Liberty or Tyranny


I recently listened to a speech Ron Paul gave, agreeing with some points and disagreeing with others. He thinks life begins at conception; I tend to go with the argument that life begins when a heart beats. He believes in the sanctity of life and I do too, but then I also believe someone should have the right to euthanize his or herself when life isn’t worth living anymore, and that a woman should have the right to euthanize her unborn child up to a point, when that child’s life won’t be worth living.

Paul likes the 2nd amendment or the right to bear arms. I do too, but see no need to own concealable handguns. Or better stated, I think concealable handguns increase the odds that someone else will take away my right to life and liberty as much or more than they will protect me.

But at one point Paul expressed his belief in liberty and freedom and defended his position as a libertarian conservative and I found myself in total agreement. The point he made is this: Traditional governments, for about as far back as you want to go, were tyrannical. This experiment of Democracy in the United States is a relatively young idea—the entire concept is liberal or progressive when compared to ways of old. So even genuine conservatives as opposed to the Neo-con variety that have hijacked our country are progressively minded people, believers in freedom and individual rights. The ideas Ron Paul wants to conserve were not so long ago the ideas of radically minded progressive thinkers.

The real debate in this country then should not be so much about left or right, but about authoritarian verses libertarian thinking, because politicians of both left and right are capable of migrating either direction. Socialist governments like the old Soviet Union or the Nazi party in Germany became authoritarian in nature. And capitalist countries can also become authoritarianistic, as recent times have shown us here in the United States.

It is for that reason that I find candidates on both sides of the aisle I like, and also find candidates on both sides of the aisle I disagree with.

To me it’s like the lesson of the ring in the Lord of the rings trilogy. Those hungry to possess power, or the ring, will be corrupted by it. It is only someone desiring to destroy that power that can and will withstand the temptation to abuse it.

Thank whoever wrote the law for term limits.

I see people like Rudy Giuliani, John McCain, Hillary Clinton, Barak Obama, and John Edwards as people desiring power. Almost salivating over it. Bush also falls into this category. All like the idea of a strong executive branch, and whether they realize it or not, would succumb to the lure of the ring. They may honestly believe they can use that power to make the world a better place. I don’t think so.

It is only those that wish to decrease the power and scope of the federal government—in particular that of the office of the presidency, that are worthy of the office—those that truly want to put power back into the hands of the people.

I think we have two candidates that are determined to do this: Ron Paul of the Republican Party and Mike Gravel of the Democratic Party.

I don’t suppose either has much of a chance of winning, but both have my support, for whatever it is worth.

There are things I like about some of the other candidates. Dennis Kucinich seems an honorable and compassionate man; I share his dislike for war and liars, but for some reason, he seems hungry for the office (I could be wrong about him). Bill Richardson has the best credentials of any of the announced candidates, but he too seems eager for the mantle.

I live in Texas, so my vote in the general election means nothing. Whoever wins the Republican nomination will win the general election and 100% of the electoral votes, so I’ll probably register as a Republican and vote for Ron Paul. Call it a protest vote.

Some of the rest of you may be in a position where your vote matters.

We have something very real at stake here. Are we going to continue this experiment in Democracy, where the people have a say, or are we to revert back to tyranny, where an all-powerful government stares over our shoulders and dictates every move?

Your most important choice in the upcoming election may not be left or right, Democrat or Republican, but instead a choice between liberty and tyranny. Between freedom and oppression.

Choose wisely.

The most important question we may ask of our candidates is not what they will do as president, but instead, why is it they want the office.


Don August 18, 2007 - 3:47pm
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Did he expand much on his position re: abortion? Specifically, if life starts at conception, would he like abortion to then be illegal? If he supports removing the right to control your own body from 50% of the US population, then, personally, I don't see how he can claim to be on the side of liberty. I'm not a single-issue voter, but... this is a big issue.

Bolo August 18, 2007 - 4:03pm

Paul is anti-abortion. As a strict constitutionalist, his saving grace would come in belief that it would not be his job as president to decide the matter. I think I have heard him say he believes the decision should be made at the state level.

I personally will not defend all of Paul's positions, because I do not share all of his beliefs.

There was a time when men thought they had committed some grievous sin because they spread their "seed" on the ground when they jacked off, like it was some horrible waste of life. Churches taught that contraception was an evil thing (I believe the Catholic church still does). This thinking probably goes back to a time when tribes were in competition with each other and having lots of children was considered good for the whole. (And no, I don't think that every word in the Bible was inspired by God. Men wrote the thing and they had agendas.)

