Damnit

Torture video. Prepare yourself. This ain't nice.

Pisses me right off. I don't know who is doing this or why. But if any member of our government is involved, even passively, then he should be put in prison. We're in a fight for the soul of our nation. The day we allow this in our name, we are dead. Spiritually dead.

From Sean-Paul: This video was hard for me to watch. Very hard. It ain't easy. But I'm with Ian on this: it needs to be seen. People need to be disturbed. We're far too complacent (meaning me) when it comes to the MCA, which I posted on the day before yesterday that got literally NO comments. The repeal of the MCA will repeal stuff like this video. So, if you are wondering why this video is relevant there is your answer. Believe me, I don't feel happy-go-lucky about this; I don't like this; It makes me uncomfortable--very--but damnit, sometimes I have to take risks. And I am glad Don posted it and Ian pointed it out to me. If we've made you angry that means we're doing our job, which is to comfort the disturbed and disturb the comforted. ~spk

Ian - there is no evidence this is torture done by Americans, or sanctioned by America. However while this specific torture may not be American sanctioned, but America does torture. And a lot of people seem to think it's ok. Depending on the survey, sometimes an absolute majority. I think they should see what it is they think is no big deal.

Video after the jump.

To play the video, right click and select the 'play' option. Repeat to stop it.

Update: The video came from here. For more information on it read the comments to the IC post here.

Sorry for the delay getting the information.

Don November 30, 2006 - 4:44pm

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Ya know,

the organs to which the Inquisitors are causing severe pain are, to me, quite major.

If it looks like Torture, and sounds like Torture.....who is BushCo to authorize - hell, prescribe - this in our name?

Rick November 30, 2006 - 3:43pm

The President Sanctions Tourture

This is U.S. Government Sanctioned torture, runs right up to the President of the United States. George Bush allows this to happen. If it is not torture, I’m sure the President would send his daughters for a trial run, and do a book report on the experience.

While in CostCo just a few hours ago looking at the book section, right there on the end of the book isle, where all the hot released books are there were two books displayed taking up the whole display. One of the books was Culture Warrior by Bill O’Reilly, and the other was Ghost Plane by Stephen Grey. Ghost Plane is all about the kidnapping, transportation, torture, and illegal imprisonment of suspects. I was glad to see someone at CostCo would order and display Ghost Plane right next to a creep’s book. So, I had to buy Ghost Plane for a lot of different reasons, mainly to support the writer Stephen Grey, but also run up sales numbers for the book through CostCo.

I can’t state strongly enough that people buy books from people that are doing the hard and dangerous work of bringing this information forward.

"Takes a bucket of blood for a barrel of oil"

Steven Bruton

Peter C November 30, 2006 - 4:15pm

Ghost Plane

I bought Torture Taxi a few minutes after I heard about it on the Al Franken Show a few weeks ago. He interviewed one of the authors, and I was amazed at how they tracked the story down. Haven't had time to read it, though. Check it out.

I can't watch the video. Torture gives me nightmares. After seeing fictional depictions or reading fictional accounts of torture, I have been seriously disturbed, usually for several weeks. As for a candid video, I really don't think I can do it. This doesn't stop me from thinking about it and speaking out against it much of the time, though. It's the sickest inhumanity, and that goes for animal and domestic abuse, too.

I totally agree that we've got to support the people working to raise awareness of this sickness.

Stop torture today.

klevenstein November 30, 2006 - 11:00pm

Does anyone find this surprising?

We have a culture built on violent behavior.

Read the plot lines of the shows featured on prime time network TV. Consider the nature of the best-selling computer games.

Wé're up to our armpits in gore and it's naive to think that tolerance, love and peace will prevail in that environment.

Petronius November 30, 2006 - 6:30pm

Where and when is this video from?

Why don't you give any information about the video?

neophyte November 30, 2006 - 6:40pm

See the update.

