Ahmadinejad On Nuclear Power


I believe he's more right on this than wrong, ya know...

We are a country, we are a member of the International Atomic Energy Agency. For over 33 years we are a member state of the agency. The bylaw of the agency explicitly states that all member states have the right to the peaceful nuclear fuel technology. This is an explicit statement made in the bylaw, and the bylaw says that there is no pretext or excuse, even the inspections carried by the IAEA itself that can prevent member states' right to have that right.

Of course, the IAEA is responsible to carry out inspections. We are one of the countries that's carried out the most amount of level of cooperation with the IAEA. They have had hours and weeks and days of inspections in our country, and over and over again the agency's reports indicate that Iran's activities are peaceful, that they have not detected a deviation, and that Iran -- they have received positive cooperation from Iran.

But regretfully, two or three monopolistic powers, selfish powers want to force their word on the Iranian people and deny them their right.

They keep saying... (CROSSTALK)

They tell us you don't let them -- they won't let them inspect. Why not? Of course we do. How come is it, anyway, that you have that right and we can't have it? We want to have the right to peaceful nuclear energy. They tell us, don't make it yourself, we'll give it to you.

Well, in the past, I tell you, we had contracts with the U.S. government, with the British government, the French government, the German government, and the Canadian government on nuclear development for peaceful purposes. But unilaterally, each and every one of them canceled their contracts with us, as a result of which the Iranian people had to pay a heavy cost in billions of dollars.

Why do we need the fuel from you? You've not even given us spare aircraft parts that we need for civilian aircraft for 28 years under the name of embargo and sanctions because we're against, for example, human rights or freedom? Under that pretext, you are deny us that technology? We want to have the right to self-determination toward our future. We want to be independent. Don't interfere in us.

If you don't give us spare parts for civilian aircraft, what is the expectation that you'd give us fuel for nuclear development for peaceful purposes?

For 30 years, we've faced these problems for over $5 billion to the Germans and then to the Russians, but we haven't gotten anything. And the words have not been completed.

It is our right. We want our right. And we don't want anything beyond the law, nothing less than international law.

Basically, the Security Council thinks Iran might be doing what it's doing to get nukes. But what they are doing is legal under the non-proliferation act - they aren't in violation yet. The West doesn't want them to be within spring distance of a nuclear bomb. But, the thing is, lots of countries are within sprint distance (Canada or Japan could have nukes in less than year, no question, for example). So, if you're Iranian, the question is "why can they have sprint capacity and we can't?" Especially as Iran is projected to, within 10 years, not have enough energy to supply its own needs. So it does need nuclear energy.

And again, Ahmadinejad is right - who wants to depend on the West for something as basic as energy? Once you need it; once they supply it, they could easily enough cut you off. And it's not like the West doesn't have a record of doing exactly that to regimes it doesn't like.

That's before we get to the real essence of the problem - perhaps Iran does want a nuclear bomb. But then, who wouldn't in their shoes? The US government for years has been very clear that they want "regime change" in Iran. They saw what happened to Iraq the last time the US wanted regime change really badly. Saddam was invaded not because he had nukes, but because he didn't and the lesson was clear to every government on Washington's hate list - get a bomb, or one day you could end hanging from a noose like Saddam.

Reap what you sow. If I were Iran I wouldn't be giving up my nuclear program either. And I wouldn't see why I can't have what Western countries have - my own nuclear industry.

Ahmadinejad and the Iranian leadership aren't insane, or stupid, or any more evil than many other regimes. They're rational people, and they're actiong rationally.


Ian Welsh September 25, 2007 - 3:14am
( categories: Miscellany )

Last year, he started a blog. While I sorely wish I had it's own URL handy, I do have my text copies online:
http://zuma.theprawn.com/ahmadinejad01.txt
http://zuma.theprawn.com/ahmadinejad02.txt
I note in particular these passages from the second link:

---
Thank you for this endeavor. I believe we all need to openly hear
from everybody, heads of state especially. Here I can, with
courtesy, publicly reply. Such openness is always needed
everywhere.

I know nothing of the world firsthand but for what I read and hear,
and must be discerning if not judgemental. For this, we, I, need
hear all voices.

Those who do not speak freely at all do not gain trust.

