Housemaids Being Swept Up in the Chinese Bubble


You say you want evidence that the Chinese real estate market is in a bubble?

Check out these facts from economist Andy Xie:

1) Housing prices are up 50% in the past year in some parts of the country.

2) Housemaids are asking for time off so they can return to their village to buy an
apartment before it is too late.

3) Sales girl urges: Buy two! In a few years time prices will rise so much it will be
like getting the other apartment for free.

4) Banks offer unlimited credit for real estate purchases because the central bank is
flooding the market with stimulus money.

5) Local governments are addicted to the revenues from the property sales tax and will
do whatever it takes to keep the bubble going.

6) One local official caught owning 24 apartments. Wonder where he got the money?

7) Real estate mania has now spread beyond the cities to dusty rural towns.

8) Government works to free up as much land as possible for development.

9) In some markets land is so valuable it is worth more than the improvements.

10) Foreign money is flooding into China to participate in the bubble and the yuan
appreciation against the dollar that everybody says is sure to come.

Does any of this sound familiar? You want to imagine how much fraud is underway in the
Chinese real estate market? And just think, going by China's size and the property appreciation already experienced, this bubble is going to be much bigger than what we created in the US.

See Andy Xie article here:
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=am_pX0pJa_d8


Numerian April 26, 2010 - 5:11pm

What's that sound?

Psssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss.....

Synoia April 26, 2010 - 5:38pm

"Jim Chanos has made a fortune betting against investments he believes are ripe for a fall. Among his most illustrious short trades was pegging high-flying Enron as a disaster in waiting. Today the hedge fund manager is taking aim at China. "Without a modicum of doubt we have a credit-driven property bubble right now," Chanos recently declared in a talk he gave at the London School of Economics. That was a toned-down version of his quip to the New York Times that China is "Dubai times 1,000 -- or worse," a comment the manager of the $6 billion Kynikos fund now half-heartedly describes as tongue-in-cheek." CBS News March 19

Could this be one reason why there's a reluctance to let their currency appreciate? Mortgage holders would have the same amount due but less earning power and disposable income in an appreciated currency scenario.

Michael Collins April 26, 2010 - 8:43pm

What happens if China's 'bubble' pops?
By Katie Benner, writer
February 5, 2010: 2:24 PM ET

NEW YORK (Fortune) -- World-renowned short seller Jim Chanos -- the hedge fund manager who called the fall of Enron and the systemic problems cause by subprime mortgages --recently turned his gimlet eye on China. He saw a country whose rapid rise was hiding massive flaws: grossly inflated real estate prices, irresponsible construction lending, massive overbuilding, a banking system larded with bad loans, and unreliable government data. Fitch Ratings weighed in this week saying that China's banks face the greatest "bubble risk" of any Asian country.

If Chanos and his fellow Cassandras are right and there's a bubble waiting to burst, investors might be surprised: The results won't be anything like the ones we've seen in the U.S. and Europe. In fact, a China "pop" would be much quieter than in the West -- but possibly still have huge, surprising reverberations for the U.S. Here's why:

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Tina April 26, 2010 - 9:19pm

good points about how a single party system can respond differently than the US government can

yogi-one April 27, 2010 - 7:01am

was a sceptic in 2003 when we started doing the eco thread. At this point, with the central banks in apparently complete control of economies, I have no idea how to take his remarks or yours.

We had this discussion 7 years ago. We are still kiting checks, bonds, etc., on the world government's string. If you can give me a model that will forecast when the Western World and China run aground, let me have it.

http://mauberly.blogspot.com/

mauberly April 26, 2010 - 10:36pm

Going back as early as Charles Mackay's studies in 1841, it has been understood that real estate bubbles proceed through stages, in which the final stage represents what is now referred to as the "new paradigm" era. Everything is supposed to be different. Economic laws have been lifted and prices are allowed to rise in parabolic fashion. We can certainly see prices rising in this fashion in China, with the average citizen now being pulled into the maelstrom, confident that government or some other powerful force will keep the momentum going.

As you know, these models do not predict when the bubble will begin to collapse. Andy Xie professes that he will let you know when it has started, but he doesn't know now. Especially when the forces in support of the bubble are so powerful.

But while it is vexing not to know when, we do know if it is the major governments of the world backing a public sector debt bubble, which is now already deflating, or whether it is China's Communist Party deeply enmeshed in real estate speculation, the end result will be the ugliest imaginable.

Clearly China is in the end stages of a speculative mania over real estate, with rows and rows of unoccupied apartment buildings dotting every city, shopping malls empty waiting for buyers who do not exist, one entire city in Mongolia that is still waiting for its first resident, and now cooks and maids using all their cash to buy in to the "sure thing". The rest of us need to get to high ground before this tsunami hits.

Numerian April 27, 2010 - 6:27am

What makes you say, other than Greece, that the public sector debt bubble is deflating. It still seems to be going strong to me.

hvd April 27, 2010 - 7:50am

In the U.S. Obama's hands are already constrained by the deficit nags. Long bond rates have shot up to nearly 5%, well above the lows seen two years ago when there was a global flight to quality. In this respect, while the U.S. can continue to issue large amounts of debt, it cannot do so at geometric rates of increase. On this basis, we've passed through the "deficits don't matter" fantasy phase of debt expansion, and can consider the bubble that Bush created and Obama abetted has begun to deflate.

We seem to be on the cusp of beginning to reverse course and start reducing the deficit. That is, if the Obama commission has its way and the administration feels it has leeway to enact some of its provisions. At that point I think we could truly say the debt bubble is deflating, but I have to admit we aren't there yet. There is a slow leak in the bubble but not an onrush of air outwards.

The UK appears to be in the same situation as is Australia. China in a sense is already there because it doesn't really issue debt, it racks up trade surpluses. It can deplete its reserves but it has no standing in the bond markets to start issuing large amounts of debt. So globally, we seem to have passed the point where any major government can expand its debt levels significantly.

Numerian April 27, 2010 - 8:53am

And where might that be? Any general clues?

JT April 27, 2010 - 9:44am

Of course it's in a bubble.

Ian Welsh April 27, 2010 - 3:14am

warn that they would not back the loans that the banks were making in an effort to slow the real estate growth a couple months ago?

Tina April 27, 2010 - 10:45am

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