We Shoot They Run, If They Run, They Are Insurgents


This appears to be the new engagement strategy for the US Military in Iraq. And who said the surge isn’t working? We’re killing everyone in sight, soon there won’t be anyone left to resist the occupation. The US Military has developed a new strategy for targeting insurgents in Iraq. According to testimony in the trial of three US Army snipers for murder, it works like this. The snipers plant various objects (ie. wiring, bullets, and detonation cords) in plain view and if anyone picks up the items and tries to leave with them, they are killed.

WASHINGTON -- Army snipers hunting insurgents in Iraq were under orders to "bait" their targets with suspicious materials, such as detonation cords, and then kill whoever picked up the items, according to the defense attorney for a soldier accused of planting evidence on an Iraqi he killed. Gary Myers, an attorney for Sgt. Evan Vela, said his client had acted "pursuant to orders."

"Baiting is putting an object out there that we know they will use, with the intention of destroying the enemy," Didier said in the statement. "Basically, we would put an item out there and watch it. If someone found the item, picked it up and attempted to leave with the item, we would engage the individual as I saw this as a sign they would use the item against U.S. forces." Washington Post

This has got to be the craziest idea ever. In a war zone, you lay out these items that anyone could pickup for a number of different reasons and if anyone happens to pick them up regardless of their status they are killed. It’s simple you are obviously an insurgent or why would you pick up this stuff?

I am reminded of a line in a movie, I think it was “Platoon” when a helicopter gunner was asked how he knew the people he was shooting at was VC. He said they were running. He said if they stood there they would be shot but they weren’t VC, if they ran they were definitely VC and shot.

While I do not claim to be a military genius, it seems to me that there are a number of small caveats to this strategy. The first of which is just natural human curiosity. How many people collect crap they have no intention of using. I know of many examples of pack rats, who just collect crap for the hell of it. These people just go around picking up stuff, many times off the street. Can you imagine if you were walking down the street and you saw a shiny piece of junk and when you picked it up and turned to leave, you were executed? We would never have had Sanford and Son.

Also, there is the fact that these people are in a war zone. There has to be loads of this crap lying around all over the place. How about the guy who wants to remove something dangerous so it doesn’t kill his wife or kids? Oops, you pick it up, you are an insurgent. There can be many scenarios of why a person would pick up this stuff, besides being an insurgent. Under this strategy none of those will matter, because guess what? Everyone is an insurgent. This has always been the problem from a military standpoint of fighting in an urban setting and in a civil war, how do you distinguish the friendlies from the bad guys?

Eugene Fidell, president of the National Institute of Military Justice, said such a baiting program should be examined "quite meticulously" because it raises troubling possibilities, such as what happens when civilians pick up the items.

"In a country that is awash in armaments and magazines and implements of war, if every time somebody picked up something that was potentially useful as a weapon, you might as well ask every Iraqi to walk around with a target on his back," Fidell said. Washington Post

I hate to tell you Mr. Fidell but this is precisely the situation we have placed our military in, everyone is walking around with a target on their back. The problem with occupying a country is that the more insurgents you kill, the more insurgents you create. Insurgents don’t die, they multiply. They multiply because no matter how cautious you try to be, there will always be civilian casualties. If you are too cautious then you are a casualty. It becomes a never ending cycle. If you run, you are an insurgent.

Now not only is it the military snipers, but also the armed private American militias that have this shoot first mentality. You are going to have a difficult time winning hearts and minds when you are shooting everyone in sight. No matter how this ends, it will be a black-eye for America. Anyone crazy enough to believe we can salvage something good from this should be committed immediately, no questions asked.

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Forgiven October 5, 2007 - 9:50am

We harass them. If they get annoyed and impatient, they must be terrorists.

creativelcro October 5, 2007 - 12:26pm

Everybody is becoming a terrorists or an insurgent. What have we become?

Forgiven October 5, 2007 - 12:58pm

The Bush administration is terrorist. Most of the sheeple are just apathetic victims.

NateTG October 5, 2007 - 2:13pm

Members of a U.S. Army unit in Iraq accused in murder trials say they felt pushed to notch more 'kills.'