In an era of worldwide overpopulation and a planet stretched to the limit for natural resouces, we don't need to encourage people to have more children. If anything we should be encouraging reduction of our numbers.

I did inhale.

Don August 19, 2007 - 1:06am

I don't really see that as a saving grace at all, to be honest. I know you're not defending all of Ron Paul's positions, but I'm just going to explain my reasoning on this:

"Let the states decide" sounds nice because it means that decisions will not be made on the federal level and thus will be "closer to the people." But there are certain rights that must be universally enforced, and the right to control your own body is certainly one of them. At least, for something as fundamental as reproduction--there's a bit more to it when it comes to things like drug use (for example, I do think that crystal meth should be illegal, but not pot, alcohol, tobacco, etc.--I'm not a 100% absolutist.)

In any case, the history of appeals to "leave it to the states" isn't exactly bright. Most recently, gay marriage has been confronted with this motto. Couples that get civil unions are now finding that employers aren't always willing to recognize them. And going to a state that does not recognize a union/marriage means that if a partner gets hurt and medical decisions need to be made by someone else, the other partner will be denied that right. Leaving it to the states is curtailing their liberties. Going back even further, well... slavery was defended under the motto of "states rights" too.

Similar things will happen with abortion--not everyone who lives in an anti-abortion state will be able to travel to a state that provides them... and that's when the clothes hangers start coming out again and women start dying because they happen to live in the wrong place at the wrong time.

I know you're not defending his positions and I'm not attacking you at all--just Ron Paul. However, I am questioning just how much on the side of liberty Sen. Paul is. In my view, having the right to get an abortion secured at the federal level is a step toward liberty--it is the opposite of government encroachment. But "leave it to the states" are weasel words that passively allow authoritarianism to take root.

Bolo August 19, 2007 - 3:02am

Scott Ritter writes repudiation not impeachment ,hits on this same line of thinking, we have to chop down and repudiate all that has gone on with this presidency, not just impeach or vote in a new president that will just carry on with the same program.

I hear your voice in what is at stake, liberty or some form of uber control coming our way in some very real terms.

Thinking of what may help slow or repudiate this trend, looking at some economic history of some sorts of unregulated trade that lets economics run its course like water finding its own level. Nothing in my lifetime has run without some sort of governmental input of some sort. So, there’s no real model to judge from for me, however there are some almost examples explained below.

The Libertarian siren song is mighty tempting at times, however as I look back at how my Grandfather was able to prosper as a truck farmer by using public roads to transport to market during the depression in the 30’s , directly impacts my wellbeing today. The pure Libertarian sounds good, but opens the door to economic Darwinism if the Fed is left in control of the greenbacks.

The only time that there was a type of Libertarian action that I can recall was in the pot trade in the 60’s thru the 70's and is still in action today to limited extents (oh yes the Emerald Triangle action is bigger, but this is not import export). With large import cartels/night government and such stepping in with their own brand of control, the day of freewheeling privateers is growing rarer in the import export end of the free enterprise system.
Want to go into business without need of permits, government permissions, employee taxes to pay, profit taxes to pay, import or export licenses, and all that stuff it takes to open the doors for a daylight business; then dealing dope is one of the choices that await. There are the obvious controlling pit falls, death by unscrupulous suppliers/buyers, getting ripped off by Johnny Law, or sent to prison, or combinations of all three. And if you choose to deal in the powders, tars, and crystals then you are a part of some very deadly sad goings on, and your perception of the devil may just come for you.

Adding to the repression angle, a local Northern Nevada/California commentator by the name of Travus T. Hipp was busted today. Travus is an old time hand at ruffling feathers in this region, and has spoken out against Tyranny on the radio. This bust is a political one. Radio commentator arrested on drug charges Travus was only guilty of speaking his mind on the Radio. The Lion County Sheriff spent over a year to bust Mr Hipp for 4 ounces of pot, while there are major meth labs running in the sage brush that makes up most of Lion County.

"The president's job is to think not only about today, but tomorrow"
george bush delivers deep insights in a speach given on
April 19, 2007
Tipp City High School
Tipp City, Ohio

Peter C August 18, 2007 - 8:13pm

although he can get a little wordy.

And I'm breathing much better knowing that they got that 70 year old man with four ounces of weed and an inoperational .25 automatic off of the streets. Or out of his home. Whatever.

