America: Land of the brave, home of those scared of anyone and anything different


A new study from the Public Religion Research Institute shows that voters across all political parties are uncomfortable with the idea of a president with an uncommon religious identity, such as Mormon, Muslim, or atheist. In particular, Republicans seem particularly averse to a Muslim or atheist president....

We've come a long ways, baby...or not. My life began with the Presidency of John F. Kennedy. Prior to JFK, the idea of a Catholic President scared the Hell (no pun intended) out of many Americans at the time. Would JFK's allegiance be to the American people? Or would he answer to the Pope? Would he preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution...or the interests of the Vatican? It seems silly now, because Catholicism has long since become mainstream, but in the first half of the 20th century, Catholicism was viewed with a very suspicious eye by most Americans. Catholics today are subjected to little, if any, overt discrimination, but in 1960 it was a very different world.

You might think that we live in a more enlightened world, and that we're far more accepting of those who profess religions other than mainstream Protestant Christianity. If you're thinking that, you'd be...wrong. While Catholics no longer need worry about overt discrimination, relatively few Americans are willing to entertain the idea of a President who's a Mormon, an Atheist, or (HORRORS!!) a Muslim. We may believe in separation of Church and State...but that Church had better be a Christian one. Non-believers, idolators, and America-hating, Sharia-pushing Islamofascists need not apply. This is America...wee haz Jesus!!

Seriously, y'all...isn't it about time we looking past fearing people for what they believe and begin appreciating people for who they are? Must we really remain stuck in the mindset that if you ain't got Jesus, you ain't $#!^?? Do we really have to continue demonstrating by our actions that we clearly don't understand the teachings of the Savior we profess to revere? How can we continue to ridicule and denigrate Islam for an alleged willingness to destroy those who believe differently when there's no denying that Christians are capable of the same damn thing?

The more things change....

(Also published at What Would Jack Do?)


Jack Cluth November 19, 2011 - 2:05pm
( categories: USA: Domestic Issues )

We haven't even come close to having another nonprotestant president in the last 47 years, but looking at the Supreme Court, there is a strong case to be made that Catholics are unfit for it.

maqmigh November 19, 2011 - 6:29pm

your comment Maqmigh.

Bad decisions make good stories.

Sean Paul Kelley November 19, 2011 - 7:36pm

being a Catholic raised through a Catholic School is if that Catholic has been taught to think critically, applying that critical thought logically and dispassionately, that's a start.

Next, of they an show that no dogmatic influence goes into the decision-making process (no religion, no papal decrees, no 'statements of belief'), only a thorough scholarly review of the Law as written, as applied, and as intended (since conditions change over time), then you might have the makings for a Justice.

hmmm....these conditions should apply for everyone, not just Catholics or Christinists (Dominionists). also hmmmm....'Domocratic' and 'Republican' also might fall under my fail-point regarding 'dogmatic influence'--showing politics has no place in Law.

Lately, far too much emphasis has been placed on one's beliefs, and what one 'should' be thinking, believing, doing with regards to Faith (capital 'F'). Perhaps Jesus's own words should be brought to bear here: "Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's...render unto God what is God's"--not only for money, but in Everything...Keep God's Law for God's House...keep our Laws in our Country.

"It's no longer IOKIYAR....It's OK If You're A Republican, but IOKBYAR--It's OK BECAUSE You're a Republican." -- Me

justadood November 20, 2011 - 12:00am

...I have to say it's frankly offensive. "Unfit" to serve? All catholics? Really?

When someone will not or cannot give the law primacy over religious doctrine they are disqualified from service, but extending that to all catholics is lazy bullshit.

"In combat one should be very suspicious of painless moral choices. When you are confronted with a seemingly painless moral choice, the odds are that you haven't looked deeply enough." ~ Karl Marlantes

JustPlainDave November 20, 2011 - 10:07am

It is the training that is a problem, not the religion. The jesuitical need to "win" an argument by narrowing and narrowing further the scope of the question so that the overall construct is lost has done an enormous disservice to our jurisprudence.

We know that the highest (and particularly unchristian but very catholic) good served by Scalia, Alito, et al. is that which inures from the ownership of property, but the method of argument frequently obscures that.

The jesuits and talmudists have the technique of engaging in this trivialization of argument very much in common. I suppose the technique comes from the fact that the doctrine being parsed comes from god, not man, and so must stand for the greatest good which itself need not (and in fact cannot) be seen by us. This, I suppose, serves clerics and "scholars" of holy books but is deeply dangerous when parsing laws made by man to serve men.

Again it is not the doctrine that is the problem but rather the method of argument that "wins" by stripping context.

hvd November 21, 2011 - 9:59am

That is still very true and becoming more so daily. Watch any professional football game and at the send you'll see players from both teams gather in a circle, get on one knee, and pray to Jesus in thanks for being allowed to join in such a wonderful, spiritual pasttime. And now we've got Tim Tebow kneeling down after every touchdown and pointing to heaven, as if the message for the television audience wasn't already very clear that Jesus really scored that touchdown because Tim Tebow is such a devoted fan.

Lord only knows what the Supreme Court Catholics do before they come out of that curtain and sit at their chairs.

If I were president and somebody asked me if I believed in prayer or schools, I would say yes, as long as the Holy Father in Rome, as the spiritual head of our nation, gets to decide what the prayers will be. That is because I was raised a Catholic and was always taught there is only one True, Catholic, Apostolic Faith. All the rest are imposters.

It's time, in other words, for somebody to start forcing Christians to choose which among them will receive a tithe from all the taxpayers, the way the Anglicans did in Colonial times.

Numerian November 19, 2011 - 8:31pm

but whether to be Mormon is a pass/fail IQ test, straight up. The premises of that cult are easily as ludicrous as those of Roman Catholics, but the hokey origins of their doctrines are out in plain view. You gotta be seriously broken before you buy into that stuff.

chalo November 20, 2011 - 12:31am

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