Putting Some "Serious Hurt" on the Big Banks


Joe Nocera, financial columnist for The New York Times, had an interesting conclusion to his recent article on Bank of America:

I admit it: I want to see the banks feel some pain. Most people do, I think. Banks did terrible things during the subprime bubble, and they still haven’t paid any real price. I find myself rooting for judges to rule against banks in foreclosure cases. I would love to see these big investors put the serious hurt on Bank of America, which will encourage other investors to pile on. I know this colors my thinking. I can’t help it.
Yet I also know the flip side. If the foreclosure lawyers start winning a lot of cases, if judges halt foreclosures on a widespread basis, if investors start to extract billions upon billions of dollars from the banks — and if banks become seriously weakened as a result — we’ll be right back where we were two years ago. The banks will need to be saved for the good of the economy. The taxpayers will have to come to the rescue. That’s an appalling prospect too.

Banks: We can’t live with them, and we can’t live without them. It stinks, doesn’t it?

This brief flourish of disgust for the banking industry received a lot of attention, almost all of it favorable. Millions of Americans want to see “serious hurt” put upon the banks, especially the big banks that are in the Too Big To Fail category. Why do we hate the banks so?

I suspect it is not the 8,000 community banks that are distrusted and loathed by the average American consumer. It’s the big banks, which are increasingly consolidated into the Big Four: Citigroup, Bank of America, JP Morgan Chase, and Wells Fargo. There are some wannabe big banks just below these four, like US Bancorp, PNC Financial Services, or SunTrust Bank, but even the biggest of these regional banks is but 1/6th the size of any of the Big Four. It’s the behemoths in the industry which have a nationwide presence and special coddling from the regulators and the federal government. These are the banks most of us deal with in some form or another, and the way they deal with us is very different from the approach taken by other banks. If you want to understand why Joe Nocera and so many others dislike these large banks, you have to understand what they think about you and what you mean to them.

The Science of Retail Banking

Even as recently as 20 years ago, retail banking was a very localized affair. You set up your account at your local bank, or the branch of a local bank, and your business stayed there until you moved somewhere else. If you were involved in the serious business of arranging a car loan or home mortgage for yourself, you had to talk to a senior banker, who asked a lot of questions that all ultimately focused on one critical question: How were you going to pay back this loan? The banker looked very carefully at your job, your income, your financial stability, and even your personal stability when the loan was for three years for a car purchase, or up to 30 years for a mortgage.
This old-fashioned way of doing things was very personal, and the banks usually called the department responsible for this line of business Personal Banking. You don’t hear this phrase used very much any more. Instead we are shepherded into Consumer Banking or Retail Banking departments, and this tells us pretty much everything you need to know about modern banking at the big banks. There is nothing personal about it.

As banks consolidated and industry giants rose to nationwide dominance, the winners in this competitive race found they could no longer manage individual banking on a personal basis. It was simply not cost effective to manage millions of customers one at a time. The banks could attempt to give you a personable greeting, but the way they managed your account was completely impersonal. Today at the very highest level of management, the head of the department is no longer a banker who grew up in this business, but a marketing or retail expert whom the bank hires from Pepsico or Procter & Gamble. These are men who know how to sell products, how to conduct marketing campaigns, how to film slick and convincing commercials, how to package material in attractive colors, even how to get all employees to wear the same color shirts and blouses (drop in at any Chase branch and you’ll see every employee wearing the same color blue).

The entire emphasis of the bank’s relationship with you is to get you to buy their products, and in the big banks employees are judged and rewarded on their success in “cross-selling” products. The Big Four want to get as much of your financial business as they can in their bank, because they know how difficult it is for an individual to close out accounts and transfer business elsewhere. This impersonal approach to the consumer now extends even to the most important aspect of the banking business – lending you money. Bankers no longer need to ask how you are going to repay that auto loan or mortgage; it’s all laid out for them in the numbers generated by computer models that produce such supposedly-predictive ratings as your FICO score.

Banking By the Numbers

To the banks, you are just an input into a computer algorithm. Your income, how many lines of credit you have, your repayment history, and even your area code are the sort of facts used to determine whether you qualify for a loan. The ubiquitous FICO score, originally intended to predict default risk for short term consumer loans, was extended to mortgage lending at the start of the housing boom, and this made it much easier for banks to hand down such an important decision to junior employees with no credit experience whatever. While the FICO score has been tarnished in this depression as a tool for predicting default risk on unsecured loans such as credit cards, it has been a disaster in predicting mortgage default risk, to the point where the banking industry’s use of such models for long term consumer lending can be viewed in retrospect as recklessly irresponsible.

Computer models find it impossible to predict whether a consumer will experience either of the two events that are most correlated to default risk: loss of a job, or a health catastrophe. While a human banker probably cannot predict these events either for a customer, a banker with a traditional personal relationship to the consumer ought to be able to judge whether the consumer justifies a loan extension or modification of terms in order to deal with the crisis. In modern banking, this is almost impossible to achieve because the hands of the banker – usually a junior level employee – are completely tied. The preferred way banks have of dealing with a customer at risk of default or late with their payments is to turn the account over to a collection agency.

