When All They Understand Is Fear or Force


Mr Reid do your job

It's been a sad, sad spectacle to watch Republicans beating Democrats bloody in Congress - in both the House and the Senate, but most especially in the Senate. In the last two months Congressional approval numbers have dropped from from 48% amongst Democrats to 27% and almost no bills have been passed. The most significant bill to pass was the supplemental, which by itself caused a 10% drop in Democrats ratings in a single week - a huge down draft.

Democratic leaders continue to talk about how they want to govern, while Republicans continue to let nothing pass if they can avoid it. The continued talk of "making Congress work for Americans" is simply a pathetic wish for a world that no longer exists, a world in which both parties put aside partisan rancor for the best of the country; a world in which comity doesn't mean "date rape"; a world in which Republicans are good faith actors.

Republicans, as Krugman has observed, are a revolutionary power. They do not accept the legitimacy of the bipartisan non-parliamentary form of government that ruled the US for most of the post-war period. They do not accept that all three branches of government are co-equal. They do not believe that everyone has to obey the law. They are in Washington to get what they want, and if they can't get it they will bring the entire machine to a shreeking halt.

The Republicans in general, and the Bush administration in particular really have only strategy - they always, always, give the other side nothing of any significance. They never cooperate, they never admit a lie, they never back down unless forced to do so. They understand only the most primal of motivations - fear and force. If you can't force them to do something; if you can't make them fear the consequences of not doing something, they won't do it.

More After the Jump

This is a very powerful strategy. You've probably observed it in your life when you've seen a customer in a store scream until someone gives them what they want (or calls the cops). You've seen it from people in power - from cops who will beat you bloody because they know they can get away with it and know if you fight back, you're screwed. In schools kids will use it with teachers, knowing that the teachers aren't allowed to use force anymore. Just do whatever you want - what's the teacher going to do? In business just lock your employees in the store (Wal-mart) or just dock wages whether it's legal or not. What are they going to do?

The idea is to find a strategy which you can pursue unilaterally - where there is a benefit for you and where the cost to the other side to resist is more than they're willing to bear. It's an excellent strategy in pure terms of benefits - when it works.

There's an example of where it hasn't worked for Republicans. That example isn't in America, where it almost always has worked, but in Iraq. The insurgency is a problem where just saying "we won't negotiate and we're going to run your country" didn't work. Insurgents said "we can bear the costs of making this strategy not work for you, longer than you can and we're willing to do so. We will take 3 times your losses in order to win in the end. The cost does not matter to us. The key here is that what worked in Iraq against Republicans was essentially thier own strategy. When dealing with bad actors of this sort, the only reply to them is to use their own tactics - and to kick it up a notch.

The strategy breaks down the same way playing a game of chicken does. It breaks down when someone else is crazier or tougher than you are.

This is how you deal with bullies and thugs - you break them. There is no other way - you can't "reason" with them. They are not 9 year olds who need a "time out" or whom you can sit down with and say "that's not nice". They are adults who respond only to force and to fear - who obey only when broken.

It's also a problem of limited-timeframe rationality - which is to say, on each fight, Democrats decide "well, this fight isn't worth it, the benefits of fighting like hell are outweighed by the pain and the cost. So we won't do it." Do that every fight, or almost all (Social Security being a rare exception) and pretty soon you've got a long term pattern.

What you have to do is "get crazy" and decide you don't care what the cost is, you're going to make every fight one that hurts them as much as you can, no matter how much it hurts you. What you have to do is make examples of people - pick targets and destroy them utterly.

This sort of "craziness" is actually very rational - but it's the sort of rationality that the "reasonable adults" in the Democratic party, who want to make things work, who value comity and politeness for thier own sakes, suck at.

Let's give a couple current examples. The first deals with the problem of enforcing subpoenas. The Justice department has made clear it won't enforce Congressional subpoenas if the administration claims executive privilege. The response should be to invoke "inherent contempt" and to do it against someone prominent. My choice would be Gonzales. From Wikipedia:

Under this process, the procedure for holding a person in contempt involves only the chamber concerned. Following a contempt citation, the person cited for contempt is arrested by the Sergeant-at-Arms for the House or Senate, brought to the floor of the chamber, held to answer charges by the presiding officer, and then subject to punishment that the House may dictate (usually imprisonment for punishment reasons, imprisonment for coercive effect, or release from the contempt citation.)

