I can't seem to find shit these days. If you can provide a link, that would be great.

'He who controls the Spice controls the Universe' -Frank Herbert in Dune

http://zuma.theprawn.com/planetplantplan.png

For me, the "index of suspicion" set up is not so much that the Gubmint is making money off of drugs. Instead, it is around the degree. Does it amount to skimming a few hundred million or are we talking hundreds of billions. How dependent on the money are we? Does The System need it? I mean genuine need to keep the whole thing going.

Does money from drugs go into government run hedge funds to manipulate the markets? Is somebody pushing a "buy button?" Will they decide that our national security is at stake? Or has this already been decided? Since 9/11 changed everything, can we "afford" to let the market set the price of stock indices without "guidance?" Therein lies the crux of my index of suspicion.

Hold on. The antennae on my tinfoil hat are vibrating. I'm getting another message. Gotta go.

Dom culture = dominant culture? What is "NWO"?

I don't know the degree. I am quite sure it is more than your proffered least, but whether approaching your outer roughguesstimate, I have no reference for even guessing. I would believe we are somewhat dependent but not captively, inescapably so. That would be relinquishing aspects of control, of domination. Does the government need it? It damn well 'needs' control everything, that's for sure, most especially where South America and the Caribbean are involved. Like Iran-Contra, I believe the money funds black government and black ops and as such is a large part of the black budget. I disagree 911 changed everything but rather was part of everything. I certainly don't believe at all it came as a surprise. Up the gain a tad more.

Dom culture = dominator culture, yes. Alcohol's partly responsible and in proactive terms, largely so. Otherwise, the missing ameliorating and thus mitigating effects of Entheogens in our native cultures left a void that it filled in contrast. Thank god (literally) they are making a slowly fulsome return to acceptance in our full world.

The New World Order is about furthering American hegemony in the Americas and globally, with South America as the pivotal question hence the significance of the activity there now. Alex Jones (http://infowars.com) overuses the term to death but I don't think it originated with him. I believe it's used other places differently but mostly refers to the PNAC (Project for a New American Century) crowd. I believe the planned highway from Canada through Mexico is preparation for it, what with it's vast tunnels and all.

Drug consumption is as necessary to the NWO as any other consumption.
Shop til you drop. That was Bush's prescription to 911 woes. It is confusing as hell that they act to keep illicit reefer use ongoing and then jailing such users when such use endangers them spiritually and intellectually but such myopia is typical of hubris. But then again, yeah, it makes them money coming and going. Tons.

Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Personal Gratification: "Here There Be Monsters"

http://www.tlaxcala.es/pp.asp?lg=en&reference=3190

Evo Morales, President of Bolivia, Addresses the 2007 World Social Forum in Nairobi

http://www.tlaxcala.es/pp.asp?lg=en&reference=1960

See Amy Goodman's interview with Morales. He's quite a guy. For now. I fear power corrupting him. He was literally shoved into power and his honeymoon period of innocence may still be ongoing. But he and the less innocent Chavez have a strong start on broad resistance to corrosive forces both within and without. Oil figures prominently, but drugs as much I believe. S.A. is beyond merely important -it's ultimately critical. Spice, doncha know, heh. But seriously that and more. Amazonia is still beyond our concept in what it holds. I believe Ayahuasca's nature totally freaks them out as a befuddling phenomenon of information 'storage' and conveyance and certainly experientially, but fortunately it takes ancient cultural knowledge and skill to produce and experience such communal information phenomenon. And we still do not know all else what Amazonia holds. The pharmaceutical companies want and need it badly.

The CIA's involvement as discussed here is nothing but their toehold to a vast future of subjugation over this veritable mouth of the Earth that speaks to us suchly, botanically. It's more key than anything, even oil.

This may be a large door to link madness but here tis:

you can understand...

to get to the tlaxcala and borev links i had to search back to this old post here.

Ten years later he flew another twin beech, again solo, to Hawaii and received an Air Force escort coming in, ostensibly because he was supposedly short on fuel. Nonsense. He reported in the paper he was nowhere near such. Myself, I've always believed the escort action was almost a sort of honor guard.

Given that the range of a Beech D-18 is 1200 miles and the distance between the US mainland and Hawaii is 2500 miles.

...for gasoline.

skyway logo visible on plane

In the 70's I carried 19 gallons of gas in my Karmann Ghias too.
8 of which were in the front trunk in a bladder tank he gave me for Xmas.
He was really this incredibly neat guy. Who loved loved loved to travel long distances independently. And I loved traveling with him. I'd talk his ear off, poor guy. My captive audience, heh. In the twin beeches of course he couldn't hear me as I babbled happily. Neither of us minded.

While I'm here:
I forgot I had this MP3 by Allen Ginsberg on CIA drug smuggling.
I'd come back to this post to add it.
CIA-Dope-GinsbergJan72.mp3

After posting that comment, I suspected there was an explanation that the plane was carrying a ton of extra fuel.