This is one of the reasons banks have been so quick to foreclose on late mortgages, and why modifications to the loan terms are rarely granted, if the customer can even reach a banker to discuss the matter. The whole modus operandi of banks is to get you to buy their product – or at least it used to be before the credit crisis – and with existing mortgages the trick is to discuss with you only the lower monthly payments possible with a refinancing. The total amount of debt is never mentioned until the point when you sign the mortgage contracts. Everything is about marketing and retailing the product, which means that if ever you are at risk of default, you are no longer product-worthy and of any interest to the bank. That’s one big reason why the banks want such people off their books as quickly as possible, and why they do not allow for lowering of interest rates, short sales, or reduction of principal owed on mortgages. The Obama administration has learned this the hard way with its ill-fated HAMP program that has been a failure in getting banks to modify mortgage terms.

The TBTF banks earn billions of dollars each year on fees from product sales, of which loans are considered just one of many products such as checking and savings accounts or safe deposit boxes. The goal of these banks is to earn more from fees than they do from net interest income on loans, which has been their traditional source of income, because fee income is considered more reliable. Moreover, fee services don’t clutter up the balance sheet with assets which incur expensive capital charges, which is another big problem for loans (banks need to keep at least 8% capital for every loan they book). In order to convert loans into fee-generating products, it has been essential for banks to sell new loans to investors as quickly as possible so that they don’t eat up capital. This is the motivation behind the securitization process, where mortgages, auto loans, and credit card balances are packaged into bonds and sold to investors as fast as they come into the bank.

The interesting thing about securitization is that a 30 year mortgage might be on the books for no longer than 90 days on average, which means the bank only has to worry about default risk for three months, which is hardly any time at all. With securitization, banks have eliminated hundreds of trained loan officers who could make a reasonable human judgment whether a customer could repay the mortgage over three decades. Now just about anyone can make this decision, especially if a mathematical model is being used to assign a score that predicts short term default risk.

With these changes in place, banks removed themselves from the traditional business of assessing the consumer’s ability to repay loans, which means the debtor-creditor relationship was demolished and replaced with a buyer-retailer relationship. This is such a fundamental change in bank behavior that it begs some serious questions, such as whether the consumer can make an intelligent decision about the debt they take on, and whether banks deserve the special status they have always had as a privileged industry worthy of government support when they make mistakes.

The End of the Debtor-Creditor Relationship

In the current foreclosure crisis rolling through courts across the US, banks are arguing that whatever “technical” mistakes they may have made in perfecting their security interest in the homes in foreclosure, the borrowers are nevertheless in default. In less polite terms, these borrowers are “deadbeats” deserving of whatever pain comes their way.

What this leaves out is the heavily lopsided relationship that exists between a consumer seeking a loan and a bank acting as a retailer using misleading marketing techniques to drum up fee business. At the height of the housing boom, the airwaves and newspapers were filled with advertisements from banks, mortgage brokers and other financial intermediaries offering more and more attractive terms for mortgages. No income? No job? No assets? No problem! Need some quick spending money? Simply refinance your mortgage and take some “cash” out of your home while you are at it. The home equity line of credit became the easy-money tool for millions of Americans wanting a fancier kitchen, a new car, a vacation cruise – though often the money was used for real needs like medical emergencies rather than luxuries. One radio advertiser bragged about the client who refinanced five times, taking cash out of the home each time interest rates went lower. “The biggest no-brainer on earth”, the mortgage company would say, just to let you know how dumb you were to be sitting on all that equity in your home and not putting it to work for you.

And always in these advertisements, the emphasis was on the easy monthly payments that you could surely afford. There was no mention of the larger amounts of total debt you were taking on, or the balloon payments you incurred that increased your principal owed, or the guaranteed increase in interest rates two years hence. If you asked any questions about these risks, you were assured that two years from now you could always refinance because “of course” your home would increase in value by then. Behind the scenes, we have now learned that if you didn’t qualify even under the extremely liberal credit standards the banks were using, the banker would cheat a little by overstating your income or assets without you knowing.

The “deadbeat” accusation against defaulters says Americans should have known how much debt they were taking on and what the risks were for themselves if disaster should happen to them. The problem with this argument is that millions of Americans did know and did ask about these risks, but were given false assurances, or their concerns were brushed off by the banker. In some cases the banker outright fraudulently changed the consumer’s application when it came time to process the loan for approval. This was not a process where caveat emptor applied, because the buyer was from the start at a disadvantage to the bank. The buyer was induced and enticed to borrow because of sophisticated and often misleading advertising campaigns, and because critical facts regarding the loan were kept hidden from the buyer or made difficult to find. What was at stake for the banks were trillions of dollars in points and other fees that were extracted from the equity built up in the home, a fact also kept hidden from the borrower until the last moment.

Had there been a traditional and proper debtor-creditor relationship, had the bank had even a vague interest in how the borrower was going to repay the loan, and had the bank actually kept the loan on its books for the maturity involved, seductive and misleading advertising would not have existed. Instead, there would have been sober talk up front about the total amount of debt being assumed by the borrower, about the importance of meeting monthly payments, and about the risks of foreclosure. None of this happened because the bank had no relationship as a creditor to the borrower. In fact, no one did – least of all the investors who bought the mortgage in a security (and who it now turns out probably did not have a perfected security interest in the home because of bank malfeasance). The business of making loans, which provided an enormous social utility and was therefore heavily regulated, had been subverted into the business of earning fees for the banks, which had no social utility and was all about maximizing profits for the financial sector.

