Secretary of State Hillary Clinton?


By Hannes Artens

Recent developments prompt me to postpone the third part of my series on President Obama's global agenda until next week in order to instead invite you to speculate with me on what a Secretary of State Hillary Clinton would mean to the US and the world.

I'm dying to learn of your thoughts on this development because I completely fail to understand it, both President-elect Obama offering her the job, and Senator Hillary Clinton possibly accepting it (as of now we don't have a confirmation; the same day, Tuesday, The Guardian and CNN declared her having accepted, The New York Times reported on strong reservations on her side). Both doesn't make any sense to me, is outright illogical as it will sooner than later result in a ruinous competition and constant strife between the White House and Foggy Bottom, a lose-lose situation for Obama, Clinton, and ultimately for us all, who have set such high hopes on this fresh start.

Let me start with spending just a few words on what most journalists occupy themselves with these days: the vetting process or to be more precise, Bill Clinton's business ties proving potential conflicts of interest. Are you kidding me? This woman came within a whisker of becoming president, and now journalists question whether her husband's activities may damage the office of secretary of state? Not to be cynical here, but we're having a vice-president who was the former CEO of Halliburton and left us unclear all these years whether the foreign policy he conducted was for the benefit of the country (whatever that might have been) or for Halliburton to get as many reconstruction deals as possible in countries he ordered to be bombed back into the stone age. Half the current president's father's cabinet and the former president himself are or were special advisors or members of the board of the Carlyle Group. And then you're worried about the peanuts of Bill Clinton's speaking engagements and his $31 million from a Canadian businessman on behalf of the ultra-corrupt government of Kazakhstan?

No, Bill Clinton's post-presidential activities should be of limited concern, the political influence he'd have on his wife ("two for the price of one") the more. Barack Obama seems on the best way to forfeit the mandate of change he's been elected on even before he enters office. Given his appointments so far and the tops on his list for various departments, his presidency already looks more like Clinton III than Obama I - appointing Hillary Clinton Secretary of State would just cast this impression in stone. So much for all of us who hoped this to be the start of something new, something fresh, unjaded, unconventional, a presidency with the ability to think outside the box. Instead of "change we can believe in" it seems we're going to get "the soap opera we all know too well."

If George Bush's presidency will go down in American history as the worst, Bill Clinton's is the greatest missed opportunity. Given the man's unique political talents, the unchallenged supremacy the US enjoyed during the 90s, and the unprecedented era of overall peace he presided over, he achieved very little. Worse, his lack of vision, conservative world-view in economics and IR, and his heeding the wrong advisors (Dennis Ross, Martin Indyk, Madeleine Albright, you name them) are key to many of the problems we're struggling with today.

There's no reason to believe his wife would have different, more progressive convictions. On the contrary, we got quite a nice idea of how she would handle Iran, Syria, and getting concessions from Israel on the campaign trail. Do we really believe her, after being briefed by Dennis Ross, to sit down with Tehran's representatives in unconditional talks - a key commitment Obama made during the campaign, one that, as a matter of fact, would have to be carried out by the secretary of state - after ridiculing him for this "naïve" views, declaring the Revolutionary Guard a terrorist organization, and not ranking behind John McCain in martial rhetoric, and expect anything substantial to come from these talks? As David Harsanyi reminds us, "the prospective appointment [of Hillary] clashes with virtually every pronouncement Obama made regarding foreign policy in the past." Not for nothing The Weekly Standard, for whom she comes second in Democratic hawkishness, they call patriotism, to Joe Lieberman, has endorsed Hillary for secretary of state in a hymn of praise titled "The Great Right Hope." That's exactly the kind of America's face to the world we wished and worked for.

It's not that the Democratic Party would lack talent or able hands to ease the president's workload in order to give most of his attention to the economy, run day-to-day foreign policy and prepare the ground for the president to shine with done and sealed deals. There are worse choices than Bill Richardson, Richard Holbrooke, even John Kerry. Hillary Clinton certainly is one.

No doubt, the great parameters of US foreign policy would still be devised in the White House - for that matter the post of National Security Advisor is of far greater importance. But the secretary of state would have to carry them out, which is made considerably difficult if she doesn't agree with a single precept. "The promise of her being secretary of state," Anne-Marie Slaughter, the dean of the Woodrow Wilson School of Public and International Affairs at Princeton University, explains, "would be to unite those two world [view]s." No, three times no, I say, she would bring them to collision. The result will be Secretary Hillary either being sidelined, her undermining President Obama's prerogative, an endless squabble, or at worst a combination of all the above at times when the world looks for America's positive guidance and expects her to speak with one authoritative voice.