Concerned with the time-consuming nature of a contempt proceeding and the inability to extend punishment further than the session of the Congress concerned (under Supreme Court rulings), Congress created a statutory process in 1857. While Congress retains its "inherent contempt" authority and may exercise it at any time, this inherent contempt process was last used by the Senate in 1934, against a U.S. Postmaster]. After a one-week trial on the Senate floor (presided by the Vice-President of the United States, acting as Senate President), a former Postmaster, McCracken (The Postmaster-General was[ Jim Farley)][1] was found guilty and sentenced to 10 days imprisonment.

The Postmaster had filed a petition of Habeas Corpus in federal courts to overturn his arrest, but after litigation, the US Supreme Court ruled that Congress had acted constitutionally, and denied the petition in the case Jurney v. MacCracken, 294 U.S. 125 (1935). [2]

The advantage of inherent contempt is that it's something Congress can do without ever refering to the Justice Department. There is no counter-move except to attempt to get the Supreme Court to overthrow it. And Kennedy (the only Justice whose opinion is in question) might well not side with the other right wing justices on it.

The second example is the "filibuster". In the Senate as it stands right now, if there aren't 60 votes, a bill is "considered" filibustered. But that's a nicety - it's a kindness so that Senators don't have to get out the diapers and the phone books and actually stay on the floor 24/7. What the Republicans have been doing is "filibustering" everything, then turning around and claiming that Democrats are the "do nothing Congress". The response is to make it clear who's holding everything up.

Make them physically filibuster. Choose a very popular bill (say drug reimportation from Canada), put it up straight with nothing else attached, and make them go 24/7. The news cycle will be dominated by the filibuster. Nobody will be talking about anything else but how Republicans are filibustering to make old people pay more for drugs (or whatever other "mom and apple pie" issue you choose.) I would personally put film in the can of old folks talking about how they have to eat dog food to pay for their meds, and start running ads which juxtapose "Old folk in horrible distress" then ask "And what does Senator McCain think of this" and show 15 seconds of him reading from a phone book. Note that you get ready to do ad buys not just because it hammers the message home, but because you know that media coverage may be unfavorable to you and you are prepared to get around the filter - you are not putting yourself at the mercy of other actors - including actors in the media.

There are two ways to deal with bad faith actors; to dealing with people who understand only force. One is to decide you're willing to let them have what they want because you won't pay the cost of opposing them. If they say "I'm going to hit you if you don't give me your wallet" you can say "ok". The second is to escalate. In the words of the Untouchables - if they bring a knife, you bring a gun; if they put one of yours in the hospital, you put one of theirs in the morgue. When people understand only force, you must respond with maximum force. Anything else is taken as weakness and they will walk all over you.

Republicans walk all over Democrats because they can - because they know Democrats, at the end of the day, will fold nine times out of ten. It's a good odds play. If Democrats want it to stop, they need to make the cost unbearable. Civility will return only when the costs of what amount to political violence have become to great for both sides to bear.

Slap Gonzales in jail. Make Republican Senators personally spend days or weeks doing nothing but filibuster popular bill after popular bill. Make them stay on the floor, in their diapers, with artificial bladders attached, until they can't take it any more.

And if you do all this, Americans will see that

  • Democrats are strong. (Strength isn't about how tough you talk on killing terrorists. It's about what you do personally. Strength is what strength does.)
  • that Republicans are causing Congressional slowdowns and making it so Congress doesn't work to pass bills most Americans favor.
  • That if Americans want Congress to work, Democrats need a filibuster proof majority in the Senate and a working majority in the House.

When someone's bargain strategy is "or else", you can either back down or step up.

It's time for Democrats to step up.


Ian Welsh July 16, 2007 - 6:58am
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Gather around the totem pole, kiddies....

-t

dasht July 16, 2007 - 1:27am

The only way to deal with a bully is to hit him over the head with a handful of books...from behind. After he wakes up, you say, "Hey, are you okay?" Then kick them in the face. Hard. Then in the ribs. Break a couple. Then tell him he needs to leave town.

I'm not telling Democrats they need to do this. A baseball bat will do if you're not too good at kicking. And Republicans don't need to leave town. They need to leave our fucking country, and never come back.