Goddamned terrorist.

I did inhale.

Don August 19, 2007 - 2:33pm

What does that mean? And since when do humans give a damn about "life". The question is, when does humanity begin and what constitutes moral standing? In other words, what is it about humans that requires us to act ethically toward them, and at what point in the development of a fetus does it gain this status?

The question has never been as simple as "when does life begin?"

luciftias August 18, 2007 - 9:01pm

responds to my requests of him, makes requests of his own, and complains when he feels aggrieved. That makes him a whole lot closer to a "person" than any fetus, or even a newborn baby, ever was. My cat enjoys a certain number of rights in my home, and I think a human who can match his level of participation in society should have basic human rights too.

But moral proscriptions against destroying a fetus are not about higher principles of life and creation. They are about the basest manipulation of power-- whether it be the power of men over women (which is what's in it for the Catholics) or the power of conservatives to hog the microphone of political discourse (which is what's in it for the Republicans).

chalo August 18, 2007 - 10:38pm

...that only those who desire power will try hard enough at gaining it to succeed. It's my belief that that's what "Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's" essentially means.

There are no saints in politics. And the ones who try to be saintly (even if only briefly) are laughed out of office for being ineffectual wimps (Jimmy Carter).

This experiment of Democracy in the United States is a relatively young idea... Not at all. Our democracy starts with the parlimentary (democratic) part of the English system, and adds in the models of Athenian and Iriquois systems, which date back a long, long time. Some anthropologists and even animal behaviorists will argue that democracy is a perfectly natural phenomenon. The only thing experimental about it was applying it at the scale of US colonies, since "pure" democracies tend to be at much smaller scale (just as we have successful "communist" systems at the scale of Amish settlements).

I'm a bit uncomfortable with using even small-l libertarian as the opposite to authoritarian, simply because large-l Libertarians have repeatedly proved themselves utterly untrustworthy in supporting anti-authoritarian principles. I'll certainly agree that authoritarian vs non-authoritarian line is more important than any Left vs Right line, because the former is a real division, while the latter redraws itself all the time.

So I'll support the candidate who most convincingly supports the principle of "common good", vote out any Congresscritter who is dishonest or corrupt, and hope that the Constitutional principles of separation and balance of powers prevents any asshole with a hardon for power from getting off on it.

It hasn't worked all that well lately, but most Americans are only motivated to vote by economic issues, and the smoke and mirrors games on that one are about over.

Gordon August 18, 2007 - 11:42pm

Perhaps libertarian has become one of those loaded words. Like the word liberal (which I take to mean tolerant and many conseratives would use to mean Communist). I use the term libertarian because that's what I have seen defined on political aptitude tests as the opposite of authoritarian.

I'd have to say that large scale socialists have also proven themselves to be untrustworthy in supporting anti-authoritarian principles.

For instance today's Fidel Castro, or tomorrow's Hugo Chavez. They talk a game of doing for the people, while all the while stifling dissent, punishing opposition and cementing their hold on power for generations to come. Before long, the state line is the only line.

Check out Mike Gravel's platform. He goes so far as bringing important issues to a vote by the public. Maybe that does disqualify him as an effective politician. But not with me.

I did inhale.

Don August 19, 2007 - 12:27am

I use the term libertarian because that's what I have seen defined on political aptitude tests as the opposite of authoritarian.

I've discovered that some of those political aptitude tests, especially "The World's Smallest Political Quiz," slant their questions toward the libertarian side and present it as directly opposed to authoritarianism in all cases. Whether or not this is true in reality... I don't know. They certainly try to claim it, but I've seen enough people claiming to be libertarians defending oppression and corporatism to seriously doubt it. Maybe its true in theory though... :)

Bolo August 19, 2007 - 3:07am

...that the reporting you see on Hugo Chavez is extremely slanted.

The TV station he 'closed down' was directly part of the coup plot against him - they turned broadcast directly over to the coup before Chavez had even been chased from office. And he didn't yank their satellite or cable licenses, only their broadcast license. And no one is in jail.

He delivers long harangues and beats his chest, but what he does is actually quite mild. He is trying to draw the 85% of the population that has been the underclass for hundreds of years into the political life of the country, where they have had exactly no voice for all this time.

He has not asked to be made President for life. He has asked for a repeal of term limits. He has asked for the power to make certain changes by decree, but that's hardly unusual in Venezuala, where the Constitution makes change very difficult. Many past Presidents have asked for and been granted the same powers.

