City Oriente, Ecuador and Oil


New update below 1-23-08 dhfjr.

I’ve avoided writing about the current conflict over oil contracts in Ecuador because my family owns an interest in an oil company operating in Ecuador (City Oriente) and my opinions will probably find less than a warm welcome from participants on either side of the issue. But as tensions escalate and potential for disastrous outcomes grow, I feel the need to have a say, with hopes for an acceptable outcome for all.

I’m not directly, not even indirectly involved in the decision making process at City Oriente, but I do have two brothers that work for the company and have gleaned bits and pieces of what’s happening through them and by following events on the Internet. Some of the details I offer will be wrong, but hopefully close enough to reality to offer a general understanding of the situation. The issues are complex. Right and wrong get clouded in the debate. First a little history:

My dad worked in Ecuador during the late 60’s and early 70’s during the infancy of the oil business in the eastern provinces of that small South American country. He was a salaried employee of an American corporation based out of California. He also held a small minority interest in the company. The principal companies with concessions during the era were mostly large American oil giants like Texaco and Shell oil. My dad’s company, Cayman International, was tiny in comparison. Nonetheless, Cayman did acquire a concession, then financing to explore for oil and to develop the field if oil was found. His efforts proved fruitful.

In the end, Cayman was acquired by another company. Dad got a job with the new owners for a time but eventually they parted ways and his involvement in the business ended. Subsequently, a series of different companies acquired the now highly productive concession that had belonged to Cayman.

The original contracts Ecuador signed with foreign investors required oil companies to perform seismographic studies, drill test wells and then install production facilities should oil be discovered. Once production began, a percentage of the oil produced (around 20%) would go to Ecuador; the remaining oil would be property of the producing company for sale in international markets. In addition, companies would be required to pay an income tax on any profits derived from their activities.

As time went by, these contracts went by the wayside. Some expired due to age, others after acquisitions of the companies holding them.

The original contracts should have generated a lot of money for the Ecuadorian government. 20% of gross production is, at minimum, half of profits, if not more, when the high cost of development and production in remote areas is factored into the equation. In fact, Ecuadorian oil has generated a lot of revenue for the state, unfortunately, most of this has ended up in the hands of a wealthy few, and a lot of the wealth has exited the country.

Here’s how it happened.

Once Ecuador had proven reserves, investors (some would call them economic hit-men), offered proposals that seemed to be of benefit to the nation. Proposals like electrification projects. But these projects were negotiated by politicians that were more interested in their own enrichment than that of their country. Some of the projects were intentionally overvalued, allowing large amounts of money to be siphoned off by those that arranged the deal on both ends. Ecuadorian politicians took kickbacks in exchange for overpriced contracts to build the facilities, contractors made excessive profits for their work, politicians got rich and banks were satisfied because Ecuadorian oil reserves were collateralized as guarantee of payment. As oil was produced, a portion of the government’s share paid the notes.

Years later, the price of oil fell. Suddenly Ecuador was left with a crushing debt accumulated over time formed by a series of these bad agreements. Companies holding the notes figured they’d never be repaid and sold the notes to individuals for as low as 10 cents on the dollar. Some of the buyers of the notes may very well prove to be the original corrupt politicians (perhaps now living in and owning a nice piece of Miami, Florida) that earned their money by stealing it in the first place, and other foreign interests. These transactions did nothing to reduce or eliminate Ecuador’s financial obligation, they just changed who held the notes.

When oil prices rebounded, Ecuador resumed making payments against the money the country had borrowed plus accrued interest. Even though oil revenues were high, a significant amount of the country’s income was tagged as payment against these loans, leaving little money for successive governmental administrations to spend at home. Then, of course, the new crooks in office took their piece of the pie and left even less for the next man in line. I don’t know the exact figures, but I do know the percentage of revenue that actually made it into any meaningful project for the benefit of the people is extraordinarily low.

Dad returned to Ecuador in the late 90’s and in a series of transactions acquired a small but marginal and unproductive block from Cayman’s original concession for City Oriente, a privately held company in which he owns a substantial interest. Prevailing thought among oil professionals was that the area was inconsequential (he obviously disagreed). The block had minimal production—something less than five hundred barrels a day. Oil was selling for 20 some-odd-dollars a barrel. City Oriente purchased the property for a price in the neighborhood of $20 million dollars. Under terms of the new contract, City was required to do additional exploration and development. As with Cayman’s original contract, a percentage of the oil would go to Ecuador, but now the percentage was higher. I don’t know the exact terms, but I think Ecuador got 25% of gross production up to a given number of barrels per day and more above that number. In addition City Oriente was required to pay a 38% income tax on profits derived from the sale of oil.

