...better than Iraq. Better "thought out", I don't think one could make such a hot case - but the scale of what we're seeing is a lot less than Iraq.

Bremmer was apparently otherwise engaged, thank god.

"In combat one should be very suspicious of painless moral choices. When you are confronted with a seemingly painless moral choice, the odds are that you haven't looked deeply enough." ~ Karl Marlantes

But then again, there was a period of relative calm before the storm in Iraq too - and even then the warning signs were there. I don't think we're done seeing the mess a disfunctional and fractured government and a slew of competing militias can make in Libya, not by a long chalk.

...through the equivalent period. About this far in in Iraq they were dropping the Canal Hotel on the UN and starting to make it impossible for the NGOs to work without surrounding themselves in security. In Libya I don't see the same significant amount of effort placed into stay behind forces, the western powers aren't present as reachable targets and the transnationals don't appear to be nearly as active. It certainly isn't good, but does have the quality of being Libyan and that's a key difference.

"In combat one should be very suspicious of painless moral choices. When you are confronted with a seemingly painless moral choice, the odds are that you haven't looked deeply enough." ~ Karl Marlantes

Bremmer retired to Vermont and occupies his time painting landscapes and occasionally commenting on the world situation.

As you know, I bring up the hundreds of thousands of dead Iraqi civilians, who would have been alive were it not for the Bush invasion. I've struggled to find a cause. Saying it was due to civil strife let loose by the invasion describes rather than explains. But your comment triggered an explanation - the civil strife accounting for most of those civilian deaths occurred in a power vacuum. What led to that vacuum? When Bremmer dismantled the Iraqi Army, the vacuum was created, the stage set for the carnage. It's Bremmer's fault. Let's send him to the Hague;)

I just started "Secret Affairs" by Mark Curtis http://markcurtis.info/

Explains quite a bit, imho.

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The Guardian hides behind occasional liberalism and the fact that John Pilger writes there occasionally. But they're just flacks for the Empire Project.

Considering the fact that the credence for the Libyan revolution came from a bunch of suspect tweets, the tape I posted is just as valid a source, and I'm starting with questions.

I will continue my search for a decent English language news source (across the board, not just occasionally). I'm open to suggestions.

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