This breakdown in the debtor-creditor relationship has been entirely of the banks’ making and has been encouraged by powerful interests, including the Federal Reserve, the main regulator of the big banks.

Debt as an Instrument of Fed Policy

The Federal Reserve has always used debt as a tool to influence interest rates, by requiring banks to buy or sell debt instruments with the Fed. For most of the history of the Fed, this use of debt has been judicious, moving interest rates up or down in response to economic conditions, with the intention that banks in turn would expand or contract their lending activity given the change in the cost of money. It was also assumed that commercial and consumer borrowers would use debt cautiously, with great care regarding the consequences of default.

In this sequence of events – from the Fed to interest rates to banks and ultimately to borrowers – the Fed was relatively passive about how much debt was being taken on by the borrowers, as long as the economy overall responded as desired. In the 1990s, however, and especially in this last decade, the Fed has taken on a cheerleading role regarding the use of debt. Fed Chairman Alan Greenspan gave speeches lauding the new and innovative ways in which consumers could use debts – essentially endorsing the buyer-retailer relationship that banks had created with their customers. Greenspan went so far as to encourage consumers to take on floating rate mortgages, at a time when rates were exceptionally low and the risk of an increase in the cost of the mortgage was high.

Ben Bernanke, Greenspan’s successor, has continued this policy, and has acted with desperation to keep the debt machine going. The Fed has taken over the job of the private market as the sole buyer of mortgage-backed securities, and as seen in the foreclosure crisis, the Fed has abandoned its regulatory role as policeman of the banking industry, despite all the evidence of fraud in the origination and repackaging of mortgages as securities. The Fed arranged for Congress to approve a zero reserve policy, meaning banks no longer have to keep any reserves at the Fed, which short-circuits the traditional sequence of events in the monetary policy chain and allows the banks to make an unlimited number of loans as long as they can securitize them off their balance sheet.
The Fed has used every tool possible to revitalize the securitization market, even though it is obvious investors are wary of buying such paper from the banks again. The Fed has dropped interest rates close to zero to foster the creation of more debt, and now the Fed is contemplating a massive expansion of its Quantitative Easing program, wherein it buys up the debt of the Treasury Department, so interest rates on long term bonds can remain at record low levels, and so that the federal government can issue even more debt.

Debt, debt, debt – everywhere you turn authorities are urging American consumers and businesses to take on more debt, as if this were the only goal of both fiscal and monetary policy. Nowhere is there any mention of the need for prudence in managing debt, much less any recognition that at all levels of American society, there is already too much debt on the books. Nor is there any acknowledgment that the debtor-creditor relationship has disappeared, and that there is no one monitoring the debt that consumers take on.

It is true that the banks are imposing much harsher conditions on potential borrowers, but that is because the banks are scared of more bad debts, and because they might not have the capital to survive even the current level of bad debts on their books. This fear is not the same as reestablishing a proper debtor-creditor relationship, and there is no evidence the banks are willing to do this. To return to this traditional relationship, the banks would have to cease securitizing loans off their books, and manage the true risk of these loans by hiring thousands of loan officers to monitor these portfolios. The banks would have to scale back substantially their expectations on earning fees off their clients, and instead earn their income off interest rate spreads from their loan portfolio. The banks would also have to return to the early days of the home equity line of credit, when they allowed such loans only for the purpose of home improvements or a college education, not for frivolities like vacations or a new car.

The fact that the banks have abdicated their responsibility to serve as creditors to those to whom they lend money seems to have escaped the notice of the Federal Reserve. There are no learned studies being published on this topic, no speeches given at their annual central bank symposium at Jackson Hole, no criticisms of this irresponsibility when Fed regulators come to call on the banks. There was some talk a few years ago about the need to reform the securitization process so that someone monitors the credit risk of the millions of loans being put up for sale, but this died out, seemingly because of the impossibility of the task.

What makes any reform impossible to impose on banking is the fact that the TBTF banks would have to be dismantled and shrunk to local institutions again, the industry would have to drastically remodel itself by returning to its traditional role of credit watchdog and creditor to its borrowers, easy money products like credit cards and home equity lines would have to be severely limited in amount and purpose, and securitization would have to disappear. The implications of these reforms are equally momentous: no bank would be Too Big To Fail. No bank would be allowed to grow a national franchise, and no bank would have any claim on the federal government for help if it got into trouble. Systemic risk – the risk of one bank being so large it would pull down other banks if it got into trouble – would not exist to the extent it does today.

If the TBTF banks see this coming in Washington and have no lobbying way to prevent these changes, they might well argue: What about Canada? Canada only has five large banks, all with a nationwide presence, and all Too Big To Fail, yet the government there is not contemplating breaking them up. While it is true the Canadian regulators have been much more rigorous with their banks and did not allow the crazed lending that took place in the US during the 00’s, real estate bubbles have formed in major urban markets in Canada. These bubbles are only now peaking, partly because Canada has been a beneficiary of the commodity boom fueled by Bernanke’s desperate reflation policies, and this has masked any serious consequences of a real estate collapse.