Most indy reporters will tell you that anti-Chavez talk is freer in Venezuala than anti-Bush talk in this country. The problem is that the 15% of his country that has owned it lock, stock and barrel feels that they are being robbed when they're supposed to share their nation's wealth with those other people that live there. And that 15% has very good ties with the wealthy in this country who are beginning to experience similar fears.

Gordon August 19, 2007 - 8:46pm

As a teenager I lived and grew up in South America and know full well how the oligarchy dominates and oppresses.

But as suggested by the model in Orwell's Animal Farm, I also know that the swine offering alternatives often end up wearing the same clothes.

Both sides of the argument slant their stories. A close friend of mine was dispached by GQ magazine to write an article on Venezuela last year. The magazine did not publish what he had to say (even though by contract they had to pay his expenses and for the story as well).

Why not?

Because he called the wealthy elites pieces of crap, Chavez their only alternative, and then went on to say that the most of the country has come to a standstill, sitting around waiting on the next government hand-out while the infrastructure crumbles. Soon everyone except for a small per-centage of the new elite will live in squalid conditions.

A brother still living and working in Ecuador tells me he hears stories of middle class Venzuelans that have fled the country for lack of opportunities.

You want to live in Venezuela? Help yourself.

Michael Ruppert thought it was the place to be so he wrote off the United States, converted his assets to gold and went there.

A year later he quietly slipped back into the United States, penniless, sick as hell, and glad to be back in the "land of oppression".

And the boatloads of people fleeing to Cuba...

I did inhale.

Don August 21, 2007 - 10:38am

Democratic presidential hopefuls will participate in a debate tomorrow morning at 8am on George Stephanopolos's ABC morning show.

I did inhale.

Don August 19, 2007 - 1:16am

about what candidates represent? Ron Paul isn't electable, nor was Nader. I would find it hard to support a candidate that strayed from my values but eventually I would vote for the candiate I believed could win. Of all the candidates, it strikes me that Edwards comes the closest to being able to return America to Locke and John Stewart Mill's concept of goodness, which is a philosophy that overall I would not feel unduly compromised by voting for him.

Maybe if we listen really hard to tomorrow debates we can find a candidate that we can support that has a half-assed chance of winning because it's imperative that Republicans be defeated.

canuck August 19, 2007 - 5:14am

and the state of our nation that honorable men aren't electable.

I did inhale.

Don August 19, 2007 - 8:52am

(Whose idea was it that sheep can herd themselves?)

Pick your poison and watch them drive this thing into the ground.

I did inhale.

Don August 19, 2007 - 10:53am

I have hunch that the big wedge issue this go around is going to be the imigration stuff. It's to Rovain for the Rethugs to pass up.

"The president's job is to think not only about today, but tomorrow"
george bush delivers deep insights in a speach given on
April 19, 2007
Tipp City High School
Tipp City, Ohio

Peter C August 19, 2007 - 11:23am

All that effort on Hispanics goes to waste, and they lose the money bags as well. The anti-immigration crowd is very noisy, but I don't think it's anywhere near as big as psuedo populist Lou Dobbs would like you to believe.

Gordon August 19, 2007 - 8:26pm

the anti-globalization/anti-Illuminati crowd fully endorses Ron Paul above all others. youtube videos show the more mainstream candidates in a light which casts doubt as to their allegance to people or their corporate contributors. We know the immigration laws have been purposefully not enforced by an administration loaded with corporate interests in addition to being the main promoters of the North American Union. The mainstream candidates appear to have an ideology and positions as outdated and outmoded as the Lawrence Welk Show so I am more inclined to take the "conspiracy" theories of a shadow government seriously.
All of this though leaves me with the thought, should I buy chlorine tablets at clearance discount for next summers pool season or not?

Lasthorseman August 19, 2007 - 8:30pm

A prime market for libertarian ideas are the highly competent and socially disaffected. AKA nerds who always got picked last and picked on. It's easy for us to self-righteously ignore the massive social investment made in us and say, "I did it all myself".

Forget it, Jake - it's AmnesiaTown

Tonsure Wimple August 21, 2007 - 2:53am

are heavily involved in their communities. Much moreso in fact than socialists that expect the government to do everything for them.

Case in point: The Belmont Texas volunteer fire department. Privately funded, everyone in the community shows up for twice yearly gatherings and donates generously. Many members are on call for emergencies and work without pay.