I am somewhat upset by their recent behavior.

"Death before being dishonored any more." - Col. Ted Westhusing

Jimbo92107 July 16, 2007 - 4:10am

the Democrats actually voting to defund the Iraq War; and when the President vetoes it, sending him the same bill.

That is what Edwards has publicly urged. And it does not involve much strategy. You don't have to choose the issue, hire adwriters, anything.

Just do what you were elected to do. Stop the war.

mmeo July 16, 2007 - 9:45am

You post says: This is how you deal with bullies and thugs - you break them. There is no other way - you can't "reason" with them. They are not 9 year olds who need a "time out" or whom you can sit down with and say "that's not nice". They are adults who respond only to force and to fear - who obey only when broken.

This is exactly what Bush said about Iraq. People will resist as long as their needs are not being met. I don't think we want to behave like our adversaries, but to understand them, what they REALLY WANT, and then find a way to help them and ourselves.

Demonizing all republicans sounds like a Cheney tactic. These tactics move people further apart, not closer together. I'm not saying the demos have found a good strategy yet, but acting like the otherside will not help in the long run.

Lucy July 16, 2007 - 11:47am

This part:

They understand only the most primal of motivations - fear and force. If you can't force them to do something; if you can't make them fear the consequences of not doing something, they won't do it.

sounds exactly like the Cheney camp talking about Iran.

And Ian's essay has inspired Jimbo in a comment above to advocate violence. Whether part joking or not, that comment is very much sending out a very hawkish, ruled by emotions, "us against them" view of the world. This is, of course, how many immature people react to calls like Ian's to "the barricades." It's why the supply of cannon fodder is always there for demagogues.

Niki July 16, 2007 - 1:14pm

Cheney and his buddies are the ones with all the military muscle and power behind them while Iran has practically nothing to defend itself--with the exception of turning off the oil spigot and maybe inciting Hamas. But that doesn't physically stop bombs from dropping. Cheney is in a position of power, Iran is in a position of weakness. Cheney is the bully.

Ian and other commenters here are talking about libs and Dems fighting back against Republican bullies. The Reps have been in a position of power for some time and have a well-established history of ignoring and/or beating on the Dems at almost every turn. The Reps are the bullies with the power and the will to use it, the Dems/libs are the victims who have relatively little power and have been ineffectively defending themselves over the past decade.

Ian is saying that its time to stop the bullies from running the school. Cheney is saying its time to administer a huge swirlee to Iran. Big difference. Context, context, context.

Bolo July 16, 2007 - 3:41pm

No. We were bullying Iraq. We were the ones who were enforcing stifling sanctions on the whole country and bleeding its people dry. We were enforcing a no fly zone and sometimes dropping bombs in the country. We were the ones who fabricated intelligence about WMDs and used it as a pretext to invade and occupy the country.

Bush's words directed towards Iraq may sound similar to the ones Ian is using, but he was in the position of a bully justifying to his friends what he was about to do. Ian is speaking from the perspective of a group of people who have been bullied by Bush, etc. for years. He is urging them to fight back, because otherwise they'll keep getting thier noses broken and lunch money stolen. And the most effective way to fight a bully is to make it painful for him to continue beating on you. Once the beatings stop, its possible to try talking to him.

Bolo July 16, 2007 - 3:46pm

I used to teach a women's karate sparring class. In our culture women aren't typically taught to fight. As such, at least in the class that I was teaching, providing a frame of reference for their thoughts was a useful thing. One of the analogies that I used to use was based upon the question, "Why do 'small' countries exist?". It's not because large countries like the U.S. or former Soviet Union couldn't run over them (i.e. Afghanistan), it's that the smaller countries, by whatever means, typically made the cost not worth it (i.e. Afghanistan :). One of their tasks was to, in those circumstances where it was required, establish a "mean enough" attitude to make themselves make it "not worth it" for there adversaries.

Once respect has been established, as Bolo noted, conversation and reason might be able to take hold. Until respect occurs, there's very little opportunity.

It's a sad statement that "fear and force" are often required to, at least, initially provide a basis for respect. But sad or not, this is often the reality. And, aren't we supposed to be the reality-based community? Or it that only when reality isn't too unpleasant for our palates?