City borrowed money for new drilling projects. Their first efforts were directed at a couple of wells he had drilled years ago and plugged because they were so remote that it was impossible to extract the oil at the time, and also because most thought they’d be marginally profitable at best. The oil they contained is low-gravity or thick oil, harder to extract and ship and also worth less per barrel than high-gravity crude. The wells outperformed expectations.

Then City drilled new discovery wells and got them on-line, once again in an area thought to be worthless. Production levels for City’s block rose to over 4,000 barrels a day. City delivered their portion of oil to the government as the contract required and also paid taxes on their income.

However, the people living in the region where the oil wells lie were unhappy. They saw large amounts of a valuable resource being pumped from the ground beneath their feet and saw very little in benefits from the sale of said oil. They had little or no idea where the money went; they just knew it failed to find its way home. Understandably, they began to clamor for better treatment.

Environmental activists also had their say. Early oil exploration and development was done without much if any respect for the environment (as was also the case in the United States. The oil museum in Luling, Texas has pictures of oil rigs stacked along the ground like cars in a parking lot and rivers of crude running through creek beds).

City made provisions for both. After negotiating with locals they paid doctors to service the needs of locals free of charge, bought cattle for some, and financed other projects (without being required to by the government). Wells were drilled with the latest techniques; one platform served as a central location for various horizontal holes to reduce the footprint of both drilling and production facilities.

Most other companies operating in Ecuador made no provisions for the native occupants of the land, aside from employing factions of the Ecuadorian army for protection of their facilities.

Meanwhile, the cocaine industry continued to grow in the region, fueling both ultra-left and ultra-right factions, mostly in Colombia, but also in neighboring Peru and Ecuador as well. Anyone telling you that cocaine is exclusively owned by leftists is lying or ignorant of the facts.

When Rafael Correa was elected president he was given a mandate: to see that a larger part of proceeds from the sale of Ecuador’s resources should stay home and benefit Ecuadorians. He inherited a condition that made this impossible. Unable to eliminate the country’s external debt, he turned to foreign oil companies and demanded a larger cut of proceeds.

A benchmark price for oil was set (I believe in the case of City it’s $28/barrel). Correa demanded 50% of any profits derived from the sale of oil above the benchmark price. While this may appear to be good for the government, it is an unworkable agreement and in the end would bankrupt oil companies. It will also mean less revenue for Ecuador in spite of the higher percentage of the government’s take as production grinds to a halt.

What many fail to realize is that oil prices go up, production costs also go up. As you produce oil, you diminish reserves. Oil companies make money selling oil and must do additional exploration and build additional production facilities to ensure a supply in the future. The cost of doing exploration in a world of diminishing returns has gone up exponentially. So much so that if City had paid what Correa demanded, they would have lost $500,000 last year, and that in spite of suspending further drilling operations.

City’s contract with Ecuador provided a provision for arbitration of disputes. A tribunal under the auspices of the World Bank, comprised of members appointed by both sides in the dispute and one neutral party was created. Unlike most companies in Ecuador, City filed for arbitration and refused to pay the additional money Correa demanded. The case is under consideration at the moment. Most companies did enter into new contracts, although many of them have failed to make payment under the new terms. They can’t afford to.

Correa’s response was harsh. Instead of 50% of income above the benchmark price Ecuador was to receive under the previous decree, he upped the percentage to 99% above benchmark for all foreign oil companies operating in Ecuador. This is absolutely an unworkable equation. Correa has also said that he will cancel all contracts of companies in arrears since the 50% above benchmark decree was announced, Wednesday of this week.

He has also indicate that he will not accept the decision of the arbitration.

Negotiations are in progres to come up with a workable solution to this conflict.

It appears that Correa’s goal is nationalization of Ecuador’s oil. With the track record of the national company in mind, that won’t be a good thing for the country. But there’s a possibility that Correa will try to reach an agreement where Ecuador owns the oil and oil companies are paid as contractors for their services. This is unlikely to attract investors from foreign countries (outside of China, with their huge pile of depreciating dollar denominated notes), but if he can pull it off, he may be able to keep production from undergoing a precipitous collapse.

