Nancy Pelosi: No Open Checkbook for the Iraq Escalation


Via Think Progress:

SCHIEFFER: So, you’ve told him what you don’t want to do, and that is to expand the size of the force in Iraq even on a short-term basis. But what if he decides to do that? What will be your action then?

PELOSI: If the president chooses to escalate the war, in his budget request we want to see a distinction between what is there to support the troops who are there now. The American people and the Congress support those troops. We will not abandon them.

But if the president wants to add to this mission, he is going to have to justify it. And this is new for him because up until now the Republican Congress has given him a blank check with no oversight, no standards, no conditions. And we’ve gone into this situation, which is a war without end, which the American people have rejected.

SCHIEFFER: Now, let me ask you, and make sure I understand exactly what you are saying because, up until now, Democrats have not been enthusiastic about using the ultimate weapon, and that is to cut off funding.

PELOSI: We won’t do that.

SCHIEFFER: But you will not vote any more money to expand the size of the force there?

Is that what you’re telling us?

PELOSI: I’m saying two things. We will always support the troops who are there. If the president wants to expand the mission, that’s a conversation he has to have with the Congress of the United States.

But that’s not a carte blanche, a blank check to him to do whatever he wishes there.

And I want to make a distinction here. Democrats do support increasing the size of the Army by 30,000, the Marines by 10,000 to make sure we’re able to protect the American people.

SCHIEFFER: Enlarging the services overall?

PELOSI: Overall, in order to protect the American people against any threats to our interests, wherever they may occur. That’s different, though, from adding troops to Iraq.

The president wants to escalate a war where his generals are telling him that the additional troops will not be effective, that they’re easily digestible, to have this number of troops go into Baghdad, and then again, ignoring the strong message of the American people.

SCHIEFFER: So at this point, the Democrats in Congress are not prepared to pay for or to fund an additional number of troops in Iraq?

PELOSI: We have to see what the president has to say. It’s not an open-ended commitment anymore. But we will always be there to protect our troops and to support our troops.

Good news, we'll see if she can do it. Strictly speaking the President, thanks to the enabling act, has the authority to just grab the money from any department's budget if he wants to. Congress, of course, can try to repeal that - which Bush can veto unless a lot of Republicans cross over (many are unhappy, but I doubt that many. Still it's possible. Republicans want this war over before the 2008 elections). But if Bush is really determined odds are he can't be stopped short of impeachment. Congress has already given away too much power to him and he has taken even more.

Gonna be interesting.


Ian Welsh January 7, 2007 - 12:33pm

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Newly elected Rep. Nancy Boyda (D-Kan.) almost certainly has the wrong idea. Asked if she could support a troop escalation, Boyda characterized it as a fait accompli for the entire legislative branch of government. Bush, she said, “is the commander in chief…. We don’t get that choice. Congress doesn’t make that decision.”
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That, of course, is entirely wrong, but it does touch on a certain uncomfortable reality: the Dems’ options are somewhat limited.
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The most common proposal — having Congress de-fund the war — is problematic. For one thing, Nancy Pelosi (hardly a war supporter) has said the option is off the table. For another, as Barney Frank explained during an interview with Keith Olbermann on Wednesday, the administration would work around it.
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OLBERMANN: Are you fearful that if you were to cut the money off, if you were to actually refuse to bankroll it, as a Congress, that the money would be spent, there’d still be money spent to send them there, without protecting them, or…

FRANK: Well, that’s the problem. It could be spent. The fact is that the Pentagon budget could–other money could be taken from other purposes and spend it. You couldn’t do it just by voting no money. You would have to say–you’d have to pass something that said, None of the [money] that we’re voting can be used for this. But it’s too late for that. We’ve already voted for the defense budget for the year….
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He already has hundreds of billions of dollars legally in his possession to spend. So there is, in fact, no way, I think, to cut off the money, unless we were to pass a law and he would veto it. So we are frustrated in that extent.

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Tina January 7, 2007 - 12:47pm

Bush will just veto the changes, right?

quiet Bill January 7, 2007 - 1:00pm

Ayup. Bad place to be in. The only way to stop Bush is the same way Nixon was stopped - first get rid of his VP and replace him with someone you can stand, second have a heart to heart "Mr. President, we have the votes not just to impeach you, but to convict you. Up to you."