I'm a detail freak and a wordy cuss who tries to be brief and often blow it coming and going.

The thing is, his particular generation, born at the beginning of a century distinctly different from those before, learned and discovered and saw many revolutionary things in an accelerated progression that was really overwhelming and the lag time of absorbing it all grew and grew faster and he saw that. He was among the army pilots seeing from the air the huge Nazca line drawings years before their offical discovery. Things like that gave him a enlargened perspective early on. He pointedly turned his back on the [AT&T] aristocracy he was born into, *and* an Air Corps career, to stay down there and build. Ultimately it all turned to shit over the decades and he then wished, despise his strongly humble nature, he'd remained in the Air Corps and added a wise influence. He had a global view, in terms of land, distances, and people, and a unique perspective on the 20th Century, and a context greater than commerce or transnational theft -all this gave him an overview that is his ultimate legacy. All I can do is try to convey it. I think it was all an overwhelming understanding for him, causing him endless pause for thought, and action.

Before he died, he saw the advent of computers, networked computers. With that, he saw the world able to continue forward as he thought it ought. Despite Future Shock.

I just quit working (for the second time) at Runway Cafe' beneath Wiley Post Aiport's control tower. I believe he ate there in 1966 going out and back to Oakland. Just before he died in 1995, I asked where he'd rather have lived than Miami, Fl. if snow was no issue and he said, "Oklahoma City". My jaw dropped. -I've been here 7 years now. His ghost is all over this place and the small town of Bethany w/in OKC. Especially that little airport, with it's EAA (homebuilt aircraft) chapter and Warbirds chapter. I guess I'm home now. If the country is gonna crumble beneath us, this is a better place to be than Miami. And I need to be locally active.

http://www.okimc.org/ (dead server?? wha?)

http://acorn.org/index.php?id=9431

(These are two good networks for most anyone to start locally with.)

Everyone makes a difference he taught. 'Follow your nose' was his agenda.

I shot this Velocity at work a few years ago. As if keeping his interests, and thus him, somehow alive in this world... (Not long after, Dennis Kucinich was there, in Runway Cafe's sideyard, speaking. I'd a chance to speak with him, ask him anything I wanted, but I went on in back to work instead. I wish I'd talked to him, just because.)

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any more. I have read this kind of stuff before but have repressed it. But the one physical fact that undoes the "conspiracy theorist" charge is the plane with the N serial number that has both been a part of the GWOT and running drugs. Once you have the physical evidence, it is hard to make the story go away. It kinda writes itself.

my comment above ('you can understand...') holds a link that holds a link that may hold what you're looking for here, to wit:

The operator of the Gulfstream is Donna Blue Aircraft, Inc. of Coconut Creek, Florida. Its address, according to the Florida Division of Corporations, is 4811 Lyons Technology, Coconut Creek, Florida 33073.

On June 10, 2006, WMR reported that the N987SA Grumman G-1159, Gulfstream II, was operated by S/A Holdings LLC and had been involved in the renditioning of prisoners to Guantanamo Bay, Cuba

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...I hope this helps.

Thank you.

Thank you for that Amazon link. I did not know about Webb or his book. I am more glad to know of it than I can express. I also greatly appreciate the things you yourself experienced, witnessed and conveyed and thank you for that as well.

That first review, with the numbered dozen-plus points, was more worthy in weight than all the others and I'm glad it was there to speak that much more clearly and informedly about the book and it's subject matter than the others.

But then, everything on the internet is fake, right?

the guys who created crack? I mean, were they chemists? How did they get the idea? Stuff like that.

I sure lived a shelter life. This stuff is just blowing me away.

No, just 4 youngs guys that fell into it,you searched this out you might find them. 2 are died, 1 in prison for life and 1 helps kids in Oakland, Calif. That was years ago that I read it in San Franisco C. Read Webbs book and this http://www.dunwalke.com/ This sure answered some other questions I had.

Thanks to the writer (tin foil hat won't help)and owner of the site.

jo6pac

That was a helluva read, and a helluva link.
Wow.

Just like Blackwater profits from any war they're contracted to and so are behooved not to 'win' the war and end it's protraction, so too are the prisons behooved not to be less empty but more so, as they make money. This is one of many notions remaining with me from this past week. Certainly only a small aspect of all she said. I never did find crack and it's origin mentioned though, but no matter.

A stunning site, with much to take in. I whiffread some of it, and more closely much, but still I need to return there and will. Just wow.

is how far she takes it. She is into the New World Order narrative full bore--everything. Depopulation, poisoning the masses, slavery, chem trails, concentration camps, --the full meal deal. When you start down the rabbit hole, you don't know how far it goes.

Having said that, I actually went to hear her speak. I was very impressed. She barely mentioned the New World Order. "Just don't give it your energy." Her whole focus is helping people to build their own local economies. She reverse engineers her considerable financial background to help money stay local instead of going to the Tapeworm--her term for the global economy. Don't feed the Tapeworm. Invest locally with people you know in ventures that feed, cloth and house people. She certainly is apocalyptic; but she is also very down to earth. She is a very interesting person.