People of conscience in this world are ever poorly represented by
the powers that be. It is not so in America. We look back and see
100 years of empire building and it cost us our illusion of
freedom. we look back now, at such time of crisises, for our lost
freedom... Better we should be looking back bidden by our
consciences instead.
And we see that.

I believe America is in a civil war, Power against Conscience. It
is certainly a pivotal moment of change. Our own past presidents
warned against this day. We who oppose tyrrany, do so here, and not
just for our sake, but equally for the other nations of the world
as well.

Please, hear from the other America, we who are not otherwise
represented save for our mass voices on the internet. Please,
please, continue speaking to us all. Would that all heads of state
did so.

Would that all countries tended to their own discords and
discourses first and discount all agents of force, that they may
get down to the real business of neighborhoods and villages. -The
business of state in service to the state of conscience.


---

And so on. Personally, I like the somewhat goofy guy, but my Iranian friends have other, more informed opinions.

We should, of course, be always better informed.
And with Net Neutrality's future to consider, procrastinatioin is ill-advised. Sooo, I'm suggesting many ought now go to sites they may not have thought of.
If I were to give only one link, I'd recommend http://www.gooya.com/ right off. Many links, many news sources of all sorts.
Here are Iranian newspapers in English to consider as well:
http://www.tehrantimes.com/http://www.tehrantimes.com/
http://www.iran-daily.com/
http://www.iran-news.com/
One can maybe still go deeper these days but I've been advised against it. My buddy Joe chided me particularly for going to:
http://www.duas.org/
http://www.al-islam.org/
but I think he was being over-cautious.
I was glad I saw those pages. I can imagine how our home-brewed fundie pages appear to them!

Anyway, I'm glad the Iranian president came. Wise move.
  Everyone there is scrambling to get out to safety. Kuwait, anywhere. Even to here. Get that, *they* think it's safe here. *They* are not worried about terrorist attacks here... I think he came to calm their fears. -And mostly to look like he's trying to Do Something.
  But actually, his trip here *does* accomplish things, even if simply giving Iran a human face to the U.S.

Zuma September 25, 2007 - 4:43am

...(with no desire to have even ambiguity about their capabilities), why is it so difficult to get Iran to fully implement the Additional Protocol? Contrary to the notion of compliance with the Nonproliferation Treaty, much of what they did to get them to this point was flatly against their treaty obligations, frequent indignant Iranian denials to the contrary. When they won't implement the Additional Protocols, in spite of having signed them, and in the context of an originally clandestine program, folks get damned squirrelly about intent - reap what you sow, indeed.

The answer to the Iranian question of why we can have a surge capability and they can't is simple. We have significant conventional military power and are well integrated into international security arrangements - there is significant reason to believe, quite aside from our long history full adherence with NPT obligations, that we would not weaponize. We have other, better options than nuclear arms. The Iranians, on the contrary, do not. For all the posturing, their military forces are miniscule with very restricted capabilities - except, notably, in the field of unconventional weapons (where the posturing is at its highest). Iranian strategic thinking clearly puts an extremely high premium on these types of weapons and views them as the pinnacle of strategic power. Which is more dangerous to their surroundings - a man with a handgun and a manpack bomb, or a man with only a manpack bomb? The man with the handgun has other options - the man with the bomb can only catastrophically self-detonate. Iran lives in a dangerous neighbourhood - eventually they will use force and I don't want to be splashed because they put all their strategic eggs in one unrealistic basket.

"Ambiguously loose statements on the one hand, and euphemisms that link terrorism and fascism to Islam on the other, have created confusion and resentment on all sides." ~ Fariborz Mokhtari

JustPlainDave September 25, 2007 - 7:19am

A couple of questions. What exactly are the Additional Protocols and to whom do they apply?

To the extent they "cheated" in arriving at a nuclear capability and dealt with bad guys like Pakistan and N. Korea, did they have much choice in light of the West's withdrawal from Iran ?

Is Iranian paranoia rational? Have we interfered in their internal affairs and have we supported a massive war of attrition waged against them?

Aside from a fairly childish holding of hostages in the wake of years of oppression at the hands of our puppet how has Iran attacked us (the U.S.) such that we should anticipate aggressive military type actions against us if they actually possessed a nuclear weapon?

