Categories

Archives

Fusion Fest

For your enquiring minds, an incredibly detailled interview with a bunch of MIT fusion power researchers. Along with lots of excellent technical details, they “discuss the things we’ve learned about fusion in the past decade, how long it’s likely to take for fusion to power your home, the biggest problems fusion researchers are working to solve, and why it’s important to continue funding fusion projects”. For me, the biggest takeaway is that we could have fusion power a lot quicker if the programs weren’t starved of funding. A measly $80 billion, given what we’ve squandered on wars, doesn’t seem a lot to get abundant, clean power in two decades instead of four.

10 comments to Fusion Fest

  • tla

    Has been their claim as long as I can remember – back as far as 1960 at least. I note in this article they are now saying 50 years, so it’s now even farther away. Advances in solar, wind, battery power have actually happened, and are far less dangerous or polluting.

  • Bolo

    but $80 billion is pocket change for what we’d get in return.

  • Bolo

    generated by fusion power? I see that the containment vessel will be somewhat radioactive and need to be dealt with when a plant is decommissioned, but what else is there?

  • Steve Hynd

    There’s no radioactive waste to deal with and even if the worst occurs and there’s some kind of containment failure, the radiation released wouldn’t be much above background and would be very short-lived. Nor is there enough energy involved to sustain the fusion reaction outside the containment field, so there’s no chance of a big bang, even.

  • ScentOfViolets

    ?!?!?!? This is so not true! Both the D-D and D-T reactions release a large fraction of their total energy as neutrons – 3.5 MeV in the 4He product vs. 19.1 MeV in the neutron in the latter (and easier) reaction. That is, five times as much energy is in the radioactive product as opposed to the non-radioactive one.

    No, fusion as we currently understand it does not represent some vast improvement over good old-fashioned fission. About the only way it wins hands-down is in the potential for manufacturing nuclear weaponry.

    That’s not a trivial advantage, mind you. But that’s not exactly an advantage when thinking purely in terms of a commercial source of energy.

    -“He deserves death.”
    -“Deserves it! I daresay he does. Many that live deserve death. And some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them? Then do not be too eager to deal out death in judgement. For even the very wise cannot see all ends.”

  • jo6pac

    give up war with the nations on the world, have you gone Mad;) Chump change but this type stuff scares people being pure science in all, how sad

  • Bolo

    to as far as radioactive waste? How do those numbers compare to fission? Just giving the ratio of energy captured vs. energy emitted as waste doesn’t tell me much about the harmful effects of it…

    Edit: Wikipedia’s not perfect, but there’s a decent discussion of the hazards, etc. at this link

    Double edit: I love this quote: “Assuming a fusion energy output equal to the 1995 global power output of about 100 EJ/yr (= 1 x 1020 J/yr) and that this does not increase in the future, then the known current lithium reserves would last 3000 years, lithium from sea water would last 60 million years, and a more complicated fusion process using only deuterium from sea water would have fuel for 150 billion years.[39] To put this in context, 150 billion years is over ten times the currently measured age of the universe, and is close to 30 times the remaining lifespan of the sun.[40]“

  • Steve Hynd

    I turned to searching on “hazards of fusion power” and got this from the Encyclopedia of Earth. The biggie seems to be a radioactive Tritium leak, in the D-T process.

  • Raja

    From Wikipedia, Neutron Radiation:

    In health physics neutron radiation is considered a fourth radiation hazard alongside the other types of radiation. Another, sometimes more severe hazard of neutron radiation, is neutron activation, the ability of neutron radiation to induce radioactivity in most substances it encounters, including the body tissues of the workers themselves. This occurs through the capture of neutrons by atomic nuclei, which are transformed to another nuclide, frequently a radionuclide. This process accounts for much of the radioactive material released by the detonation of a nuclear weapon. It is also a problem in nuclear fission and nuclear fusion installations, as it gradually renders the equipment radioactive; eventually the hardware must be replaced and disposed of as low-level radioactive waste.

    Neutron radiation protection relies on radiation shielding. In comparison with conventional ionizing radiation based on photons or charged particles, neutrons are repeatedly bounced and slowed (absorbed) by light nuclei, so a large mass of hydrogen-rich material is needed. Neutrons readily pass through most material, but interact enough to cause biological damage. Due to the high kinetic energy of neutrons, this radiation is considered to be the most severe and dangerous radiation available. The most effective materials are e.g. water, polyethylene, paraffin wax, or concrete, where a considerable amount of water molecules are chemically bound to the cement. The light atoms serve to slow down the neutrons by elastic scattering, so they can then be absorbed by nuclear reactions. However, gamma radiation is often produced in such reactions, so additional shielding has to be provided to absorb it.

    Because the neutrons that strike the hydrogen nucleus (proton, or deuteron) impart energy to that nucleus, they in turn will break from their chemical bonds and travel a short distance, before stopping. Those protons and deuterons are high linear energy transfer particles, and are in turn stopped by ionization of the material through which they travel. Consequently, in living tissue, neutrons have a relatively high relative biological effectiveness, and are roughly ten times more effective at causing cancers or LD-50s compared to photon or beta radiation of equivalent radiation exposure.

  • ScentOfViolets

    The article you site says that:

    The large flux of high-energy neutrons in a reactor will make the structural materials radioactive. The radioactive inventory at shut-down may be comparable to that of a fission reactor, but there are important differences.

    So yes, far from being a process with no significant radioactivity, fusion generates about the same amount as fission. Iow, it will have all the problems associated with waste disposal that fission does. Further:

    Although this waste will be considerably more radioactive during those 50 years than fission waste, the very short half-life makes the process very attractive, as the waste management is fairly straightforward. By 300 years the material would have the same radioactivity as coal ash.[37]

    Iow, the waste material from fusion is much more dangerous than what you get from fission.

    Mind you, I’m all for more throwing gobs more money into researching fusion as a commercial power source (and not just at magnetic confinement schemes). But I’m not going to make the mistake of overselling fusion in the same way that fission was once touted as “power too cheap to meter”.

    -“He deserves death.”
    -“Deserves it! I daresay he does. Many that live deserve death. And some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them? Then do not be too eager to deal out death in judgement. For even the very wise cannot see all ends.”

Leave a Reply