Thomas Friedman asks:

That backing is the most important requirement for a secretary of state to be effective. Frankly, Obama could appoint his dear mother-in-law as secretary of state, and if he let the world know she was his envoy, she would be more effective than any ex-ambassador who had no relationship with the president (...) My question is whether a President Obama and a Secretary of State Clinton, given all that has gone down between them and their staffs, can have that kind of relationship, particularly with Mrs. Clinton always thinking four to eight years ahead, and the possibility that she may run again for the presidency.


My answer is a resounding no. Not only because they don't share the same take on most foreign policy issues (at least that's what we still hope to be the case with Barack Obama), but also because of Hillary Clinton's "big, hungry, needy ego surrounded by a team that's hungrier and needier." Politer than David Ignatius I call it ambition. And that gets me to my central question I want to discuss with you, dear readers: cui bono?

Let's assume Hillary still dreams of running against Barack Obama in 2012 (those thinking of 2016 remind me of the economic wanna-be gurus who today predict the GDP for 2010). And then she thinks Foggy Bottom the perfect launch pad for a presidential bid? She only has a chance if President Obama belly-flops, and then she, as the most powerful member of his cabinet, will have to take part of the blame. Hardly a convincing narrative for a challenge. Ok, then let's assume Hillary's motives are altruistic and she wants to work for the greater common good of the country. By subordinating herself and her husband to Barack Obama's National Security Adviser, and by slavishly implementing what she's ordered to do by the Oval Office? Neither a position with much room for creativity and individual initiative, nor one imaginable given her big, hungry, … er ambitious personality. Whatever her motives, they'd be served better by the role of gray eminence in the Senate, without whose support nothing will get done, and who may even take over from the luck- and colorless Harry Reid.

Now, this might be exactly what Barack Obama wants to prevent from happening, based on the motto "keep your friends close, and your enemies closer." At first sight, such a move would make sense, it would finally pacify and integrate the last rebels of the Hillary-camp, too. Yet only for a very short time. Sooner than later the above detailed differences will emerge and inevitably lead to an irreconcilable breach between the two. If after constant row and endless fights, the president has to sack her, hell will brake lose. At the worst, right before the midterm elections, which the Democratic Party would then enter divided, with a Grand Canyon-sized gulf running through its rank and file.

A gulf that doesn't exist now and wouldn't if Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton were to reach a power sharing deal: he becoming the greatest reformer and she the greatest Senate Majority Leader since LBJ. A power sharing deal I expected them to already have agreed on in August until this week taught me otherwise.

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Hannes Artens is the author of The Writing on the Wall, the first anti-Iran-war novel.


Hannes Artens November 20, 2008 - 4:23am
( categories: Opinion | USA: Presidency )

and the Obama has said nothing. Until official word comes from Obama I think it all speculation. If true however I think Hillary is respected across the globe and would be able to get right to work. Since Obama wants to repair our reputation in the world Hillary is aptly qualified. Although he could give her Karen Hughes old job. LOL Personally I think Hillary would be nuts to take SoS, especially since Kennedy just said he would like her to lead healthcare reform. A bonus for Obama, when everything goes wrong he would have those evil Clinton's to blame....and a whole bunch of media to push it.

Here is the earlier thread.

Tina November 20, 2008 - 4:45am

timing is really interesting tho, does it give both her and Obama an out? The one thing all the SoS talk did was draw fire away from not removing Lieberman and it of course kept Obama's base hopping and excited about something. :)

Tina November 20, 2008 - 5:06am

By all means I'd have agreed with you, Tina, until that came over the wires yesterday:

CHICAGO (AP) - Former President Bill Clinton has offered several concessions to help Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, his wife, become secretary of state, people familiar with President-elect Barack Obama's transition vetting process said Wednesday.

Clinton has agreed to release the names of several major donors to his charitable foundation and will submit future foundation activities and paid speeches to a strict ethics review, said Democrats knowledgeable about the discussions.

They also said that Clinton would step away from day-to-day responsibility for his foundation while his wife serves and would alert the State Department to his speaking schedule and any new sources of income. The Democrats spoke only on grounds of anonymity because of the private nature of the Cabinet-selection process.