In other words, Canada has not been tested yet to the degree financial markets have been tested in the US, UK, Ireland, Spain, Germany, Greece, and many other countries. This problem of the destruction of the debtor-credit relationship by the banks, and the abdication of their traditional role as prudent overseers of the credit risks assumed by their customers, is a global problem relating to modern banking practices in general. It is why systemic risk – previously unheard of outside of central bank circles – is now a very real problem around the world. In all major countries there are far, far fewer banks than existed 25 years ago, and those that remain are heavily interconnected and dependent on the health of major banks in other countries.

Banking as the Scourge of Capitalism

Since banks have given up their role as protectors of the financial markets from credit risk, and since credit risk in the past 10 to 15 years has exploded globally to the point where it now jeopardizes all economies, it is worth asking why banks deserve such a privileged position in relation to their governments. If banks are no longer performing their critical credit function, the taxpayer should be free to cut them loose from access to government loans and assistance, including special access to credit from their central bank. Of course, to do this the big global banks would have to be cut down to a manageable size, and be forced to get back into personal banking, away from credit model banking.

This, however, is at the moment a taboo or at least unmentioned topic. There are some brutally simple facts here: the TBTF banks in whichever country they exist refuse to even consider the fundamental reforms necessary to protect the world from the credit risks they create. The governments of the world, and especially the central banks, refuse to take on the necessary but difficult task of breaking up these banks, and returning to a model that existed a few decades ago and was known to work. In fact, the Federal Reserve is doing whatever it can – and some of this is against their charter – to revive the failed system of TBTF banks, securitization, and debt binges which will inevitably lead to another massive bubble, leaving the public on the hook for future bailouts. This is why Joe Nocera concludes that we can’t live with the banks, but we can’t live without them. No wonder millions of people hate the banks and distrust the regulators charged with controlling a global financial system that is clearly dysfunctional.

We might also ask whether free market capitalism can function or even survive with a banking system that cannot prudently control its risks; that sees its role not as a credit intermediary but as a fee-generating machine; that scours the land for opportunities to extract profits from the equity built up by its customers; that feels entitled to Midasian bonuses for its executives; that turns to the government and taxpayers for help in papering over its disastrous mistakes; that seductively markets debt like it were an addictive substance (which in a way it is) without alerting its customers to the dangers of the product; that sets up a mortgage securitization process which undermines two centuries of real estate law and practice; that fails to properly transfer title documents to the security pool, effectively rendering the investors uncollateralized; and that literally destroys the global economy through its predatory and avaricious practices.

This is actually a rhetorical question. Free market capitalism cannot survive a TBTF global banking system as currently constructed. There is much to lose in allowing this system to continue as it is, yet the governmental powers that be seem unwilling to recognize much less discuss this mortal danger to capitalism. It is a strange world indeed when the supposed stewards of our economy are willfully ignorant of the peril that exists in a financial system that is undermining the foundation of our prosperity.


Numerian October 26, 2010 - 9:15am

the first class passengers are going to keep on partying, even when the wings have come off the plane.

Tim October 26, 2010 - 9:48am

In this algebra of debt and its relationship to money, are the answers to the questions: Where did all the money go? Who has it? What is it doing?

Income disparity causes a crappy economy. A crappy economy causes income disparity. And both cause political instability. Wild swings between D and R and wild swings on the stock (former) market portend capital and political destruction. I often wonder if we're headed for bizarro politics, trade and currency wars, stock market/dollar/commodities implosions, more political instability, and possible international military conflict.

Jonathryn October 26, 2010 - 10:56am

These sort of end-game ructions in an industry as important as banking will lead to social disruption and market disorder. The question is, can we avoid violence when people find out how they have been used by the bankers?

Numerian October 26, 2010 - 11:21am

...but the tenor of your post comes across as if you see 'money' as a finite or scarce commodity... which it ain't.

'Credit' is probably what you were actually thinking about...since it covers the possibility/probablity of others making resources available to us that we need.

Where'd all the money go? actually, it's still there, if the Fed will print it up. It's the credit I'm concerned about, since without the goodwill to make resources available, other 'hard' commodities cannot be made, for people to buy with the money they have---no product, no demand, and therefore no money changing hands to make up an economy.

...and I always slept through economics class.......(shiver)

"If Stupidity got us into this mess, why can't it get us out?" -- Will Rogers

justadood October 26, 2010 - 11:22am

of when I take my daughter to the store. She walks by my side and holds my hand and we go to all the places we need to. She gets to go a few places and I do too. But...If I were to let go her hand and wander off, she would be utterly lost; no way to get back home again. I hold her hand and we go home without a problem.

Money holds the hand of commodities. Oil, copper, grain, gasoline, fertilizer, gold, silver, on and on and on. Who is leading who?

Oil grew 4% per year over the last 100 years, and surprise surprise so did the economy and so did the money supply. You can print all the paper you want but if there is nothing to invest in, you do not have growth.

