One More Reason to Kill this Bill - 40 Million "Health" Criminals


At least two provisions in the House health reform bill are very troubling, the de facto repeal of Roe v. Wade and this. In a powerful post on the Welcome Back to Pottersville, poster Jurassicpork laid it out. This is as clear and logical a statement as I've seen on the utter contempt that Congress has for the people. We're creating a new criminal class, people who can't afford health insurance. The solution - fines and prison. All thanks to the Money Party which has reached depths previously unimaginable. Well worth a read. Michael Collins

Congress Pulls the Trigger

From: Welcome Back to Pottersville blog. Posted by jurassicpork

In the dead of Saturday night, the House passed their version of a health reform bill that, frankly, makes Max Baucus’ first health care proposal look like a bleeding heart liberal/socialist piece of legislation by conspicuous relief. One of the most alarming aspects of HR 3962, that passed 220-215 (219 Democrats and one Republican voted for it) are the purely evil sections 7203 and 7201. The less evil of these sections, 7203, calls for $25,000 in fines and up to a year imprisonment for “defying” the federal mandate for getting insurance. That's the misdemeanor. The felony? A quarter of a million dollars in fines and up to five years in prison.

And those of you who are actually found guilty of the crime of not buying over $100 of health insurance every week will lose their jobs and earning potential. For up to five years, we will not be contributing to anything other than a prison economy. We will not be paying taxes. We will not be paying child support if we already are. And when we get thrown into the prison system, who gets to foot the bill for the health care that we'd defiantly refused to get?
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Michael Collins November 9, 2009 - 6:44pm
( categories: Opinion | USA: Congress: House )

As currently written, the individual mandates in HR 3962 will apply to American citizens living abroad. If I return to the US for more than 35 days in a 12 month period, then I would have to obtain coverage. Under H.R. 3962, I would be required to have "acceptable coverage" in the United States for insurance I will neither want or be able to use while living abroad. Or, I will be required to pay a tax of 2.5% of my income as a penalty should I choose not to buy "acceptable coverage". Screw them.

liquid November 9, 2009 - 7:51pm

That's not a provision in HR 3962 -- and I checked, as I had the same concern. Section 7203 is from the US Tax Code, and applies to non-filing of your tax returns.

So please please please check this kind of reporting before parroting it.

Aneurin November 9, 2009 - 8:05pm

Obama on Penalties - in general

"Under the House bill those who can afford to buy insurance and don’t’ pay a fine. If the refuse to pay that fine there’s a threat – as with a lot of tax fines – of jail time. The Senate removed that provision in the Senate Finance Committee.

"Mr. Obama said penalties have to be high enough for people to not game the system, but it’s also important to not be “so punitive” that people who are having a hard time find themselves suddenly worse off, thus why hardship exemptions have been built in the legislation.

"The President said that he didn’t think the question over the appropriateness of possible jail time is the “biggest question” the House and Senate are facing right now."

ABC News Nov. 9

Letter documenting tie in with IRS Code for penalties for those who don't pay tax.

Letter from Joint Committee on Taxation describing IRS code Sec. 7201 & 7203

H.R. 3962. Title V - Amendments to the Internal Revenue Code of 1986.

One of the connections of the HR. 3962 to the IRS, which means IRS enforcement.

Specifics form letter in IRS code for those who refuse to pay the tax.

IRS Code 7201 Attempt to evade or defeat a tax

IRS Code 7203 Wilful failure to file return, supply informaiton, or pay tax

These are just some of the penalties regarding non compliance. There are more in the JCT document.

It's all there.


Michael Collins November 10, 2009 - 12:11am

Section 7201 is again, a section of the Internal Revenue Code and is not part of HR 3962.

Aneurin November 9, 2009 - 8:08pm

I'll take a look at the relevant passages

Bolo November 9, 2009 - 8:32pm

Disclaimer: I'm not a lawyer.

The Max Tax is though possibly unconstitutional, a quaint notion that there are limits on your soverign's power, probably becuase it could be considered an "illegal taking". Taking private property, your money, and giving it to another private party, The Health Insurance Industry, who have the normal insurance business model based on peremiumas are good, claims are bad.

However, in Kelo vs New London, the supremes ruled the City of New London could take proviate property and give it to another private property if a public good was realized, in Kelo the expectation of sales taxes from the conversion of the property from homes to a shopping centers.

It could also be considered unconstitution based on the limits placed on the Federal Government, by reserving many rights to the states. There some exceptions, the major ones being defence & the commerce clause.

So far we have at least three plausible mechanisms to enable the Max Tax legislation, Public Good, Defence and Commerce. The Interstate highways were build, and not maintained--potholes are sooo boring, under the defence argument. Control of much of the economy, for example banking, was taken by the feds under the commerce clause, to the benefit of the wankers bankers who now had only one set of people to bribe contribute to in Washington. Taking private property and giving it to other private institutions for the "public good," which, with Kelo, elevated property development to a whole new level of pillage.

So I ask, Agonistas, of whom some may be lawyers, although I believe few, as the blogging lawyers tend to hover over other levels of hell blogs. What is your opinion?

Synoia November 10, 2009 - 10:33am

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