Why would he do that, if it all were just media buzz and distraction? But you're right, as long as we don't have her on the record accepting the offer, it's all speculation. On her performance as SoS I beg to differ fundamentally.
Hannes Artens November 20, 2008 - 11:35am

..people familiar with President-elect Barack Obama's transition vetting,..said Democrats knowledgeable about the discussions, The Democrats spoke only on grounds of anonymity..

I don't worry about what Hillary thinks about Iran or really what was said during the primary, Obama promised to support FISA too :) Even Rice said no talks with Iran and had to walk that back. All in all, politics as usual. lol

Tina November 20, 2008 - 2:17pm

You hit the nail on the head, Tina. That's exactly what worries me. Hillary personifies politics as usual. This isn't supposed to be as usual. We can no longer afford as usual. If Obama turns out politics as usual we, on both sides of the pond, are doomed.

Hannes Artens November 20, 2008 - 4:40pm

as VP after a year of tearing Hillary a new asshole over the Iraq authorization I pretty much figured it was going to be politics as usual. That said I still 'hope' for the best and do think he will fix and reverse some of Bush's screw ups and grabs at power. No matter what he can no way do as poorly as Bush and Cheney.

Tina November 20, 2008 - 7:43pm

I don't like the choice, personally, but i see some wisdom in it. The SoS is hardly a powerhouse position these days...supplanted to a great degree by the NSA. What it does do is move Clinton out of the Senate where she could be a serious thorn in his side. It also means that she'd have to give up that Senate seat to serve at the pleasure of the President. Tough place to launch a presidential bid in 2012 if she makes it as SoS that long. (Granted, she'd be a hard appointee to can) And she'd be saddled with administrating a large bureaucracy.

It effectively takes her out of the DC loop. And she's already lost the historical narrative. If it's all true, she could have been his first major appointment (CoS is a little different as it's personal), but she's hemming and hawing over it...fighting between her vanity and her ambition. She's got a lot of considerations and only two moves. She takes it and gives up a lot to have it or she doesn't and looks like she's snubbing the new President.

The same situation is at play with Emanual. I could be wrong, but it looks from here like Obama is playing the game by thinking 7 moves ahead while his opponents (politicians) are playing the game as they always do, looking one move behind to see how their decision played out.

If he really wanted to give her a plum that she would really want, he'd have offered HHS.

Lex November 20, 2008 - 8:22am

but I think you're living in the past. Doing my Don imitation, the world is in the path of a shit tsunami of such dimensions that the least of Obama's worries is going to be what happens in 2012. Depressions tend to lead to world wars; and if Clinton makes Obama a failure no Democrat will get anywhere near the White House in 2012. Assuming we still have one.

Tim November 20, 2008 - 10:13am

It is probably a genuine offer that comes with conditions. The problem I have is that Hilary does not exist in a vacuum. She comes with baggage and Denis Ross, of AIPAC notoriety, is just one small part of this baggage. If somehow an agreement with Obama has led to guarantees that whatever happens in the Middle East it will not be on the basis of the old Clinton politics, which led to disaster in the Israeli Palestinian issue, then maybe she could be useful. She could be a good way to sway American Jews and guarantee that a policy of tougher love towards Israel becomes possible.

My hope is that Obama remembers his days of "palling around" with Khalidi and has a proper sense of what is at stake in the issue of Palestine. Maybe Hilary with a voice of love and concern can tell the Israelis that they will either become one democratic state over all of Palestine, no longer Jewish, or two states living next to each other, and that the US is in financial crisis and needs to curtail its assistance, or convert it into Green investments rather than F-15s. Maybe she can be the new James Baker to Obama's G. Bush Senior. And maybe pigs can fly but at there is no other real option.

Also, there is an irony in Hilary going to Iran to negotiate, Kissinger-like, the first stage of a rapprochement with this country. Symbolically it would be great to have a man with Hussein as a middle name and a woman representing the US to the Iranians. Quite a narrative.

She is smart enough, for sure. Will she be bold though? If she succeeds in 2016 she would still be younger than McCain to run for president, but by then it is likely that the US will be going for its first Latino president.

dimik72 November 20, 2008 - 12:53pm

... now I'm thoroughly confused. Since you possess a vast amount of knowledge about history, do you know a historical figure who, despite all predictions to the contrary, proved him/herself to be phenomenally gifted, capable, and successful? In other words, their brilliance and effectiveness came as a surprise? There must have been one or a few such persons, no? Personally, I believe Hillary is much larger than achieving financial wealth - she genuinely cares about the country. What would stop her from telling Bill to go and take a hike if he starts to interfere? It's not as if she owes him anything, if you know what I mean. Besides, apart from the questionable deal in Kazakhstan, Bill has proven himself to be a great humanitarian. We can't say that about Dick Cheney, can we?