Total global energy production has flat lined since 2005, that is going on six years now of no growth in energy. It's about then that the interest on debt started falling and falling and falling. About then oil went from $20 a barrel to $60 by 2006, up to $150 by 2008 and still at $80 today. It's about then that the housing foreclosures began to rise inexorably to the crisis that broke out in 2008, and about then that real wages began to flatline and decline. It's about then that auto sales began to fall and total miles driven flatlined and began to decline.

Notice a pattern?

Scotjen61 October 26, 2010 - 12:54pm

The question is, if oil scarcity is the cause and declining interest rates are the effect, is this the primary cause? Where does globalization come into this picture? Surely part of the reason why we had a housing bubble was in response to declining living standards in the developing countries as jobs were shipped off en masse to Asia. Greenspan admitted as much.

Yet Peak Oil must have some significant influence here. Isn't it also noteworthy that a} the principal focus of the Bush administration was procuring Iraqi oil rights, and b} the Fed under Greenspan as a matter of policy refused to deal with asset inflation in commodities, equities, etc. - including oil. It does seem that the 00's were a time of obsession by US leadership on finding oil, avoiding any direct attack on asset inflation, and opening up the fiscal and monetary spigots full blast to compensate for oil scarcity, among other things.

It all blew up on them, maybe because the asset manias could not be controlled.

Numerian October 26, 2010 - 1:16pm

AND remember the sky high oil prices filling the coffers of foreign countries, who then plowed that money back into syndication's to reallocate as mortgage paper.

It was the foreign buyers of our mortgage paper flush with oil money that was also a cause of this bubble.

And the source of that problem as has been the source of much global malaise was an absence of suitable places to invest such a pile of cash. In the absence of any suitable investment most foreign countries tend to gravitate to the United States which can still provide the largest pool of investment opportunity.

the bubble started with oil and ended up in mortgage paper, and fed the housing boom beast.

Scotjen61 October 26, 2010 - 3:52pm

why is there an absence of suitable places to invest ?

dk October 27, 2010 - 5:44am

The Fed can print up all it wants. Unless it gets to regular folks it isn't doing anything productive. The financial, legal, and labor conditions are all tilted in favor of people who already have money. If the Fed prints up more money, it'll only go to them, and the economy will continue going downhill.

Here's where some of the money went.

Jonathryn October 27, 2010 - 9:37am

Is one solution. If the taxpayers have to carry the risk, then the taxpayers should get the rewards.

However, the banks are skilled at buying our political leaders.

The retailer/consumer model has permeated to the lowest level in the Banking system, even the small credit unions. If the TBTF banks are broken up, there are no guarantees the old model will return.

The process of loan securitzation would have to be prohibited, and I doubt that will be the case.

Synoia October 26, 2010 - 11:39am

...that scours the land for opportunities to extract profits from the equity built up by its customers...

Your whole second last paragraph, Numerian, but in particular this phrase, is really begging for a reference to vampire squids, with thier faces wrapped around humanity, relentless stuffing their blood funnels into anything that smells like money.

rumor October 26, 2010 - 12:27pm

You're going to have me talking pirate talk. I guess this all started with Matt Taibi, who invented the mythical creature of the Vampire Squid.

Numerian October 26, 2010 - 1:18pm

...the mythical creature of the Vampire Squid.

I can't tell if yer kiddin' there, cap'n!

rumor October 26, 2010 - 1:42pm
dot_txt October 26, 2010 - 1:42pm

Not quite a squid, and not quite an octopus, but definitely all vampire. I found it interesting that it can survive at great depths with only 3% oxygen saturation in its body, something few other animals can achieve. It can't be kept in captivity for long because we can't really duplicate its deep-sea environment in an aquarium.

Numerian October 27, 2010 - 8:35am

... 30 year mortgage. Most mortgages have terms of 3 to 7 years. This makes credit risk much more manageable for the banks. House prices here in Toronto remain high yet the economic environment is very different. The unemployment rate is much lower and Canada continues with an active immigration policy (both of my neighbors to the right and left are immigrants - as I am - both of them are from the dominating immigration demographics i.e. Chinese).

I think your premise that only local banks are good banks is faulty. As long as there is a good regulatory framework I don't think national banks pose a problem. I.e. as far as I know Canadian banks are required to keep their mortgage loans on the books.

I guess we will see if your prediction pans out that Canada has yet to experience the kind of financial break down that you predict. I am comfortable taking the counter bet. (That is as long as Harper doesn't get a majority that'll allow him to dismantle financial oversight).

quax October 26, 2010 - 2:38pm

... shenanigans in the Canadian mortgage process are poorly reported upon. I think the Canadian press is deliberately uncritical in this regard, generally speaking.

The last figures I saw, from early summer 2010, showed that the mortgage holdings for the Big 5 Banks hadn't changed a jot since 2007, yet up until mid-2010 mortgages were being completed at their fastest pace ever. This is possible because the vast majority of mortgages involved little to no money down and were all covered by CMHC insurance. CMHC then purchases the mortgages from the banks and rolls them into mortgage-backed securities.

Does this sound familiar?

It's also a common fallacy that this current government, which introduced 0% down payment, 40-year mortgages rolled the limit back to 5%-down, 35 year mortgages. It's been well documented that some of the Big 5 Banks provide other means, such as credit lines or cash rebate deals, to cover the minimum 5% down.

