John Edwards Support Surging


So notes Glenn Greenwald:

I confess that my own take was that if Edwards didn't win Iowa his chances were very slim. These numbers seem to indicate otherwise. Admittedly, it's quite clear that NH will probably go heavily Obama, and the historical pattern has been for that to translate into a further bump in the early states.

However, if I were Edwards and I was tracking similiar numbers to these, I simply would not drop out based on the early states, especially if the trend continues. And, while Clinton's numbers are clearly dropping (and, as Glenn notes, they are transfering to Edwards, not Obama) at this point, if I were her, I'd be worried, but not yet panicking.

It ain't over yet. Obama's got the momentum, but he needs to start moving those national numbers or he's going to hit a brick wall.

I find this very interesting because of the lack of coverage that Edwards has received in the media. He shouldn't be getting this surge, it just shouldn't be happening. That means that something about him and his message is getting through.

Perhaps it has something to do with the tired phrase "change", which this election is supposedly about.

Earlier today I read an article by Ari Berman at the Nation. In it Ari goes over the Clinton and Obama foreign policy teams in detail - 4 long pages. Edwards foreign policy gets one slightly dismissive paragraph:

The top Democrat who puts the least emphasis on foreign affairs and has the fewest number of advisers, John Edwards, has paradoxically said some of the most interesting things during the campaign. Edwards has called the "war on terror" a "bumper sticker, not a plan," and has opposed enlarging the Army, citing the "little rationale given for exactly why we need this many troops." Days before the Iowa caucuses, he more sharply distinguished his position on Iraq from those of Clinton and Obama by calling for a near-total pullout of US forces within ten months. However, in foreign policy circles Edwards's knowledge of world affairs is considered thin, and on the stump he's far more passionate about domestic issues like poverty and trade. His main foreign policy adviser, Mike Signer, was an aide to former Virginia Governor Mark Warner, and his longtime national security adviser in the Senate, Derek Chollet, is a Holbrooke protégé and a fellow at the Center for New American Security, a centrist think tank working to align Democrats closer to the military. Both are relatively hawkish; Signer wrote an essay in 2006 calling for a doctrine of "exemplarism," which he labeled "a militarily strong and morally ambitious version of American exceptionalism."

Remarkable. Just remarkable - John Edwards gets one paragraph, even though Ari admits that the differences between his foreign policy and that of Clinton and Obama is much greater than that between Clinton's and Obama's. And the reason is probably that he doesn't have a huge board of "experts" to foist the Beltway's conventional wisdom on him.

Forget dueling foreing policy establishments, Edwards basic frame is far more progressive and forward looking than Obama's or Clinton's. He doesn't believe in a "war on terror" and he doesn't want to add 92,000 new troops.

As noted, Obama and Clinton get more time in the piece, and the guy who wants to stop the insanity isn't taken seriously. The US spends over 50% of the world's military budget and is losing two wars to rabble, yet Obama and Clinton think it should raise more troops? Does "good money after bad" mean nothing to these folks?

Both Obama and Clinton have "serious" teams, with "serious" ideas.

But Edwards has the ideas that make sense.

The US can't afford current policies. It's in serious imperial overstretch, massively in debt, losing its industrial base, maintaining an army whose effectiveness is extremely questionable and losing its technological lead in multiple fields. And the "war on terror" has led to a massive increase in terrorism--it is a complete and utter failure on every metric.

Any foreign policy analyst who was actually serious, as opposed to "serious" would look at this and not be proposing more troops; would not be suggesting that the "war on terror exists". But "serious" foreign policy analysts like Obama's and Clinton's are doing just that.

The US's foreign policy establishment is deeply sick from end to end. The Neocons are only the most gangenous extremity.

And John Edwards is the only one of the three proposing anything really different. The only one really proposing "change". Lord knows he's not perfect (the Agonist attacked his "all options" statement with regards to Iran) but saying the war on terror is counterproductive was the equivalent of saying "the emperor has no clothes".