Eric Gen July 16, 2007 - 4:21pm

Just keep hammering the Republicans with facts that refute their false propaganda.

These cretins have been in charge of passing legislation for a donkey's age, and it's going to take time to get 'reasonable' laws that counter the ridiculous measures they have in place. Stuff like the Patriot Act will be rolled back, not today, not tomorrow, but rights like Habeas corpus will be restored. It has taken this administration more than four years to tear down the Constitution, it will take probably in excess of four to undo the damage they have done.

You don't win battles with bullies by adopting their strategy...Democrats need to be assertive, but they should not adopt the same tactics because they become what they oppose. In long term relationships, people fight fairly and do not go for the jugular. Violent reactions are not for adults who have the patience to see there is a better way. Only children arm themselves with baseball bats to beat their foes with...older children walk away, adults sit down and get to the root of problems. There always are a minimum of two sides to every conflict.

Perhaps Democrats need to look at Conflict Resolution techniques to find answers to the dilemma.

canuck July 16, 2007 - 1:22pm

I beg to differ; in my experience that is, in fact, more or less precisely how you win.

Three times in my school years I was tormented by bullies (and at three different schools). Three times I tried ignoring it, tried reasoning, tried the verbal approach. Three times it failed.

I endured days, or weeks, of the petty agonies and humiliations of being tripped on the stairs, suckerpunched in the hall, rabbitpunched at the water fountain, struck in the back of the head with heavy textbooks at my locker.

In each case, what stopped it - fully, definitively, finally - was that I snapped and flew at them.

And you know what? In each case they were bigger, older and stronger than me and I lost each time. Three times I got beaten into the ground, one time badly enough that they permanently damaged a nerve in my cheek.

But I did my damnedest to put a hurt on them that would jog their memory when they looked at me.

And whaddya know - in each case the bullying stopped instantly and never recurrred and the bullies crossed the hall to avoid me and wouldn't look me in the eye.

The quicker one grasps the implications of this elementary equation, which is rooted in primal absolutes of human nature, the better. Humans tend to learn best those lessons that cost them pain.

Escher Sketch July 16, 2007 - 2:53pm

Or, as Wally Jay, an old jujutsu instructor said at a seminar back in the 80's, don't just waste your time flailing away in a situation or trying to decide how best to respond, "put pains where pain goes!".

Eric Gen July 16, 2007 - 3:03pm

My personal experience dealing with bullies is that making it "not worth it" is the only way it stops. My experience was very similiar to Escher Sketch's. I decided "I don't care how much this is going to hurt me, as long as I hurt you" and the bullying stopped after only two occasions.

The ability learned from that on how to switch off the "consequences" button in my head has actually been very useful to me and has saved me from a number of bad situations. People rarely want to mess with someone who appears to really not care. (There are a few who will and some judgement is still required.)

Ian Welsh July 16, 2007 - 5:14pm

Pick out the biggest among them, hit as hard as you can and break his nose. We weren't best of buddies after that, as in classic tales of the sort. But a few months later he came up to me and said nobody had ever done that before. To him it meant respect. He was still a doofus, but he never bothered me again.

"As matters stand now, a private who loses a rifle suffers far greater consequences than a general who loses a war."
--Lieutenant Colonel Paul Yingling, United States Army

ww July 16, 2007 - 5:44pm

I think many of you are missing Ian's point, or you find it distasteful, which I believe is also his point. This is a fight. It is not a debate. There's an old fighting adage, "It's not who's right in a fight, it's who's left!". I think that's his point.

This isn't a debate between intellectual equals by Robert's Rules of Order. This would normally be a late-night alley-way mugging, except that the Democrats have become such easy, predictable marks, why bother to wait. The Republicans now feel safe enough to mug them in broad daylight on national TV. In fact, doing that is part of the mugging itself. It makes tomorrows mark that much easier to take down.

Liberals often have difficulty deciding to fight. It offends our sense of values and fairplay. Somebody mugging you doesn't really care about your values. And, if they have any sense of fairplay, they think that it's unfair that we have something that they want. This isn't about platitudes. It's about survival.