If he nationalizes these companies without some sort of acceptable compensation for loss of investment, he will find both himself and Ecuador in major trouble. Even his mentor, Hugo Chavez has indicated he will repay Conoco-Philips for a least a portion of Conoco's investment into Venezuela.

This is an on-going event and will be worth watching in the near future.

From my perspective, the era of privately owned oil is soon likely to be a thing of the past and big oil as dead as the dinosaurs.

As far as City Oriente and Ecuador are concerned, unfortunately both will be probably suffer from the backlash as large and powerful moneied interests from within and from outside the country fight over the spoils of their land. City Oriente may fall victim to Ecuador, but if so, Ecuador may find themselves in the cross-hairs of the World Bank.

If anyone involved in this proceeding thinks my depiction of events is inaccurate, I welcome your contribution and perspective to the discussion. I will be the first to admit that my vantage point is limited and that my opinion is somewhat biased.

New update 1-23-08

City's production in Ecuador has fallen from over 4000 barrels per day to something slightly below 3,000/bpd since the government demanded higher revenue taxes. With no chance of realizing profits, City was forced to suspend ongoing drilling and development programs. In this climate attracting financing is impossible.

My dad estimates that had City been allowed to proceed with plans, production could have been raised to somewhere around 10,000/bpd.

On another note, when you consider that during years when oil prices fell into the <$10/barrel range notes on the national debt were sold to private interests at something along the lines of 10 cents on the dollar and the holders of these notes are collecting on 100% of their value plus interest, it is time for these debts to be cancelled.

I'm sure some rich guy somewhere disagrees.

Usury is a sin and a goddamned crime.

Under biblical law, all debts should be cancelled after 49 years and properties returned to the original owners. Perhaps in light of the way Ecuador's debt was created and has been (mis) managed, it is appropriate for Ecuador to reassume ownership of their oil.

On the other hand, Ecuador should compensate City for its investments and be cognizant that finding and producing oil is a complicated and complex activity, the intracies of which cannot be learned in a class-room or be performed entirely with the use of computers and fancy software. City Oriente holds the key to effective development of the block it manages in Ecuador's field while employing environmentally friendly methods. City's owners and managers have proven themselves relatively honest practioners, interested not only in personal profit, but also in the welfare of Ecuador and its citizens.

Room remains for a mutally advantageous relationship in this venture.

My two cents, for whatever it's worth. dhfjr.


Don January 22, 2008 - 12:42pm
( categories: Latin America )

covers the earlier history of Ecuador and similar situations.

Correa is going to be branded as a communist bad guy whatever he does to fulfill his campaign promises to get benefits to the people from the oil. I think everyone is screwed in this situation. If the U.S. wasn't so over-extended right now and already so unpopular they would just arrange an accident to occur for Correa, as they had arranged one for Ecuadorean President Jaime Roldós earlier.

elemming November 5, 2007 - 8:00pm

this was very interesting, thanks for writing it. As with many things, the "right" is on neither side.

Ian Welsh November 6, 2007 - 3:55pm

is my favorite kind.
i really appreciated this post and it's own first hand history. thanks for writing it and at length.
just before i got to it, i was thinking about such various south american histories of the last century and the real size of the world, and then *poof*, here's this. nicely stunning timing.
quite a post. (& the caveat at bottom was a classy end.)

Zuma November 7, 2007 - 3:54pm

Bloomberg

By Stephan Kueffner

Nov. 8 (Bloomberg) -- PetroEcuador, the state-owned oil company, said it asked the energy ministry to rescind the contract of the last U.S. oil company operating in Ecuador, saying it has refused to comply with a windfall profit levy.

City Oriente, owned by U.S.-based City Investing, owes the government $28 million for windfall oil profits, PetroEcuador president Carlos Pareja told reporters today in Quito. City Oriente produces 2,800 to 3,000 barrels a day in Ecuador, while the country as a whole pumps about 500,000.

The government and private oil companies split profits 50- 50 once the price of oil exceeds a threshold, under terms of a revenue-sharing law passed last year by the country's previous administration. Venezuela, Bolivia and Ecuador have redrawn contracts with oil companies to benefit from prices nearing $100 a barrel.