If Congress goes that route it won't happen overnight - it'll build up as confrontations occur time and time again. Real investigations will find crime after crime after crime and while Bush and Cheney can ignore Congressional subpoenas there are a lot of people who can't, indeed there are a lot of people who won't want to.

Ian Welsh January 7, 2007 - 1:08pm

Attach a sidecar to some essential and veto-proof legislation that explicitly provokes a crisis - or self-destructs - if a signing statement is used to modify it.

Perhaps the sidecar to that legislation would be a section that's about signing statements themselves, with the body of the bill itself containing a provision that the entire bill it is attached to is null and void if modified with a signing statement. Go "meta" on their ass.

Sure, he can ignore it - but in other words, if you know a crisis is coming, provoke the crisis yourselves at the time (and on the issue) of your own choosing instead of passively waiting for it to arrive.

I'm not a lawyer and I haven't spent a lot of time reasoning it through fully - but I'd bet a very discreet huddle putting some highly experienced legislators with some clever and creative Constitutional lawyers would raise some devilish possibilites. And there are certainly those in the GOP that would support this.

Escher Sketch January 7, 2007 - 10:03pm

Yeah, I've been thinking a bill that forbade signing statements is needed.

Give him his surge money, and attach it to that. Watch his head explode.

Ian Welsh January 8, 2007 - 1:18pm

It would be worth it just for that image.

Knowing the crisis is coming anyway, this seems the only smart way to manage it. If the plane's nearly out of fuel and you're way short of an airstrip, smart pilots acknowledge reality, cut their losses and ditch it in as safe a location they can find before the last gasp of fuel trickles through and the engine cuts out. Far better to crash-land it on your own terms in terrain that favors you than to take your chances on whatever strategic situation that last gasp of fuel finds you in.

Escher Sketch January 8, 2007 - 3:25pm

Is the authorization for military force an open ended law?

PR January 7, 2007 - 2:36pm

If Bush were to openly defy an action by Congress to reduce or limit funding for the war, that would amply show how isolated and lawless Bush has become. I think the Congressional Dems. here are working on multiple tracks, one of which is to demonstrate through a variety of mechanisms, including oversight hearings, that Bush must either deliver a credible and complete justification for his desired actions (which he won't, being petulant); or further isolate himself from the ballooning national consensus that favors de-escalation and troop pull-outs. This strategy also puts Rep. Congress members' asses on the line, ie. if they will continue to blindly support whatever Bush says or move toward the consensus position. By steadily turning up the heat, Dems. can say to Repubs. in Congress ... do you really want to run in 2008 on this vote ??? Really ???

Douglas Watts January 7, 2007 - 3:28pm

Pelosi is loathe to speak the words, but we have a president who is a corrupt little nutball, a Nero wannabe. But you can't just say that to a reporter, or it will create a shit-storm of negative publicity. The president simply cannot be called a nutball, even if he really, really is.

Personally, I have to agree with Ian, that Pelosi has to go after Dirty Dick before taking on Bush. It will be difficult, because BushCo has adopted the stance that they are not only above the law ("unitary executive"), but that the president can literally create law at his whim with those incredibly bogus signing statements.

How does Pelosi get around these new and intimidating advantages? I have no idea, but somebody's got to try. Could be that simply confronting them on these grounds is a good start. If BushCo simply stonewalls Congress and goes on its merry ways of warring and pulling new laws out their asses, then Pelosi and company can make them look like what they are: criminal dictators.

If nothing else, it will make it damn hard for the Republicans who enabled these creeps to win the presidency in 2008. Let's hope the nation survives until then.

"Death before being dishonored any more." - Col. Ted Westhusing

Jimbo92107 January 7, 2007 - 3:34pm

So says legal experts Marty Lederman (Georgetown University professor) and Neil Kinkopf (President Clinton’s former constitutional advisor), as well as House Defense Appropriations Chairman Jack Murtha (D-PA). Watch it:

Think Progress

Tina January 9, 2007 - 7:11am

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