And only Edwards had the guts, honestly and wisdom to say it. Likewise he is the only one of the three candidates not pandering to fear and the military lobby by promising new troops, logically asking why the US would need them if it's leaving Iraq?

So, today, I find myself slightly encouraged. There's an actual surge going on, and while it hasn't produced victory yet, it's showing promise. That surge is by John Edwards, the man who dared to say that the emperor has no clothes; the man who didn't hire a hundred "foreign security advisors". The man who doesn't want to expand the US army.

So, with all due respect to Agonistas who have other candidate preferences, I'm hoping this trendline continues all the way to John Edwards winding up in the White House.

Because it's time to end the War on "Terror" and it's time to stop pandering to the military industrial complex. And of the big 3 Democratic candidates, only Edwards has the eyes to see this and the guts to say it. Of the Big 3, on foreign policy, only Edwards is for "change".


Ian Welsh January 7, 2008 - 6:00pm
( categories: USA: Campaign 2008 )

The dollar bubble bursting will do far more to alter the foreign policy then any politician.

brodix January 7, 2008 - 6:56pm
Gordon January 7, 2008 - 7:43pm

" Edwards seems to recognize that there are some people -- like the health care executive he cited who retired from his job with over $100 million in the policy-holders loot -- who don't deserve to come together with anything except a grand jury. Edwards is willing to gaze past the kindergarten emotions of primary politics and see the stupendous ugliness and unfairness of a land that is being sucked dry by corporate vampires. I believe he will righteously kick their asses, and that they need to get their asses kicked, so I'm more inclined to support Edwards. I believe he means it, too."

http://www.kunstler.com/

Zman1527 January 7, 2008 - 7:51pm

Nothing would be more enjoyed than to see Edwards move ahead and take away some of Obama's steam, but as it stands, Obama has the momentum.

If you look at this race as one focused on stopping Hillary, given that any other candidate is preferable, then Edwards is the person to support on the issues alone, given that the liberal-socialism of Kusinich or Gravell is out of the window. Obama would then be the second choice. However, it is Obama with the antiHillary momentum right now and that's where the votes will go.

This is not an election to just replace right wing Republicanism, but to replace DLC politics and policies, i.e., Republican Lite, with a more leftist agenda.


shergald January 8, 2008 - 9:50am

The tide is changing and it's changing fast. The latest New Hampshire poll has Obama beating Clinton by double digits and Clinton beating Edwards by another ten points. The current South Carolina poll has Obama anywhere from 10 to twenty points better than Clinton and between 25 and 35 points better than Edwards.

I did inhale.

Don January 7, 2008 - 8:27pm

If Edwards is surging anywhere, it's towards the bottom. His message is simply not resonating with the voters while Obama's is.


“I despise ideologues masquerading as objective journalists.” - Bill O'Reilly, March 30, 2007

Mark January 8, 2008 - 12:05am

...exaggerate. That's a very cautious mix of polls. Edwards is taking some of Hillary's decline (Obama is taking more). "Surging" was perhaps too strong a word to use, but there are a couple things to be careful of before calling it for Obama. Iowa and NH are open primaries, and Obama takes a lot of the independents (away from McCain, thus helping Romney). If Obama is good at being the front-runner, then he'll probably keep the lead, even in closed primary states. But it just takes one misstep.

(And due to McGovern embarrassing the leadership of the Dems, there are now "superdelegates" appointed by the Dem leadership, which explains why, in terms of delegates, Hillary actually won Iowa decisively.)

Gordon January 8, 2008 - 1:02am

firstly, the Rasmussen numbers from today show this:

         1/7  1/6  1/5  1/4  1/3

Clinton  33   36   38   38   41
Obama    29   25   25   26   24
Edwards  20   23   20   18   17

Obama surges 4 points, Edwards falls 3.

Secondly, an average of all polls works better than any one poll...

http://www.pollster.com/08-US-Dem-Pres-Primary.php

Statistically speaking, Edwards has been flat for almost a year, whereas Obama has been rising steadily. Clinton also (interestingly) has a modest surge... but is falling in Florida and California.