Why are you convinced that "eventually they will use force," presumably nuclear, particularly if we stopped interfering in their neighborhood for the sake of good deals and hegemony when our strategic interests are not involved except to the extent that we cut a marginally better deal for oil on behalf of certain cronies?

Don't we, as the guys with the biggest sticks, still have the opportunity to impose our will when in fact our strategic interests are at stake, if we take the gamble that the players in that neighborhood might find their own balance if we don't keep messing up the game on behalf of one or another crony?

What makes you think that they are in any way a significant (not even existential) threat to us?

hvd September 25, 2007 - 8:43am

...than I have available to deal with this afternoon to deal with. Hope you can wait until tonight.

"Ambiguously loose statements on the one hand, and euphemisms that link terrorism and fascism to Islam on the other, have created confusion and resentment on all sides." ~ Fariborz Mokhtari

JustPlainDave September 25, 2007 - 11:43am

"We have significant conventional military power and are well integrated into international security arrangements - there is significant reason to believe, quite aside from our long history full adherence with NPT obligations, that we would not weaponize."

I'll have to object to that statement. The US does not have a history of adherence with NPT obligations and to the extent that it is in compliance it is a totally non-symmetrical way. The Nuclear Posture Review contains no provisions for verification or transparency. The US does not want any transparency or accountability for its disarmament obligations for the same reason that Saddam refused to be transparent about the state of his WMD programs - he had enemies and he didn't want his enemies to have any kind of clear understanding of his weapon capabilities.

I'll go out on a limb and say Iran is not going to use a nuclear weapon against another country. I know that as sure as I knew Saddam didn't have WMDs. Its never going to happen. I don't even believe they intend to build a nuclear weapon but I certainly could be wrong about that. And let's be honest - nothing will convince the current administration that Iran does not intend to build nuclear weapon. No matter what hoops they jump through, no matter what protocols they implement.

Also I think the current situation in Iraq shows that the US is not well integrated into international security arrangements. The US has the ability to carry out whatever illegal actions it deems fit without consequences, atleast not from other nations. If the US decided to use nuclear weapons against Iran tomorrow, would other nations even protest? The people of other nations would but would their governments? Or would they prefer to wait out the current administration and preserve their foreign relations with the US.
Contrary to your argument I would say the US and Israel are the two countries most likely to use nuclear weapons against another country for the simple reason that they are the only two countries which can expect to escape in-kind retaliation.

"If I should ever die, God forbid, let this be my epitaph:
The only proof he needed for the existence of God was music."
-Kurt Vonnegut, A Man Without A Country

jumpinin September 25, 2007 - 8:56am

Ian asked why Canada (that'd be me, BTW) and Japan can have a surge capability, but Iran can't. Being a nuclear weapons state, by definition, the United States doesn't enter into the question.

"Ambiguously loose statements on the one hand, and euphemisms that link terrorism and fascism to Islam on the other, have created confusion and resentment on all sides." ~ Fariborz Mokhtari

JustPlainDave September 25, 2007 - 11:42am

Actually I'm a Canadian too. I didn't realize you were Canadian so I totally misinterpreted your comment. Apologies all around ;)

"If I should ever die, God forbid, let this be my epitaph:
The only proof he needed for the existence of God was music."
-Kurt Vonnegut, A Man Without A Country

jumpinin September 25, 2007 - 8:09pm

was voluntary and never ratified by Iran. Iran's stopped it.

Some history:

http://www.antiwar.com/prather/?articleid=11539

But the reality is the IAEA has once again verified to all IAEA members and NPT-signatories "the non-diversion of the declared nuclear materials" by Iran. Furthermore, Iran and the IAEA Secretariat have just announced an important agreed "time table" for "resolution" by year’s end of "all outstanding questions" relevant to the implementation of Iran’s Safeguards Agreement. And even some "questions" that aren’t relevant.

On May 15, 1974, Iran entered into an agreement with the IAEA – to remain in force as long as Iran remained a party to the Treaty on Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons – wherein all Iranian "source or special fissionable materials" and activities involving them were to be made subject to IAEA Safeguards "with a view to preventing diversion of nuclear energy from peaceful purposes."