You mention that mortgages are usually have 5-7 year periods in Canada, but that is merely for the rate guarantee, which, if you think about it, is actually worse because rates must at some point go up from here. The amortization period can still go up to 35 years and the data shows that almost all mortgages for home purchases (or specifically for first home purchases; my memory is fuzzy on this point) - which is to say, excluding refinancing on already-owned homes - made in the last 4 years are carrying the maximum amortization period.

I'm not saying the situation is exactly the same as in the US five years ago, but there are enough important similarities. The overarching metric is that personal debt and debt serviving loads are at their highest levels in Canadian history, and that price-to-income and price-to-rent ratios are also similarly extremely high. Whatever the process issues that may exist in the actual issuance of mortgages, the underlying issue is debt. Too much debt.

rumor October 26, 2010 - 4:41pm

I have no direct experience of war or massive social breakdowns. I only know of war from what I have read or seen in movies.

Reading about wars in some textbook decades after they had ended always gave me the sense they could have been avoided. It is so easy to see where mistakes were made in hindsight.

Now it looks like I might see unimaginable destruction of this place in my lifetime, and it's really a much different experience when one is in the middle of it.

I wonder how many conversations like this thread have been held over the centuries by people who could see what was about to happen but were powerless to keep their communities from stampeding themselves into extinction?

someofparts October 26, 2010 - 2:42pm

"The “deadbeat” accusation against defaulters says Americans should have known how much debt they were taking on and what the risks were for themselves if disaster should happen to them. The problem with this argument is that millions of Americans did know and did ask about these risks, but were given false assurances, or their concerns were brushed off by the banker. In some cases the banker outright fraudulently changed the consumer’s application when it came time to process the loan for approval. This was not a process where caveat emptor applied, because the buyer was from the start at a disadvantage to the bank. "

This is so true and needs to be absorbed by the public in the midst of the general disgust at the banks. You succinctly capture the essence of the fraud that permeated the real estate bubble.

The banks knew or should have known that their lies would end in disaster. They need to be put out of business and replaced for a period by a Federal bank or a system of state banks. They are TBTL - to big to live.

Michael Collins October 27, 2010 - 1:36am

Which is to say yesterday afternoon, I came across a description of a mortgage broker who would arrange all the signing documents for a closing in a fan, and require the new homeowner or refinancer to just sign away. Hidden in the stack were documents that made the note a floating rate contract with a reset two years later. The note that the customer saw, and thought they were getting, was for a fixed rate and was thrown away once the customer left the building.

We will never know the amount of outright deceit and fraud that riddled the market during the bubble, just like we won't find out all of the foreclosures of the past two years which lacked sufficient standing for the bank to properly sell the house. I would like to see the Justice Department hire 1,000 lawyers to investigate and prosecute these crimes, as was done during the S&L scandal. How odd it is that Obama isn't demanding this, and no one in Congress or the media is pressuring him to do so.

Numerian October 27, 2010 - 5:48am

sorry, more questions.
who incentized the scam mortgage broker? who didn't check the veracity of his documents?

these guys were filling requests to fill CDO's that the IB could then bet against. and you wonder why the admin doesn't go after the real culprit?

dk October 27, 2010 - 7:21am

If the broker or banker switches documents, no one is the wiser. Anyone else who worked on the original documents would not know that what was put in the file was different in substantial ways from what they thought was being signed. Once the loan was booked, it was up to head office people to securitize it, but they wouldn't know that the customer negotiated a different deal, just as they wouldn't know that the income amount typed into the system was made up by the broker.

The customer of course would find out two years later when the monthly payment jumps up $500, but the broker merely hands over a copy of the filed documents and says "See, you signed this." It would take a very astute person, almost a lawyer, to read the details that were sent to them in the mail and understand the language had been changed. Even then, the bank would say if caught that it was an honest mistake.

Back in 2004 there was a alert sent out to all FBI offices on mortgage fraud as a growing problem. The FBI identified the problem as often involving the broker or banker, the real estate agent, the lawyer, and the appraiser, and said with so many people arrayed against the homeowner, they had no chance to avoid being scammed. This type of collective scam seemed to be prevalent in California and Nevada and Florida, but it was also seen in inner cities in Cleveland, Detroit, etc. The mortgages or HELOCs involved were the first to enter default around 2007. There is only one known instance of a prosecution for these crimes by the federal government, involving a slew of professionals in California.

Numerian October 27, 2010 - 8:24am

where's the documentation showing that the borrower could afford the new payment?

please stay with me here. the Socratic method has it's uses for those of us not gifted in writing

dk October 27, 2010 - 8:35am

That's the problem with the process and lack of credit standards after 2004 when Wall Street took over securitization from the GSEs. Nobody cared whether the customer could afford the reset rate, because it was obvious to everybody that the home could be refinanced since it would have appreciated by 10% or more.

Back in 2004 when I first started publishing posts that suggested a 40% or larger national decline in housing values once the bubble burst, it was hard to imagine how isolated this opinion was. Even here at the Agonist there were a lot of skeptics. The entire financial industry denied there was a bubble, since there was no record for 70 years of housing prices ever going down on a national scale.