I, for one, am curious to see how this pans out...

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bex January 7, 2008 - 8:49pm

http://www.politicalcompass.org/usprimaries2008

I'm in line with Gravel, left to right and two notches further down on the libertarian scale.

Shame he doesn't have a prayer.

By all rights, I guess I should vote for him anyway. Ron Paul scored more toward authoritarian thinking than I would have expected.

I did inhale.

Don January 7, 2008 - 11:30pm

OTTAWA — If you're asking Canadians, it doesn't seem to matter much who wins Tuesday's New Hampshire primaries.

A new poll suggests Canadians so massively favour the U.S. Democratic party that they'd back any of its leading candidates in a presidential race against a Republican.

The Harris-Decima survey suggests the Democrats would trounce the Republicans by a four-to-one margin if the voters were Canadian.

U.S. President George W. Bush's Republican party would get creamed even in a hypothetical election in which only Canadian Conservatives voted.

The survey, provided exclusively to The Canadian Press, says 49 per cent of Canadians expressed a preference for Democrats while only 12 per cent did the same for Republicans.

Even self-described Conservatives — who are supposedly more ideologically in tune with the right-leaning Republicans — favoured the Democrats by a 47-23 margin.
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adrena January 8, 2008 - 2:50am

When the choice is simply between a moderately right-wing party and an extreme, radical right-wing party, what else would any sensible moderate do?


"The best-informed man is not necessarily the wisest. Indeed there is a danger that precisely in the multiplicity of his knowledge he will lose sight of what is essential."

- Dietrich Bonhoeffer

Escher Sketch January 8, 2008 - 3:09am

so that old Canadian political attitude just does not work anymore:-)
1."George Washington did not cross the Delaware for Capitalism," -Shmuley Boteach.
2.The Dems haven't punished the GOP enough, so you're going to reward the Republicans?

nymole January 8, 2008 - 8:59pm

However, I must in fairness point out that even Canadian conservatism -


Canadian Elections 2005

- is smack dab in the middle of American liberalism.

Hillary would be the head of the Conservative party here, and Huckabee [doh, my bad, meant to say Tancredo] would be pumping gas in minus thirty at a Husky station outside Consort, Alberta and dreaming of running for mayor.


"The best-informed man is not necessarily the wisest. Indeed there is a danger that precisely in the multiplicity of his knowledge he will lose sight of what is essential."

- Dietrich Bonhoeffer

Escher Sketch January 8, 2008 - 9:18pm

(I double dare anyone to publish that chart on some of the principal actors on some dark and stormy night):-)


1."George Washington did not cross the Delaware for Capitalism," -Shmuley Boteach.
2.The Dems haven't punished the GOP enough, so you're going to reward the Republicans?

nymole January 8, 2008 - 10:04pm

Edwards is doing a fine job being the bad cop to Obama's good cop. As a long time Dem, I'll be holding my breath today hoping the proverbial nails are put in Clinton's campaign today.

jjvannorman January 8, 2008 - 10:09am

I have heard several speeches in the last six days by all the candidates. I heard all of Obama's Iowa acceptance speech. His words make the hair on the back of my neck go up. No one else does that in quite the way he can. It has been a long time since I remember anyone speak in such a powerful voice. There has been a change, and people are responding to someone who seems to be President.

I've been an ardent Hillary supporter all year, really on a fear basis. Not believing that anyone else can go against the Republican establishment. But that is not true anymore as almost every repub candidate appears to have self imploded or is on their way to that end. And some of the stuff about these guys one just cannot make up, so the dynamic has changed.

I still maintain, and have maintained, that Edwards has a steep hill to climb. For one he was once a DLCer, and seems to jump on things when it is timely. I guess all politicians do, but this idea that he is an anti-DLCer I don't think is founded. I can't get over the fact that Edwards holds no political office. He shares the same fate as Giuliani and Thompson in that regard, and look how they have fared. I will say that Fred Thompson probably woke up last week and went - Shit - when he saw he came in third, which meant he can't quit yet.