And another: Last week the transmission on my pickup went out near Gonzales, Texas. I was able to coast into the parking lot of the local auction. I called my wife on the cell phone who happened to be in Austin at the time, an hour away. So I decided to walk (against traffic) the two blocks to a convenience store on the outskirts of town. Three people stopped to ask if I needed a ride or assistance before I could get to the store and back.

(# 1 on the list of private donations to charity as percentage of income by state, Mississippi. Last on the list of donations to charity as a percentage of income by state, Massachusets. You do things your way, we'll do them our way.)

Many of these people are also involved in their communities through churches and donate time and money to a myriad of local charities. There's no such a thing as a homeless person anywhere near these parts.

No one in these communities wants to do away with public schools or county hospitals or shut down social programs for the poor.

What they don't like is the growing encroachment of government into every facet of their lives.

I did inhale.

Don August 21, 2007 - 8:42am

... that conservatism brought to its natural if not extreme conclusion produces sociopathic selfishness and criminality.

Libertarians are strange beasts. Most of 'em that I know don't like anything at anytime and have no problem telling you about it.

ww August 21, 2007 - 9:43am

you offer us two bad choices.

Vote. Ear-ache on this side. Tooth-ache on the other.

I did inhale.

Don August 21, 2007 - 11:02am

Obviously you don't know that Libertarians are against imperialstic endeavors, nation building and foreign entanglements. People like Ron Paul would greatly reduce the scope and description of our military, returning it to a strictly defensive posture.

Individual liberties should not be extended to corporations. Libertarians stress individual accountability and would like nothing better than to go after people that hide behind corporate cloaks to prey on and derive profit from the people by employing deceptive devices.

What I see in the modern Republican party is in no way in line with the true conservative platform. Instead it's a radical form of fascism, where government enables and protects huge multinational corporations that use the people for grease to lubricate the gears of the machine.

Anne Coulter is an apologist for the Republican Party. For rich white oppressors. Period. Not welcome in my world. (Like a child molestor offering candy to a kid.)

I will not deny that many ignorant southerners are easy prey for these bastards (Republican fascists), They use the right words, wrap them in a flag, top them with a patriotic song or two, and then screw them in the ass.

I did inhale.

Don August 21, 2007 - 10:57am

"...socialists that expect the government to do everything for them"

I'm sorry, but I just don't know anybody like this. I think it may be a rarely seen if not entirely mythical creature.

ww August 21, 2007 - 9:21am

Left, right, left, right, liberal, conservative...

I am talking authoritarian, non-authoritarian.

Amish people practice what amounts to communism in their own communities, but deeply resent a national government interfering in every aspect of their lives. They would hate life in a Communist country. I'd call them libertarians.

In regards to conservativism: I am a conservative. I want to conserve ideas (most of which came from liberal thinkers) that made this country a better place to be. I also am a progressive. I want to change unfair and oppressive laws dressed up as solutions when if fact they are self-serving tools of the state and its minions.

If you want to entrust yourself to a bunch of jack-booted, rifle-toting goons dressed in black with ski-masks, or stand in some line waiting on some souless beaureacrat for your food ration card, only to be rejected because you forgot to tell them when you last had sex on the ten page form you had to fill out then go right ahead.

Just allow me the opporunity not to join you.

I did inhale.

Don August 21, 2007 - 10:14am

...is very good at political history. This piece on true vs pseudo conservatives is a good starting point. Don's right: the original idea of 'conservative' (be very cautious in changing social institutions, because stability is very important) is something even this damn-near-socialist can believe.

All that aside, I'll note that here in northern New England we have some unusual ideas about "public" that date back to colonial days. For example, our (extremely nice) library and my son's (very good) High School are both "public" (in the sense that they are open to anyone who lives here - actually, the library's open to anyone), and "private" in the sense that they have nothing to do with the government. All our fire dept's are volunteer. All of these institutions get money from the local towns, but it's all in the form of gifts, and since the towns are run by town meetings (no mayor, town meetings choose selectmen, set the budget, decide which roads need repair, or which intersections might need a streetlight...) it's all extremely democratic. In fact, it's almost libertarian socialist.

Finally, I do not accept the idea that "handouts" create dependency. If people are sitting around not doing anything it's because the society is dysfunctional. In which case hunger will only fuel crime and violence. Better to think about why people think they can't join in, or why they feel unsafe in trying things.

Gordon August 21, 2007 - 11:35am

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