Tolerating prostitution is tolerating abuse and torture of women and children.

adrena November 20, 2008 - 5:58pm

adrena, let me clarify my position from the outset: I assess politicians solely on their record, not on anything else. For that matter, it is irrelevant to me whether Hillary is male, female or neuter. Neither do I question her being gifted, capable, and successful, so her brilliance and effectiveness wouldn’t come as a surprise. Neither do I believe that the accumulation of financial wealth is a driving force for her (at least not in a negative way). But I have studied Bill’s presidency, her politics, and their advisers at great length and simply strongly disagree with the world view they represent. More, I consider it utterly counterproductive for the US and Europe (“the West”) if not outright dangerous if she or her team were given the powers to convert these views into foreign policy. In the Senate, leading health care reform, on the other hand, she could become one of the greatest reformers of her generation, but as SoS, I believe, she would turn a disaster.

Hannes Artens November 20, 2008 - 7:56pm

if it takes a village, we're all in this together.

mrmx November 21, 2008 - 6:22pm

... if a village only accepts Gods and excludes Goddesses, we'll never be in this together.


Tolerating prostitution is tolerating abuse and torture of women and children.

adrena November 22, 2008 - 12:15am

it's difficult to argue against someone who makes a lot of sense. Even more so when, judging from the comments to David Ignatius's article, many others seem to share your view. I'm afraid, I have no lines of reasoning left in my defensive arsenal. Quite frankly, I don't know what to believe anymore. I am aware that my support for Hillary is not entirely based on sound and objective judgment. What I really go by is her magnificent speech on human rights in Beijing - one of her shining moments. The hope, although precarious, I cling to is that she will transfer her advocacy for women's rights to that of the Palestinians. However, I have a feeling that Hillary will not be in a position to advance her personal beliefs and convictions (if she has any, that is), not necessarily because of Obama, but because she and, as you put it, her big, hungry team have become inseparable.

Once Obama takes office and Hillary is Sec. of State, I will judge her by what she does.

Tolerating prostitution is tolerating abuse and torture of women and children.

adrena November 22, 2008 - 12:06am

Hillary might get the trophy, but so what?

mrmx November 20, 2008 - 6:22pm

written without sourcing, except weird one at the end:

Hillary plays hardball

The first sign of friction in the Obama camp as Mrs Clinton demands - and gets - a purge of her critics before accepting Secretary of State role

Before Hillary Clinton has been formally offered the job as Secretary of State, a purge of Barack Obama's top foreign policy team has begun.

The advisers who helped trash the former First Lady's foreign policy credentials on the campaign trail are being brutally shunted aside, as the price of her accepting the job of being the public face of America to the world. In negotiations with Mr Obama this week before agreeing to take the job, she demanded and received assurances that she alone should appoint staff to the State Department. She also got assurances that she will have direct access to the President and will not have to go through his foreign policy advisers on the National Security Council, which is where many of her critics in the Obama team are expected to end up. more

By Leonard Doyle in Washington
Sunday, 23 November 2008

Before Hillary Clinton has been formally offered the job as Secretary of State, a purge of Barack Obama's top foreign policy team has begun.


"Go confidently in the direction of your dreams! Live the life you've imagined." -Henry David Thoreau

Tina November 22, 2008 - 9:26pm

What does it all mean? I'm sure you're not pleased about this, Hannes. Who is pulling Obama's strings? Or is it Obama who desperately wants Hillary? If so, why?

Like I said, I'll wait until Hillary actually begins her work as Sec. of State before I pass judgment on her. I need to see what she does to determine if I can admire her or if I should can her.


Tolerating prostitution is tolerating abuse and torture of women and children.

adrena November 22, 2008 - 9:42pm

the angst all over the internet amazes me. He hasn't even taken office yet, it is like they just can't wait to have a target. heh I remember everyone saying Obama knows what is best and he will make the right decisions for us, I guess it only meant what the grassroots thinks is best. :D


"Go confidently in the direction of your dreams! Live the life you've imagined." -Henry David Thoreau

Tina November 23, 2008 - 3:41am

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