Anyway, something has changed in the last two weeks, and I watch a candidate who is growing and morphing into, perhaps, something very very great. And I have not seen it in a long long time.

Scotjen61 January 8, 2008 - 1:13pm

I find it interesting that Huckabee is the most favorably disposed to Obama, compared to other Republicans who attack him as a liberal. Probably because Huckabee knows that the "people want change" message favors both him and Obama in the primaries...

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bex January 8, 2008 - 1:41pm

the redneck side of Huckabee KNOWS he can beat somebody like Obama any time.

creativelcro January 8, 2008 - 6:16pm

Obama's a MOOSLIM, don't y'know.



Turn back to the Constitution - and
READ it.

Rick January 8, 2008 - 7:07pm

How confident are we with our criteria for high public office? On the one hand, I have some yearnings for a citizen legislature -- if you enter the political track in college, start with government service (usually as a lawyer) after graduation, run for local office, then state office, then Congress, after a few terms Senator or Governor, and finally are regarded as having sufficient experience to be a viable Presidential candidate, you've essentially been a politician all your life, with the narrowness that implies. The narrowness can be good if you've been focussed on public policy your whole life and have learned how to work within the system to bring about your goals. Or it can be bad, if you've lived your life in the arms of government and lobbyists and consultants and have developed the "we're leaders, we know better than the electorate who need to be spun to put us back in office" attitude notable in Washington. Notable example of a man who came to politics late is Jimmy Carter, whose efforts on energy independence and human rights-based foreign policy look pretty prescient these days but who didn't have the purely politican instincts to put together the political coalition to make any of it happen.

John Edwards is another man who came to politics late. He entered politics in 1998 when he ran for the Senate, and learned politics on the job. That means he was heavily dependent on advisors. What I've seen is someone who learned very quickly and increasingly made his own decisions. The learning was not instantaneous. His major error was the vote that enabled Bush to invade Iraq. How many colleagues/consultants do you think said, "Here's how you have to vote to avoid committing electoral suicide, especially since you come from a Bush-supporting, military-loving conservative state"?

Given that Edwards was the only candidate to push a poverty agenda in 2004, and given his role in moving the whole Democratic field to the left in 2007, it's hard for me to conclude that Edwards jumps on things when it's timely. Instead, I conclude that we're seeing someone who is not a lifetime politician growing in confidence and ability to advance a public policy agenda with some realistic hope of effectiveness.

nihil obstet January 8, 2008 - 4:22pm

I'm looking for a web site where I can enter a term, say "agricultural subsidies" or "outsourcing" and get an across-the-board analysis of what the candidates (regardless of party) stand for.

Is there anything like this?

Would it be a bad idea for some organization should submit written questionnaires for about 100 hot-button issues and elicit written responses from the candidates themselves? No PR flacks allowed.

This business of the press covering what it wants makes an objective analysis very difficult.

Petronius January 8, 2008 - 6:14pm
tfisb January 8, 2008 - 6:31pm

these polls mean something, especially at the grain of a couple of percentage points. Big assumption.

creativelcro January 8, 2008 - 6:14pm

n/t

creativelcro January 8, 2008 - 6:19pm

early exit polling leaks from NH look like:

Obama in the 40s%
Hillary in the 20s%
Edwards in the 10s%

with all independents cutting to Obama. So Obama wins two in a row. And Hillary and Edwards get sloppy seconds and thirds. Going into South Carolina it is again looking like Obama-Hillary-Edwards.

And no chance of an Obama-Edwards ticket. That has already played out, and Edwards was not a team player with Kerry in 2004, so a repeat is not likely in the cards.

But who would Obama pick?? (AND can we move off pining after Edwards for a little while. I feel like this site is missing a real sea change in these early caucus/primaries).

Scotjen61 January 8, 2008 - 6:35pm

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