By Ned Parker, Los Angeles Times Staff Writer
October 5, 2007

BAGHDAD --

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Interviews and court transcripts portray a 13-man sniper unit that felt under pressure to produce a high body count, a Vietnam-era measure that the Pentagon officially has disavowed in this war. They describe a sniper unit whose margins of right and wrong were blurred: by Hensley, if you believe Army prosecutors; by the Army, if you believe the accused.

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The Pentagon has rebutted the allegations about "baiting," and is treating the three prosecutions as isolated cases of rogue soldiers.

"I don't know how far up the chain this baiting program goes right now. I know the government is trying to dummy this down to the lowest level possible," said Vela's attorney, James Culp.

"Our government is asking our soldiers and Marines to make morally bruising decisions under the most horrific conditions imaginable," Culp added. "When the government doesn't like the results, they isolate and vilify the soldier while hiding behind security clearances, classifications and unreasonable expectations.

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The sniper unit was investigated for three incidents. Hensley is accused of shooting an unarmed man April 14 and of ordering Spc. Jorge G. Sandoval Jr. on April 27 to kill a man who was cutting grass with a scythe. Both Hensley and Vela face charges in the May 11 shooting of the Iraqi man who had stumbled upon their sniper position.

Murder charges against Sandoval were dropped last week. He was convicted of poor conduct, for planting detonation cord on the body of the man with the scythe.

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Escher Sketch October 5, 2007 - 3:36pm

Thanks for adding more background.

Forgiven October 5, 2007 - 4:43pm

...if they run, they're insurgents. If they're insurgents, they're al Qaida.

After all, regular Iraqis would never object to having their country invaded and occupied by crusaders bent on killing Muslims and stealing their oil, right?

"Death before being dishonored any more." - Col. Ted Westhusing

Jimbo92107 October 5, 2007 - 4:50pm

Inside every Iraqi and terrorists, there is an American trying to get out...

Forgiven October 5, 2007 - 5:34pm

Commentary at Raw Story by John Byrne
Published: Friday October 5

The murder trial of the "Painted Demons," an elite US sniper unit that prided itself on fomenting fear in the so-called triangle of death has revealed a shocking -- but perhaps not unexpected -- product of war.

According to the LA Times, the Painted Demons' trial at Camp Victory, on the grounds of the Baghdad airport, portrays a group of young soldiers who say they were pressured to kill.

"Interviews and court transcripts portray a 13-man sniper unit that felt under pressure to produce a high body count, a Vietnam-era measure that the Pentagon officially has disavowed in this war," writes Times reporter Ned Parker. "They describe a sniper unit whose margins of right and wrong were blurred: by Hensley, if you believe Army prosecutors; by the Army, if you believe the accused.

The main line of defense for two of the soldiers is that officers advocated that they leave weapons as bait and allowed snipers to kill anyone who came to pick them up. The Army says this practice amounts to murder, and paints the soldiers as "rogue" elements of a professional force.

Not everyone agrees.

James Culp, defense attorney for 23-year-old Evan Vela, who stands accused of murder, says the Pentagon is trying to blame a widespread practice on a few men.

"I don't know how far up the chain this baiting program goes right now. I know the government is trying to dummy this down to the lowest level possible," Culp told the LA Times. He and other attorneys say the baiting practice came down from on high -- from the battalion commander if not higher.

A recent Washington Post report alleged that at the urging of Pentagon experts in special operations, US military snipers operating in Iraq are "baiting" Iraqis by scattering items like detonation cord, plastic explosives and ammunition and then ambushing and killing those who pick them up.

The newspaper said the classified program was described in investigative documents, that the Army refused to comment upon.

Documents supplied by family members of the accused soldiers allegedly claim that members of the Pentagon's Asymmetric Warfare Group visited his the alleged murderer's unit in January and passed along ammunition boxes filled with the "drop items" to be used to disrupt ... attempts at harming Coalition Forces and give us the upper hand in a fight."

MORE at the link.

Chickadee October 5, 2007 - 6:03pm

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