By the same token, since everyone just knew for sure that prices would continue up forevermore, the real estate market and financial system had morphed into a machine geared to stripping 6% off the home value whenever it resold, and 2% off the mortgage whenever it was refinanced. There are a lot of writers now claiming this was fraudulent because it was an intentional scam. I'm not so sure of that point, because it was never questioned by top management or the risk managers in banks that employees were submitting loans that only worked if they could be refinanced at the rate reset date. This was a universal business assumption in the industry, not necessarily a well-planned scam. There were plenty of other types of scams going on in the business, but processing a floating rate loan with no thought to whether the customer could afford the higher rate at reset wasn't one of them.

Numerian October 27, 2010 - 8:45am

is the answer to every question.

I saw a great comment somewhere in a discussion about the impossibilities of unwinding the derivative market.

we don't need no water, let the motherfucker burn

dk October 27, 2010 - 10:55am

Which came first, bad lending practices or CDO's that accepted bad loans?

Which has the larger impact?

What is the size of the mortgage market and what is the size of the derivative market that it is based on?

None of this happened because the bank had no relationship as a creditor to the borrower. In fact, no one did – least of all the investors who bought the mortgage in a security (and who it now turns out probably did not have a perfected security interest in the home because of bank malfeasance

Did Countrywide, Wachovia, or WaMu securitize their own loans?

What percentage of subprime loans on the books of Fannie and Freddie prior to 2007 went into foreclosure? what percentage of the subprime MBS's that Fannie and Freddie have purchased since 2008 have gone defaulted?

In June of 2007, Fannie Mae had less than 100 billion in subprime and Alt-A mortgages on their books, the majority of it being guarantees to private label MBS, why is it they and Freddie Mac have needed 1.45 Trillion in purchases from the Fed?

Why do the private label securities in Fannie Mae's portfolio have default rates 50-100% higher than those individual loans which Fannie Mae purchased ?

What happened to the "credit enhancements" that insured Fannie Mae's private label subprime MBS purchases?

I give sources

moving on:
What year did mortgage securitization begin?

What caused the IB's to gain market share from the GSE's in the mortgage securitization market?

Which IB's wrote the greatest number of CDO's? of CDS, CDS squared, and CDS cubed?

What year was the ABX created? Who created it?

what is the current size of the derivative market and how much is now trading the exchanges at ICE and CME?

I'm going to stop there. Hopefully you'll answer my questions. better still would be answers from scotjen. and let me know if you've found an answer to the Triffin dilemma.

dk October 27, 2010 - 7:17am

Establishing precise dates or even the month something new came out is not always easy.

The fulcrum from housing bubble to housing insanity took place in 2004 when Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were shut down by their regulator for improper accounting of derivatives on their books. The derivatives involved were not complex CDOs, but interest rate swaps and plain vanilla swaps and options necessary to hedge convexity, which is in part the risk that homeowners will prepay their mortgages.

Once the two Government players were shut down, the market lost a huge amount of liquidity and could have come to a halt without someone to buy Wall Street's securities. The main packagers of these bonds were Goldman Sachs, Merrill Lynch, Lehman Brothers, Morgan Stanley, Bear Stearns, and some of the big commercial banks like JP Morgan, Citigroup, BOA, Hong Kong and Shanghai, etc. The source of the mortgages were some of these banks, but also a lot of mortgage brokers long since forced out of business in the crash in 2007, and regional banks like Wachovia, Countrywide, and Washington Mutual. These banks did not issue securities but were instead paid handsomely by Wall Street for sourcing the mortgages for their security machine.

What Wall Street decided at this point was to issue the securities and sell them to investors like pension plans, mutual funds, and so on. These are called private label mortgage backed securities, and since Wall Street was no longer constrained by marketing securities that conformed to the relatively strict standards of Fannie and Freddie, credit standards collapsed. Liar loans became acceptable for securitization, loans with no downpayment, loans where the customer could pick a payment and decide not to pay at all, loans where the principal increased rather than amortized, and so on. It is these private label loans from 2004 to 2007, especially to subprime borrowers who were now 40% of the market, that have resulted in enormous losses.

In 2007 when Fannie and Freddie were allowed back into the market, they decided to lower their credit standards in order to compete, and bought up billions of these securities that have blown up in their face. This is why they have needed a bailout from the government.

The mortgage securities market remains around $8 trillion in total value, though some estimates put it lower at around $6 trillion. No one knows exactly how much has been written off. Before 2004, there was a growing business in collateralized debt options and debt swaps using mortgages as the debt, or using mortgage securities as the debt. This business exploded after 2004, and became more bizarre as Wall Street found buyers all over the world willing to buy anything that offered a higher margin than the central banks were offering with their low rate policies. Also, these were always rated Aaa like the mortgage securities underneath them, so no risk but a somewhat higher yield fooled a lot of people. These have blown up even more spectacularly, but we don't know how badly things would have gotten because the Fed bought so many of these from the banks at near par value. Goldman Sachs was the clear leader in the CDO/CDS business, and the only player to offer ways to short the mortgage market for astute wealthy investors. The ABX index used to price these things had been around for most of the 00's but came into its own after 2004 when Wall Street got aggressive in marketing these derivatives.