Now, it is true that Iran voluntarily suspended certain activities in 2003 when it signed an Additional Protocol to its Safeguards Agreement, and offered to begin complying with the Additional Protocol, immediately, in advance of its formal ratification. And, in 2005, offered to permanently suspend certain other activities, in return for certain security guarantees by the European Union.

But that offer to the EU was never even acknowledged, no NPT-illegal sanctions on Iran were ever lifted, and no security guarantees were ever provided to Iran.

So, Iran resumed some of the activities it had voluntarily suspended. Furthermore, Iran’s Parliament decided not to ratify the Additional Protocol and ordered the Iranian Atomic Energy Agency to cease complying with it.

Since then, the official mission and role of the IAEA in Iran is once again totally proscribed by the original Safeguards Agreement and its Subsidiary Arrangements.

Nevertheless, on February 4, 2006, under extreme pressure by the United States, the IAEA Board of Governors adopted a resolution in which it concluded that for "confidence" to be built "in the exclusively peaceful nature of Iran’s nuclear program" it was "deemed necessary" for Iran to :

* re-establish full and sustained suspension of all enrichment related and reprocessing activities, including research and development, to be verified by the Agency;
* reconsider the construction of a research reactor moderated by heavy water;
* ratify promptly and implement in full the Additional Protocol;
* pending ratification, continue to act in accordance with the provisions of the Additional Protocol which Iran signed on 18 December 2003;
* implement transparency measures, as requested by the Director General, including in GOV/2005/67, which extend beyond the formal requirements of the Safeguards Agreement and Additional Protocol, and include such access to individuals, documentation relating to procurement, dual use equipment, certain military-owned workshops and research and development as the Agency may request in support of its ongoing investigations.

Now, it is certainly within the Board’s purview to ask Iran to resolve those legitimate "outstanding questions" concerning Iran’s implementation of its Safeguards agreement, chronicled in the Director-General’s report of September 2, 2005.

But nowhere does the UN Charter, the IAEA Statute or the NPT, itself, even suggest that the Board needs to satisfy itself that any country’s nuclear program is exclusively peaceful.

For the Board to "deem it necessary" for a sovereign state to promptly ratify the Additional Protocol to its existing Safeguards Agreement – a treaty – is an egregious violation of the IAEA UN-proscribed charter.

And for the Board to "report" Iran to the Security Council as a "threat to the peace" for Iran’s failure to comply with the Board’s illegal and outrageous demands is beyond the pale.

The primary mission of the IAEA is to "encourage and assist research on – and development and practical application of – atomic energy for peaceful purposes, throughout the world."

More at link

Bottom line: Iran is being told it's no allowed to do things that other countries are allowed to do. They don't like that. I wouldn't like it if I were an Iranian.

None of which is to say that I really want Iran to have nukes, or want them to have enrichment capacity. But if the West didn't want that to happen, maybe it should have accepted Iran's serious offer in 2003 to stop it all - or Iran's offer in 2005 to stop it. The West didn't, and Iran has to assume the reason we didn't is because we don't want to give them real security guarantees.

And really, they're absolutely right on being supplied fuel by the West. You know, and I know, that the West would cut them off in a second, and even if it didn't cut them off would constantly be using the threat of cutting them off as blackmail.

That said, I wouldn't be surprised in the least if they want nukes and are working to get them. It's rational behaviour for them to do so.

Ian Welsh September 25, 2007 - 10:23pm

... have pushed them into that position. As you say, they live in a dangerous neighborhood. If Iran was producing convention war machines thoughts would turn to and say that Iran means to use them. Having a huge hammer but little capability to engage is smaller regional conflicts suggests to me a defensive posture, not an aggressive one.

Iran deciding to keep the strongest hand for itself is hardly surprising.

Not meant for you personally JPD, but these are my thought presently given my limited knowledge.

The US is very glad to partner up with Iran (in secret of course, can't drop that cudgel) when it suits our needs, such as in Afghanistan or when needing to fund illegal death squads in SAmerica.

Aside from the hand wringing about a nuclear weaponized Iran, isn't in everyone's interest, on different levels, to have Iran obtain nuclear energy? Just touching on the obvious, it seems the Saudi's and Americans could breath easier knowing the strain on Iranian oil consumption would be reduced. Iran is gonna grow. And they could be doing it without burning more fossil fuels and straining tight markets.