``This company, despite our requests, hasn't complied with a single payment since April 2006,'' Pareja said. ``There's nothing else for us to do other than to seek the rescinding of its contract.''

City Oriente can keep its contract if it makes the payments, Pareja said. The energy ministry will make the final decision about whether to revoke the accord, and there's no deadline, he added.

Officials from City Oriente weren't available for comment, according to a worker in the company's Quito offices who isn't allowed to give her name.

City Oriente said in November that it considers the law unjustified and is seeking international arbitration with the World Bank's International Center for Settlement of Investment Disputes.

I did inhale.

Don November 9, 2007 - 10:33am

While the original concessions granted by Ecuador did not cost money to acquire (other than the required expenses of exploration and development), City Oriente bought their block in the same way you would buy leases here in the United States, invested money into exploration and production facilities.

If City Oriente had complied with the (previous) presidential decree demanding 50% of revenue above benchmark, they would have been unable to pay off loans acquired to do the work. The new 99% decree is a kick in the balls. Worse than nationalization. An insult.

What good is a contract when one party can unilaterally, by decree, change parameters of the agreement?

Looks like the indians are giving us a taste of our own medicine (broken treaties).

It was wrong when our forefathers did it; it's wrong now.

Only it isn't really the indians breaking the treaty. It's another group of rich guys from developed parts of the country. Chances are good that after the new guys in the suits gain control (and I suspect they will, rather soon), the indians will end up with something akin to another pile of plastic beads.

Prediction: If Petroecuador takes over the fields, Ecuador will see less in profit than they did under the existing contract with City.

The indians will get squat.

I did inhale.

Don November 9, 2007 - 10:40am

Rueters

QUITO (Reuters) - An international tribunal has ordered Ecuador to temporarily halt demands to charge U.S.-owned City Oriente a controversial windfall oil tax approved last year, according to court documents released by the company Wednesday.

The action by the World Bank International Center for Settlement of Investment Disputes could help other foreign oil companies make their case against the windfall tax that they say hurts their operations in South America's No. 5 oil producer, industry sources said.

President Rafael Correa shocked investors in October by hiking the tax to 99 percent from 50 percent of the extra oil revenues generated by companies above a contractual price.

...

I did inhale.

Don November 22, 2007 - 12:03am

Here

Ecuadorean Attorney General Jorge German Tuesday asked the Supreme Court to order City Oriente representatives and former Energy Minister Ivan Rodriguez be taken into custody.

The government claims privately held City Oriente owes $28 million to the state because the company didn't pay the state extra revenue tied to high oil prices.

In October, President Rafael Correa ordered that the government receive 99% of extraordinary revenue from private oil companies when oil prices are high. Previously, the state received 50%.

The City Oriente officials ordered taken into custody are James Patrick Ford, Horacio Yepez Maldonado and Jose Ernesto Paez Cruz.

more

I did inhale.

Don November 28, 2007 - 5:54pm

Prensa Latina

Quito, Dec 11 (Prensa Latina) The Ecuadorian government starts Tuesday the renegotiation of contracts with five foreign oil companies that have investments in that Andean territory.

Talks will begin with China's Andes Petroleum, the US City Oriente, France's Perezco, Spain's Repsol, and Brazil's Petrobras, whose representatives accepted to negotiate with the State.

The executive proposes to change contracts of participation for provision of services, and the process will be in charge of five multidisciplinary teams that simultaneously negotiate with foreign entities.

Oil and Mining Minister Galo Chiriboga highlighted that this renegotiation, halted since 2003, is one of the aims of the country's President Rafael Correa, interested in increasing the State's presence and profits in the hydrocarbon sector.

These talks take place after the chief of State decreed oil companies must hand over 99 percent of extra incomes obtained from the high price of crude oil in the international market.

Chiriboga stated that the country seeks to negotiate and not confiscate, and also rejected to analyze the bylaw that establishes 99 percent of extra profits to the State.

I did inhale.

Don December 12, 2007 - 6:36pm

they speak of as if the cost of production is a static thing unaffected by the higher cost of energy.

99% of profits about twenty some-odd dollars a barrel is way into negative territory against cost of production and prohibits further exploration and development.
I did inhale.