I don't think much is trading on derivatives exchanges, which are just now beginning to manage plain vanilla interest rate swaps. The CDO/CDS market has died, as has private label securities. Nothing really is being done in the mortgage market in the US unless Fannie and Freddie and the FHA buy the securities, so everything now must conform to stricter standards. Market volume is back to mid 1990's levels, and market prices are back to 2000 - 2001 levels.

Numerian October 27, 2010 - 9:13am

Which came first, bad lending practices or CDO's that accepted bad loans?
bad CDO's.

Wall Street was no longer constrained by marketing securities that conformed to the relatively strict standards of Fannie and Freddie, credit standards collapsed. Liar loans became acceptable for securitization, loans with no downpayment, loans where the customer could pick a payment and decide not to pay at all, loans where the principal increased rather than amortized, and so on. It is these private label loans from 2004 to 2007, especially to subprime borrowers who were now 40% of the market, that have resulted in enormous losses.

Which has the larger impact? What is the size of the mortgage market and what is the size of the derivative market that it is based on?

the derivative market. there's 800T in the world's derivative market, and no one can seem to figure out what percentage of that evaporates when one mortgage out of what is now hypothesized to be a 6T market, is the straw that breaks a CDO's default limit

Before 2004, there was a growing business in collateralized debt options and debt swaps using mortgages as the debt, or using mortgage securities as the debt. This business exploded after 2004, and became more bizarre as Wall Street found buyers all over the world willing to buy anything that offered a higher margin than the central banks were offering with their low rate policies

do you think the Fed purchased enough yet?

Did Countrywide, Wachovia, or WaMu securitize their own loans?
no,you answered it. how large were the securitization depts of BOA and WF?

What percentage of subprime loans on the books of Fannie and Freddie prior to 2007 went into foreclosure? what percentage of the subprime MBS's that Fannie and Freddie have purchased since 2008 have gone defaulted?
page 14 of Fannie Mae's 2010 Second Quarter Credit Supplement shows that their 2005 AltA foreclosure rate is os 6%, their private label security purchases are running closer to 9%. 2006 FNM foreclosures 9%, PLS 15%. 2007 FNMA <9%, PLS >12%.
On pg 9 you'll find FNMA cumulative default rates skyrocketing on originations made after 2006. Strangely the same fucking year that the ABX was createdlet me repeat that
STRANGELY THE SAME FUCKING YEAR THAT THE ABX WAS CREATED

In June of 2007, Fannie Mae had less than 100 billion in subprime and Alt-A mortgages on their books, the majority of it being guarantees to private label MBS, why is it they and Freddie Mac have needed 1.45 Trillion in purchases from the Fed?
because they stuffed them full of private label crap after assuming conservatorship in Aug of 2008

Why do the private label securities in Fannie Mae's portfolio have default rates 50-100% higher than those individual loans which Fannie Mae purchased ?
see above

What happened to the "credit enhancements" that insured Fannie Mae's private label subprime MBS purchases?
too vanilla to keep up

The derivatives involved were not complex CDOs, but interest rate swaps and plain vanilla swaps and options necessary to hedge convexity, which is in part the risk that homeowners will prepay their mortgages.

moving on:
What year did mortgage securitization begin?
1970, though Fannie Mae had been established in 1938 it apparently did not package loans for resale. which I find hard to believe, but I can't find information to the contrary

What caused the IB's to gain market share from the GSE's in the mortgage securitization market?

The fulcrum from housing bubble to housing insanity took place in 2004 when Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were shut down by their regulator for improper accounting of derivatives on their books.

someone needs to look into who initiated the charges of improper accounting. despite, the improprieties, the mortgages that they backed didn't seem to go bad quite so often. less than 1.5% of the time compared to the almost %5 for those 2006 vintages (of private label crap)

Which IB's wrote the greatest number of CDO's? of CDS, CDS squared, and CDS cubed?

Goldman Sachs was the clear leader in the CDO/CDS business

thank you. but take a look at JPM's share of that market as it currently stands. and don't forget who brought Obama to the dance.

What year was the ABX created? Who created it?
2006, the wonder boys from GS. anybody remember the story about it's creation? I can't find it, but I remember it

what is the current size of the derivative market and how much is now trading the exchanges at ICE and CME?
of that 350T interest rate swap derivative market, CME traded 600M in its first week, while the ICE lists no recorded crdeit default swap transactions, though their Oct 4th press release touts 12T notional as having cleared.

PLEASE DON'T RESPOND TO THIS POST, I MAY WANT TO CHANGE HOW I FORMATTED IT. tx, I'm afraid I'll lose the whole thing if I don't post it now
edit: oh screw that. fire away. I just realized it took me an hour and a half to type all this. I'll stick to questions and let you answer them. :)

dk October 27, 2010 - 10:42am

your work is a godsend to me in trying to understand wtf happened to the economy i grew up in. thanks

Nat Wilson Turner October 27, 2010 - 10:01am

At least I think so. Sometimes I have to take a shower after writing about the financial industry.

Numerian October 27, 2010 - 10:15am

But please keep up your exemplary work as long as you have a taste for it. It's very much appreciated.

Edit: Not that I took your comment to mean you were thinking about stopping, just, uh, thanks! A lot!

rumor October 27, 2010 - 10:20am

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