If Iran is going to eventually obtain nuclear capability anyway, and most agree that they will, would not the smarter thing be to move towards a more amicable relationship that continues IAEA presence rather than hostile one that is sure to force them out of the country?

Reap what you sow serves as a warning here, I think.

The whole situation is fraught with irony. Ahmadinejad comes to the US and is beset by some pretty disrespectful treatment considering he is a head of state. He handled himself with class through all of it. Bush, who classifies Iran as a terror sponsoring State doesn't arrest the guy when he comes ashore, this leader of worldwide terror, despite the claims of Iranian weapons killing our own GI's in Iraq. In fact, Bush smirks and takes a conciliatory view of Ahmadinejad's visit. So which is it? Is Ahmadinejad a murdering, terror sponsoring thug, or not?

As for Ahmadinejad's rhetoric, I put less credence to it than I do to our own. Both are meant for domestic consumption on a narrow scale meant for the fundy hardliners. We both have 'em, and both Preznits cater to them for political reasons.

Iran has yet to initiate any war, anywhere, and as far as I can tell is unlikely to.

ww September 25, 2007 - 8:45am

Iranians Condemn US Reception of Leader

Tuesday September 25, 2007 4:31 PM

By NASSER KARIMI

Associated Press Writer

TEHRAN, Iran (AP) - Iranians on Tuesday called the combative introduction of President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad by the head of Columbia University ``shameful'' and said the harsh words only added to their image of the United States as a bully.

In a region where the tradition of hospitality outweighs personal opinions about people, many here thought Columbia University President Lee Bollinger's aggressive tone - including telling Ahmadinejad that he exhibited the signs of a ``petty and cruel dictator'' - was over the top.

``The surprising point of the last night meeting is the behavior of the university president,'' state-run radio reported, describing Bollinger's introduction as ``full of insult, which was mostly Zionists' propaganda against Iran.''

The chancellors of seven Iranian universities issued a letter on Tuesday to Bollinger saying his statements were ``deeply shameful'' and invited him to Iran.

In the letter, they asked him to respond to 10 questions ranging from: ``Why did the U.S. support the bloodthirsty dictator Saddam Hussein during the 1980-88 Iraqi-imposed war on Iran?'' to ``Why has the U.S. military failed to find al-Qaida leader Osama bin Laden even with all its advanced equipment?''

more

Tina September 25, 2007 - 10:59am

for a head of state.

I suppose it's fair enough though; the rest of the world has hardly been silent about Bush and Cheney. If they didn't have the muscle to stage-manage virtually every encounter with the public, both at home and abroad, they'd have been in for similar.


"The best-informed man is not necessarily the wisest. Indeed there is a danger that precisely in the multiplicity of his knowledge he will lose sight of what is essential."

- Dietrich Bonhoeffer

Escher Sketch September 25, 2007 - 11:17am

damn pathetic. The US had Kruschev over, a man with the ability to wipe the US off the face of the map, and was far far more polite.

He isn't even that important in Iran, that's the funny thing.

Ian Welsh September 25, 2007 - 10:24pm

At least he wasn't important, before US boorishness boosted his popularity at home.

Shaula Evans September 25, 2007 - 11:45pm

Is it prudent for Americans to accuse another country's head of state of exhibiting the signs of a "petty and cruel dictator?"

. . .

Also, state and city lawmakers say they are considering withholding public funds from the Columbia to protest its decision to invite Ahmadinejad to campus.

Shaula Evans September 25, 2007 - 11:21am

The defensive benefits of nuclear energy is tremendous. International appearances-wise, for example, the US cannot bomb nuclear power plants as they could coal plants, given the international consequences of the airborne radiation.

More than that, nuclear energy gives Iran a place of leverage that much further away from Nigeria's export oil import gasoline system. Iran can more easily save oil for later, and for domestic industrial consumption, thereby taking many barrels of oil off the market.

In comparison to iraq, I'm reasonably sure that one of the *main* reason Iraq has been treated the way it has since the Iraq-Iran War was that it has been more successful at industrializing than other arab states...

shah8 September 25, 2007 - 1:15pm

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