Don December 12, 2007 - 6:40pm

Read the bold headline, then read a little further...

http://uk.reuters.com/article/oilRpt/idUKN1322078420071213

...

The move is not retroactive, said a ministry spokesman, as Ecuador has pending arbitration with several companies including U.S.-based Occidental Petroleum (OXY.N: Quote, Profile, Research) for the termination of its deal and take over of its assets in 2006.

...

City Oriente, a U.S-owned oil company that produces around 3,000 barrels of oil per day, already filed a suit at the World Bank's court against Ecuador over a tax reform last year. (Reporting by Alonso Soto; editing by Marguerita Choy)

Another note: Had not Ecuador initiated these proceedings, that 3,000 barrel/day production level would today have been much higher, consequently the revenue it would be generating for the state would have been much higher. Like a man cutting off his nose to spite his face. Of course it can be said the oil is still in the ground, but I would suggest that not just anyone has the know-how or the ability to find and extract that oil in a proficient, productive and envirnomentally friendly manner. dhfjr.

I did inhale.

Don December 18, 2007 - 12:36pm

I continue to maintain hope that this will work out for all parties concerned. dhfjr.

AP

...

The five companies with which officials are negotiating are: U.S.-based City Oriente, Spain's Repsol YPF (nyse: REP - news - people ), Brazil's state oil company Petroleo Brasileiro SA (nyse: PBR - news - people ), or Petrobras, French-owned Perenco SA, and the Chinese company Andes Petroleum Corp.

Ecuador is South America's fifth-largest oil producer, churning out an average of 510,000 barrels of crude a day.

Last week, Correa's government announced it would invest $2 billion in its oil industry this year to increase production by 11 percent. Correa has blamed the country's less than 3 percent economic growth rate in 2007, one of the lowest in Latin America, on declining oil production.

I did inhale.

Don January 22, 2008 - 1:50pm

City's production in Ecuador has fallen from over 4000 barrels per day to something slightly below 3,000/bpd since the government demanded higher revenue taxes. With no chance of realizing profits, City was forced to suspend ongoing drilling and development programs. In this climate attracting financing is impossible.

My dad estimates that had City been allowed to proceed with plans, production could have been raised to somewhere around 10,000/bpd.

On another note, when you consider that during years when oil prices fell into the <$10/barrel range notes on the national debt were sold to private interests at something along the lines of 10 cents on the dollar and the holders of these notes are collecting on 100% of their value plus interest, it is time for these debts to be cancelled.

I'm sure some rich guy somewhere disagrees.

Usury is a sin and a goddamned crime.

Under biblical law, all debts should be cancelled after 49 years and properties returned to the original owners. Perhaps in light of the way Ecuador's debt was created and has been (mis) managed, it is appropriate for Ecuador to reassume ownership of their oil.

On the other hand, Ecuador should compensate City for its investments and be cognizant that finding and producing oil is a complicated and complex activity, the intracacies of which cannot be learned in a class-room or be performed entirely with computers and fancy software. City Oriente holds the key to effective development of the block it manages in Ecuador while employing environmentally friendly methods. City's owners and managers have proven themselves relatively honest practioners, interested not only in personal profit, but also the welfare of Ecuador and its citizens.

Room remains for a mutally advantageous relationship in this venture.

My two cents, for whatever it's worth. dhfjr.

I did inhale.

Don January 23, 2008 - 10:32am

Bloomberg

By Stephan Kueffner

Jan. 26 (Bloomberg) -- Ecuador's President Rafael Correa set a March 8 deadline for oil companies to agree to changes in terms for oil contracts with the smallest member of the Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries.

``We have to put a limit on these negotiations: 45 days,'' Correa said in his weekly radio address today. The talks began on Jan. 21. Even with a long-running rally in crude oil prices, Ecuador's oil production shrank by 9.8 percent in 2007, weighing on gross domestic product growth, according to the central bank.

The companies will have the option of agreeing to be paid for getting the oil out of the ground, as the government wants, or to continue under present terms and pay the government a 99 percent tax for windfall profits above contracted prices.

Companies also may leave, in which case the country will pay them for investments carried out to date, said Correa, a U.S.- educated economist.

Five negotiating teams for the government are meeting on weekdays with the companies, which include state-owned Petroleo Brasileiro SA; France's Perenco SA; Spain's biggest energy company, Repsol YPF SA; Chinese-owned Andes Petroleum Co.; and the U.S.'s City Oriente Ltd.