Eric Gen July 16, 2007 - 2:30pm

This is an excellent post. I enjoyed it when I first read it at Firedoglake. If it gets beyond the left blogs you'll likely be branded as part of the crazy left or a terrorist. But you're right in that Republicans are fighting and have been fighting against American democracy at least since Nixon and definitely in a coordinated manner since Reagan. The only way to counter that is to fight back. Civility and bipartisanship, as the right as stated and lived by, are "date rape."

This is a fight to save America - to keep it from returning to the feudal society of the "old south" which is still glorified to this day. Does anyone believe that the amendments to the constitution that were instituted just after the Civil War could be passed today? The Republicans would be in full force to prevent it, as they are in full force to prevent any progressive measures today. Republicans tell us that we are fighting the next world war to save America, but we can't raise taxes to fight that war and we can't have a draft to defend America. That's the Republican line and they can only get away with it because they have a whoring news industry to moan for them.

Gotta stop. I'm writing my own rant now and this thread is about your insights.

Amos Anan July 16, 2007 - 2:47pm

Hi Amos! Good to see another old Bopster!

Funny to see how different some of our attitudes are with this. I guess Ian, Stirling, and Old Man (and others) rubbed off on us or at least gave us a venue for some of our feelings.

Eric Gen July 16, 2007 - 2:57pm

Hi Eric,

Not sure what happened to Stirling. He was at TPM's Cafe when he had some 'debate' with Sawicki and stopped posting around then. Sawicki has a Norman Mailer quality, or at least an attempt at one, in trying to appear to be a blunt 'tell it like it is' guy. Sometimes you've got to point out the pose as Gore Vidal did with Mailer when physically threatened or more aptly as Orson Welles did with that asshole Robert Blake when Blake, coming on some late night talk show, looked at the seated Welles and said "Boy are you fat!" Welles, looking supremely bored, responded with a comparable childhood phrase, "I'm fat and you're ugly. At least I can diet."

Amos Anan July 16, 2007 - 3:37pm

Ian made a comment awhile back that Stirling was working on some other projects and was just taking a break from posting for a bit to focus on them. But, that he'd be back. I sure hope so!

Eric Gen July 16, 2007 - 3:50pm

Stirling's working on other stuff.

He no longer writes for TPM, to the best of my knowledge. The two most likely places to see him if he starts writing again, as best I know, would be here or, possibly, FDL (not so sure about FDL, but he has guested there at times.)

Ian Welsh July 16, 2007 - 5:17pm

PrairieStateBlue

That's what childcare specialists nowadays use instead of punishment. Obviously Ian is not imagining that there will be a knife and gun fight breaking out in the Senate or House any time soon. So when he says force is the only thing that bullies respect, for the Senate that means whatever rules are available should be used fully and effectively. That is in fact what they are there for. They are the logical and natural consequences for misconduct.

Using the rhetoric of force and power will not make us like the right who only understand that form of communication. We use it all the time with our children and we do not become like bullies. A parent can use a time-out against a nine year old because the parent has real power that the nine year old cannot win against.

When a military academy wanted to share space in a local high-school many anti-war supporters were against it. But if we are to prevent another civil war in this country, it behooves us to have northern-urban officers at the top ranks to balance out the rural southern officers. One of the biggest brakes on war with Iran right now is the serious resistance coming out of the military's top ranks. It may not be enough to stop some military madness against Iran, but it would likely be enough to prevent a Cheney-Bush coup d'état when their term runs out.

Jeff Wegerson July 16, 2007 - 4:40pm

- EOM

Escher Sketch July 16, 2007 - 4:42pm

Yeah, elite northern universities not allowing ROTC is beyond stupid, it's suicidal.

Ian Welsh July 16, 2007 - 5:18pm

Democrats never to my knowledge result in physicality unlike schoolyard fights. Had my share of fights as a child and one day got so fed up that I took off my shoe and hit a bully with it that had been bothering me. He was much bigger, older, and physically stronger than myself.

I believe America is getting sick and tired of the psychological games that their representatives are playing in Congress. The mightiest sword to use against Republicans is the vote and that's how America will return to its liberal roots.

Leave the polarizing, extremely, divisive rhetoric to right-wing talk show hosts like Limbaugh, et al, who are boring.