^{We have lost international support not because foreigners hate our values but because they believe we are repudiating them and behaving contrary to them.}

Sean Paul Kelley November 30, 2006 - 6:44pm

See my comment below

- EOM

Escher Sketch November 30, 2006 - 10:20pm

It may or may not be

It may or may not be American sanctioned. The reason we front paged it was so that people could see what torture looks and sounds like. It's a lot harder to make excuses about it then.

Ian Welsh November 30, 2006 - 6:46pm

video

I sent this video to Haitam in Bahrain for tranlation and for distribution in Palestein.
This has to stop!!!!!!
If Bush and Cheney approve this, they should be put through this so they can understand what they have approved. Wrap the poker in $1,000 bills so they can relate.

_{repressive governments mix administrative clumsiness & inefficiency with authoritarian tendencies.}

kimmy November 30, 2006 - 8:58pm

for S-P...

only reason I hadn't commented in your MCA article was that (I thought), there had been another article on it soon after it passed the House, and I'd commented on it then....indeed, it was the reason I changed my Sig to what I have now.

As for the video, stomach-turning. I can't tell if the torturers are American, though (can't make out the talking)...If they *are*, then keep this video archived for the Hague. It might be an idle hope, but I'll keep on wishing that the main minds of this regime are turned over for trial to the World Court....

-5.75,-4.05 "I am in earnest; I will not equivocate; I will not excuse; I will not retreat a single inch; and I will be heard."
William Lloyd Garrison
US abolitionist & editor (1805 - 1879)

justadood November 30, 2006 - 9:07pm

Land in Paraguay for Hiding Out

There has been an unconfirmed report that the Bush family has purchased a 100,000 acre ranch in Paraguay. Paraguay does not extradite, as far as I know, however Paraguay is signatory to the State Parties of the International Criminal Court. Could this be a future hiding place for ordering Torture. Torture is unforgivable, anyone who does this knows what they are doing. Anyone who says they were ordered by U.S. Government entities is guilty also, no one gets a pass. Any contractors who were hired go to jail and the Companies that were contracted out to do this have their Incorporation Papers pulled and the CEO's go to Jail, and the corporation is disbanded and banded. Anyone in the chain of Command or Contracting Companies Chain of Command goes to jail. If a foreign country helped out with torture, then NO more aid, period. And the Congressional Slime that voted this in, shame shame shame, you are traitors and need to be tried for treason.

The best thing that a new Congress can do is sign on to the State Parties of the International Criminal Court and let the decider veto it. If the Dems get a prez in 2008 sign on the State Parties of the International Criminal Court and send those scum to the Hague.
This whole torture thing and anyone involved needs to answer to the world. Do not give me any crap about others doing this. Yes other governments do it. However, we have a choice not to torture.

"Takes a bucket of blood for a barrel of oil"

Steven Bruton

Peter C November 30, 2006 - 9:42pm

The next President along

will inherit a CIA that has amassed considerable experience in extraordinary rendition to bypass inconvenient jurisdictional red tape.

Hey, I'm just sayin'.

Escher Sketch November 30, 2006 - 9:51pm

I saw that too and it is really

weird.

^{We have lost international support not because foreigners hate our values but because they believe we are repudiating them and behaving contrary to them.}

Sean Paul Kelley November 30, 2006 - 10:14pm

I figured

Paraguay would be close enough and far away enough from the Barrick Gold Mine ;)

Tina November 30, 2006 - 10:36pm

The comments on the ICH thread

seem to have reached consensus (1, 2, 3, 4) that the dialogue is Egyptian-accented.

A rough version of what's being said seems to be that the torturer is mockingly asking if the victim likes it, and the victim is saying please forgive me pasha [an honorific, like "sir"] , I won't do it again, Allah be with you.

Escher Sketch November 30, 2006 - 10:18pm

Thank you for wading through all of that. eom

^{We have lost international support not because foreigners hate our values but because they believe we are repudiating them and behaving contrary to them.}

Sean Paul Kelley November 30, 2006 - 10:32pm

Direct link

http://informationclearinghouse.info/article15740.htm

I did inhale.

Don December 13, 2006 - 4:09pm

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