Torture only under dire circumstances?


Cliff's upset at Bill Nelson's betrayal on this vote...

The committee rejected by one vote a Democratic proposal that would essentially have cut money for the program by banning harsh interrogation techniques except in dire emergencies, a committee report revealed....

...In a closed session on May 23, two Democrats, Senators Sheldon Whitehouse of Rhode Island and Dianne Feinstein of California, proposed barring spending on interrogation techniques that go beyond the Army Field Manual, which bans physical pressure or pain.

Under their proposal, the only exception would have been when the president determined “that an individual has information about a specific and imminent threat.”

The amendment failed when Senator Bill Nelson, Democrat of Florida, joined all the Republicans in voting no.

What I find more despicable is that even Senators against torture leave any exceptions, let alone a loophole that you know Bush would drive a truck through, because he'd just determine that for whole classes of people. I mean, who know, someone in Guantanmo for the last 4 years might know information about someone else who's planning an attack? Anyone not able to imagine Tony Snow saying something along those lines?


Ian Welsh June 1, 2007 - 1:39am
( categories: Human Rights )

...works only when it convincingly appears the bad cop will break all rules, regulations and laws and go pyscho on your ass. So, under immediate threat of being left alone with a lunatic, you cooperate with the good cop. Now if the bad cop is just following the rules and regulations, well, it's kind of like the scene in Starsky & Hutch where Owen Wilson tries to play "bad cop". Except not as funny.

Gordon June 1, 2007 - 9:47am

but there's ample and growing evidence that apparently you end up being waterboarded, sleep deprived, pissed upon and used for a human ashtray anyway - good cops notwithstanding.

Chickadee June 1, 2007 - 2:45pm

We've got Rudy Guliani and Bernie Kerik, so we don't do the good cop thing. But you've got Colin Mochrie and Ryan Stiles. Mix and match - problem solved!

Actually, I was partially trying to make a serious point. That's that even if you believe that torture might in some extreme circumstance get you the information you need (which I don't), making it legal would undermine any effectiveness it might have. The bad cop is effective because the good cop is holding him back.

Gordon June 1, 2007 - 3:17pm

If you can pick up BBC World on your cable, there's still time to catch this week's Doha Debate "'This House believes that torture is only acceptable under legal supervision" this afternoon. (Check local listings.)

If you're not familiar with this outstanding series, find out more HERE.

Chickadee June 3, 2007 - 2:52pm

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