I did inhale.

Don February 5, 2008 - 12:22pm

Ecuador warns foreign oil firms to boost investment

QUITO, Feb 7 (Reuters) - Ecuadorean President Rafael Correa said on Thursday he will take measures against foreign oil companies that fail to boost investment in the OPEC nation.

"This year (private) investment is halted while we renegotiate contracts," Correa told a local radio station. "If we don't reach an agreement (in negotiations) and they continue to halt investment, I will take other measures."

The former economy minister did not say what measures, but he has warned that, if oil companies fail to renegotiate their deals by early March, they can leave the country.

Correa, a left-wing ally of Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez, has launched an aggressive drive to boost state control over the key oil sector, pushing companies to rework their deals to increase the government participation in contracts.

He has said firms should switch from deals that allow companies to keep part of the oil they extract to contracts in which the state retains all the crude and pays them a service fee.

However, government negotiators said Ecuador was willing to temporarily keep current deals and later move to service contracts in a show of a softer tone in talks.

Ecuador, South America's fifth largest oil producer, has seen its oil output drop this year due to lack of investment in oil infrastructure and the state oil firm by previous governments, the current administration said.

http://uk.reuters.com/article/oilRpt/idUKN0757622220080207

Tina February 8, 2008 - 7:20pm

...taking 99% of revenue above $20 a barrel might have anything to do with the halt in investments?

Had not this law been passed, City Oriente would have drilled additional wells, worked-over existing wells, further developed infrastructure and they'd be producing 10,000 barrels a day instead of 3,000 bpd.

That is as close to a fact as you're going to get.

I did inhale.

Don February 9, 2008 - 10:29am

http://www.rigzone.com/news/article.asp?a_id=57366

Ecuador could arrive at an agreement with U.S-owned City Oriente to end its contract to produce crude oil in the Andean nation, Ecuador's Energy Minister Galo Chiriboga said Monday.

"It won't be possible to renew the contract because it is non-viable from technical and financial factors. We are analyzing the possibility of ending the contract by mutual agreement ..." Chiriboga told reporters.

President Rafael Correa in January gave a term of 45 days to finish renegotiations with five private oil companies, included City Oriente.

Correa's government aims to turn existing participation contracts, in which the state receives a percentage from oil production, into service-provider contracts through which companies would be paid a production fee and reimbursed for investment costs.

The previous administration of President Alfredo Palacio mandated that when oil prices rose above those laid down in operating contracts, the government's share of the excess would be 50%. The new administration of President Rafael Correa raised that to 99% in October 2007.

The companies have said these decrees make their businesses unprofitable, and some have started legal proceedings.

City Oriente, based in Panama and backed by U.S. investors, started in 2006 an arbitration process at the World Bank's International Center for the Settlement of Investment Disputes, or ICSID, against the Ecuadorian government, claiming that the new royalty breaks the terms of its operating contract.

City Oriente operates block 27 in Ecuador's Amazon region, producing around 3,000 barrels per day.

I did inhale.

Don February 27, 2008 - 10:24pm

Ecuador’s Oil Change: An Exporter’s Historic Proposal
http://upsidedownworld.org/main/content/view/1211/1/

Tina April 10, 2008 - 11:37am

An interesting fact concerning the cost of producing oil out of the Putamayo Basin:

From my brother concerning diesel costs for City's operations:

Our usage has been reduced by partially utilizing natural gas. Current usage is 4900 gal/day, which calculates to 147,000/mo (about $600k/mo in direct fuel costs). Previously, we were using 6000/day, just for routine operations. Consumption goes way up when we're actively exploring, and our service providers such as trucking companies that transport the crude and formation water from remote locations to our production plant are not accounted for in the above numbers.

I did inhale.

Don July 14, 2008 - 9:15am

http://www.cnbc.com/id/25937732/for/cnbc/

QUITO, Ecuador - The Ecuadorean government said Wednesday that it has reached an agreement with U.S.-backed oil company City Oriente to end its operating contract.

Oil and Mines Minister Galo Chiriboga told a news conference that Ecuador will pay the company US$69 million and City Oriente will withdraw an arbitration suit contesting back taxes claimed by the government.

I did inhale.

Don August 2, 2008 - 9:59am

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