Jeff Wegerson...totally agree. Use all 'legal' measures as a counterbalance.

canuck July 16, 2007 - 4:44pm

As Jeff pointed out, I ain't talking about jumping across the aisle and punching out the Republican Senator you hate most, much as that might be enjoyable. I'm talking about fighting by using the most extreme measures allowed by law and Congressional rules.

Ian Welsh July 16, 2007 - 5:20pm

Am rather partial to, "Don't get angry, get even!"

canuck July 16, 2007 - 5:25pm

requires finess.
As a foreign male trying to grow up in the late 50's and early 60's in Canada I was constantly assailed because of my name. Kim. (I use kimmy as my name because my wife of 34+ years has called me that for all these years.)
I went to a new school in Kitchener in the early 60's. The school bully confronted me about my name. He said it was a girls name. I answered "that my parents wanted a girl".
I smiled and I walked away.
He became my friend and he protected me from then on.
You don't have to fight. You don't have to argue.
You just have to have a sense of humour and a lot of tact.
Laugh at yourself to disarm your enemies and go from there.
I laughed at myself before he could and he had no recource.

repressive governments mix administrative clumsiness & inefficiency with authoritarian tendencies.

kimmy July 16, 2007 - 6:42pm

He was a Canadian bully.

Gordon July 16, 2007 - 7:05pm

It's true that not all bullies are alike. As Ian said, use judgment. But never take punching him square in the nose off the table. :P

Non-violent solutions are preferred, no doubt. I've talked my way out situations more than fought my way out, that's for sure.

ww July 16, 2007 - 7:17pm

Yea, I've found that the more I've had the ability to deal with a situation, or at least have a chance and options, the easier it is to deal with things in a humorous manner, if possible, or to just deflect and talk my way past it.

But again, this came from a personal confidence of at least having options. I suspect that it was that ease and lack of alarm that has gotten me out of things, and that the humor and deflection were just the tools that it was implemented with.

The key to all of this is respect, and step one is to respect yourself. Not cockiness or false bravado, but respect. I don't think that, in general, the Democrats have a large amount of self-respect. I also don't think the Republicans have a lot of self-respect, at least in my preferred form, but they do have enough that, when buttressed by their cockiness and false bravado, and enabled by the over-willingness to fold Democratic Congress, to act like bullies and accomplish many of their objectives.

Personally, I hope Harry Reid's actions today are a little of his boxer's heart coming to the surface, and that, quoting from a frind of mine's Oklahoman Native American father who grew up, and also died, in a rougher time, "Sometimes you have to take a beating to give one!". Maybe pushing the reality of the filibuster will mean taking that beating a few times. But it's more likely to bring things to a head, at least in a manner that I'm interested in, than rolling over and hoping that the Republicans come to their senses.

Eric Gen July 16, 2007 - 9:14pm

Runs away from another encounter.
Basic self defence.
If you can talk your way out of a conflict. It is worth it.
Bush want's to talk his way into a conflict.
Someone has to stop him!

repressive governments mix administrative clumsiness & inefficiency with authoritarian tendencies.

kimmy July 16, 2007 - 7:59pm

while "bullies in the schoolyard" is an accurate reflection of the republicans group think over the last decade, it doesn't really capture their true status. they aren't just bullies; they are criminals, literally. When a society is confronted by criminals, there is no real choice. To thrive or survive, society needs to stop the crimes. In addition, these aren't just regular crimes but rather "high crimes and misdemeanors" that are serious enough to possibly break the Constitution. If reason doesn't work, and I believe, Americans (and the world) have tried reason many times with this administration and it's Republican enablers, then what is left? If you don't fight at some point, you let the criminals win and the rest of society/the world suffers at the hands of criminals in charge.

rogerh July 17, 2007 - 11:36am

Ian. seriously, great post!

rogerh July 17, 2007 - 11:38am

Awesome post, Ian. This is what I have been wanting to hear.

Truth does not do as much good in the world as the semblance of truth does evil.

Aaron Dellutri October 11, 2007 - 5:23pm

should I say more or let you reflect a minute?
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I'll be brief, the Dems are as much of as problem as the Repubs. There is no twisting their arms to get them to stand up against the republicans, they both have the same paymasters. election finance reform would be nice, but it ain't gonna happen either.
but keep working on it, you'll get all of us there. I got faith in you

dk October 11, 2007 - 9:46pm

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