Seymour Hersh - Oct 30 address at McGill University


written for the McGill Daily by Martin Lukacs

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"If Americans knew the full extent of U.S. criminal conduct, they would receive returning Iraqi veterans as they did Vietnam veterans, Hersh said.

“In Vietnam, our soldiers came back and they were reviled as baby killers, in shame and humiliation,” he said. “It isn’t happening now, but I will tell you – there has never been an [American] army as violent and murderous as our army has been in Iraq.”
Hersh came out hard against President Bush for his involvement in the Middle East.

“In Washington, you can’t expect any rationality. I don’t know if he’s in Iraq because God told him to, because his father didn’t do it, or because it’s the next step in his 12-step Alcoholics Anonymous program,” he said.

Hersh hinted that the responsibility for the invasion of Iraq lies with eight or nine members of the administration who have a “neo-conservative agenda” and dictate the U.S.’s post-September 11 foreign policy.


Chickadee November 2, 2006 - 10:15am

The military exists to fullfill orders. When an unethical order comes down the pipe, soldiers end up stuck between a rock and a hard place.

Going after the weary soldiers who have already been grossly abused by the government is cowardice, especially from those that are also unwilling to stand against the same government, or take responsibility for their own thoughts or actions.

There have been so many poor policy descisions, it's too easy to see that vilifying soldiers as a whole is all too blatant a scapegoatism.

NateTG November 2, 2006 - 6:33pm

Excerpt from Time

Exclusive: A military dog handler convicted for his role in the prisoner abuse scandal has been ordered back to help train the country's police
By ADAM ZAGORIN
Posted Thursday, Nov. 02, 2006

As if the Abu Ghraib prisoner abuse scandal weren't bad enough for America's image in the Middle East, now it may appear to much of the world that one of the men implicated in the scandal is returning to the scene of the crime.

The U.S. military tells TIME that one of the soldiers convicted for his role in Abu Ghraib, having served his sentence, has just been sent back to serve in Iraq.

Sgt. Santos Cardona, 32, a military policeman from Fullerton, Calif., served in 2003 and 2004 at Abu Ghraib as a military dog handler. After pictures of Cardona using the animal to threaten Iraqis were made public, he was convicted in May of dereliction of duty and aggravated assault, the equivalent of a felony in the U.S. civilian justice system. The prosecution demanded prison time, but a military judge instead imposed a fine and reduction in rank. Though Cardona was not put behind bars, he was also required to serve 90 days of hard labor at Ft. Bragg, N.C.

Before Cardona boarded a plane at Pope Air Force Base this week for the long flight to his unit's Kuwait staging area, he told close friends and family that he dreaded returning to Iraq. One family member described him as "depressed," though stoic about his fate. According to a close friend with whom Cardona spoke just before his departure, the soldier is fearful that he remains a marked man, forever linked to the horrors of Abu Ghraib — he appears in at least one al-Qaeda propaganda video depicting the abuse — and that he and comrades serving with him in Iraq could become targets for terrorists. To make matters worse, his 23rd MP Company has been selected to train Iraqi police, which have been the target of frequent assassination attempts and, according to US intelligence are heavily infiltrated by insurgents. Attempts to reach Cardona directly were unsuccessful.

But Cardona’s physical well-being is not the only issue of concern connected to his transfer. According to former senior U.S. military officers and others interviewed by TIME, sending a convicted abuser back to Iraq to train local police sends the wrong signal at a time when the U.S. is trying to bolster the beleagured government in Baghdad, where the horrors of Abu Ghraib are far from forgotten. "If news of this deployment is accurate, it represents appallingly bad judgment," says retired Gen. Barry McCaffrey, who commanded a division in the first Gulf War. "The symbolic message perceived in Iraq will likely be that the U.S. is simply insensitive to the abuse of their prisoners."

Chickadee November 3, 2006 - 1:07am

According to former senior U.S. military officers and others interviewed by TIME, sending a convicted abuser back to Iraq to train local police sends the wrong signal at a time when the U.S. is trying to bolster the beleagured government in Baghdad, where the horrors of Abu Ghraib are far from forgotten..

Putting him in direct contact with Iraqis is a freaking great idea after he's been sentenced. Is there a pool yet on his estimated remaining lifespan?

I offer no opinion on the justice of this. I simply think if you're going to give the guy a potential death sentence you should do it legally.

Escher Sketch November 3, 2006 - 10:41am

Great journalists MUST tell the truth as they see it, however painful it may be. Seymour Hersh is one of our greatest living legends of journalism. Stuff gets through to him that others will never see because people know of his integrity and pursuit of the truth.
Our military men and women are very unfairly caught the insanity of a war where one could argue every American death has been unnecessary. When an IED goes off and blows up a vehicle, everyone is transformed into a state of savage compulsion to retaliate and annihilate every possible enemy, anyone not wearing a US uniform, in a frenzy of retaliatory fire. The smoke clears and a soccer team and spectators lay dead, slaughtered, massacred.
That picture of insanity has been brought to us by Cheney, Rummy, and a few others with GW sitting as if on the front of MAD magazine explaining that he has a classified mission for some Democrats. What must we do to stop the insanity and restrain such incompetence from ever coming into power in the US again?

Channing
Ventura CA USA

Powder Monkey November 3, 2006 - 1:52am

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