, disabled Americans some vets some not and, of course, major financial institutions and other bond holders due their monthly vig.

Will "computers" and the wholly nebulous idea of undefined "complexity" be the "fall guys" for cash-flow calamity?

wphurley July 26, 2011 - 11:28pm

One of the best summaries of the money=policy equation that I've seen in some time.

Bruce A Jacobs July 26, 2011 - 1:20am


Find out just what any people will quietly submit to and you have found out the exact measure of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them,and these will continue till they are resisted with either words or blows,or with both~FDouglas

Celsius 233 July 26, 2011 - 5:17am

History repeats, first is tragedy, followed by farce.

Paul Preston's "The Spanish Civil War, Reaction, Revolution & Revenge" ISBN 978-0-00-723207-9 first 100 pages presents the political conditions existing in Spain, the actors (politicians) on stage and their policies, both achieved and thwarted. Those 100 pages reflect perfectly the same process being fraudulently conducted by the president and congress of the US under the farce of law. Their preordained failure will reveal a voraciously hungry and dangerous beast, warned of as the military-industrial-(governmental)-complex. Spain too had such a beast, devouring the country in a reign of fear, the Franco dictatorship. Once that beast is freed from restraint, the U.S. too will know the flavour of fear and a dictatorship more effective than any the world has known to date. Opposition will be no more effective than the Spanish Republicans were, and a parcel of words will be deleted from the language as unions, social, commune, left, were suppressed in Spain. The history is there in those 100 pages, the reader will finish the book of their own volition.

Splendid narrative Numerian

Arnie July 26, 2011 - 6:08am

Hiyo, as a resident of the fine state of Minnesota, it was interesting, although quite troubling, to experience the government shutdown. At the end of it, the stupider Republican social policies were almost all cut off, the plan to screw over MPLS/St Paul/ Duluth was cut off, and we gave away incoming tobacco money to professional loan sharks. As a former Capitol scribbler myself, it was an exact average sort of deal.... And of course yes our credit rating got dinged.
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HongPong July 26, 2011 - 4:48pm

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