'Just don't give it your energy' was a good thing for me to read.
I too buy the full meal deal of the NWO narrative. Whatever else, it can be a toxic, bilious meal. Thanks, muchly appreciated directly useful words.

http://www.dunwalke.com/18_Through_the_Via_Dolorosa.htm

"Seeing the New World Order as they are accelerates their failure, particularly as it inspires withdrawing our resources from their control and shifting investment to alternatives to govern our global resources on a responsible, wealth creating basis. That is why we gather power for life as we withdraw from people, organizations and efforts that are not authentic and shift our social affirmation, our time and attention, our currency and deposits, and our investments and our donations to authentic people, enterprises and decentralizing solutions."

This, and much of her local reinvestment words kept bringing Farmer John Peterson and his co-op to my mind.

I am not ready to buy into the NWO stuff. I am watching Alex Jones' Endgame movie. The very nature of the narrative in which a Jewish cabal, which has been secretly in control of the world for hundreds of years and is now about to carry out its agenda is not convincing to say the least.

OK, a little waterboarding could "convince" me. For me, it is hard enough to give assent to what is said about the corruption of drugs in this country.

But from a class relations standpoint, one can come to similar but not as extreme conclusions. As they continue to build up "our" plutocracy and follow the logic of that kind of social organization, things will not go well for the rest of us.

Her lecture was very powerful in that I could see how the world is arranged to transfer wealth out of localities to financial centers. It certainly breaks down the localities, but then, we will have football to watch on the plasma screen TV's.

Regarding Farmer John, a great movie, but at the end of the movie he still is a "goofball" in the midst of the "sane." Fitts is advocating building whole localities out of Farmer John that are as self-sufficient as possible. She is an amazing person.

Yes, goofy, but that's not why I brought him up, the co--op aspect is why, as it was that that saved the farm.
And yes, taken a step larger logically follows.

In the early 1980's something like that definitely happened -suddenly it was indeed much cheaper and ubiquitous. And then, near as suddenly and just as noticeably, freebasing arose and became trendy. And then maybe a year or two later, or so it seemed if I recall right, 'crack' arose. I figured it was simply easier to ship that way (...as if it *was* shipped that way -what did I know) compared to regular powder coke. That brief period of popularity for freebasing was always symbolized to me by the incident where Richard Pryor caught his hair on fire, ostensibly from the volatile substance catching fire in his pipe. Of course, coke as a powder never went away, quite the opposite, so suddenly it wasn't just cheaper but available in more forms. Confusing. Chic powder vs. declasse' crack: classism.
The middle class took of both worlds. Talk about marketing, whew.

I never saw H or knew any users or even heard of any coming up from S.A. I know some poppies grew down there but I thought it more majorly a Mexican product in terms of the Americas, and inferior to what crossed the Atlantic in any case. I was running the streets like mad for years in Miami and like I say, never saw any, which always made me think some of that weed as gateway drug argument (in terms of black market exposure and availability) to be baloney.

I'm sorry weed and coke ever got so commingled in trafficking and in proscription, and in the counter culture as reflected in High Times magazine's relatively long period of seemingly commingling the two culturally.

The economics of trafficking are weird. Weed's bulky and cheap yet will never be legalised anyway I believe due to that gateway drug perception so 'artificially' enhanced by their practical association by being trafficked by the same people. -I believe less people would use coke if weed hadn't taught them about patronising the black market and how to 'score', etc. I may be idealistic, but I think the distinction between hard and soft drugs (or body and head drugs) would be greater if weed was legal and so lessen hard drug use.
Gateway is an ironic term.

When they began trash-compacting weed for trafficking purposes, spurred I believed by the contrast in trafficking relatively compact powders, I expected a larger market resentment and backlash. It happened in reverse over the years on a larger scale. Curiously, home growing wasn't as comparatively tolerated as expected and grow rooms, in homes, were actively sought by their heat signatures. Rooms. Not fields. If they wouldn't legalise it, at least let domestic production be relatively and comparatively tolerated, eh? But noooo. That's uncontrolled privateering.

Y'know, that huge tunnel planned for beneath the proposed tri-nation highway makes me think of the unbelieveably huge underground facility the feds have beneath Loring Air Force base (now closed). There's streets down there, some running miles. I wonder if into nearby Canada as well...

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...That's some serious hardware you worked on. I appreciate mechanics who work on jets but piston-powered prop people much more so. The simplicity (and maybe the efficiency too) of jet engines is almost galling to me.

...top cash crop. I imagine it's simply easier to target grow rooms than it is to get the guys in the woods (who, after all, probably aren't growing top grade stuff). Still, the skies are full of helicopters come harvest season in many good growing areas of this country.

As to where the money goes - we just learned today that the US spends 50 billion a year on the intelligence activities we can admit to.

I think you're right. Good point.